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Child circumcision to be banned in Denmark?
Yigal Rom
Published: 20.11.08, 10:02
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91. # 24 Some gentiles are circumcised
Petra ,   usa   (11.25.08)
those w/ higher IQs and also knowing that it reduces STDs and other medical problems. Besides, the uncircumcised have ugly weenies.
92. # 22 Said, African males circumcised by age 13.
Petra ,   usa   (11.25.08)
They remember Ishmael, poor guy, 13 when circumcised. Jews have it right, 8 days in honor of Adam formed by G-d on the 8th day.
93. Petra , in the USA % of circumcised
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.26.08)
non Jews is very high . Wikipedia for the stats . It reduces also the risks of HIV infection , but has to be accompagnied by other mesures too .
94. Denmark shame on you !
Yosef Holy ,   Zakopane, Poland   (11.26.08)
95. The 8th Day
Dr. Rosenberg ,   EY   (11.27.08)
Did you know that clotting factors in the blood spike on the 8th day? They are not nearly as high on the 7th or the 9th days! How would we have known that back in the times of our Avos? Clearly the same G-d who designed the human body also gave us the proper instructions on how to treat it. FYI: http://www.aish.com/literacy/lifecycle/bris_milah_beautiful_or_barbaric$.asp
96. circumcision is evil
Gregory ,   los angeles usa   (11.30.08)
once you are 18 years old go ahead and circumcise. But we are talking about babies rights. IF the procedure was so healthy Eu countries like France,Germany, Switzerland,Italy the list is endless and what about the Japan. It has absolutely nothing to do with health.it is child abuse. Only in the USA 60% of babies are circumcised because doctors like to make $500 in 2 minutes. Now it is not even recommeneded many lawsuits. Also prior to Abraham Jews did not circumcise. Now this also applies to Muslims who perforn circumcision on baby boys. Enough. In the New Testament Paul advised up not to circumcise. Be a Jewish boy go to temple eveyrday and noone will check out your penis.
97. Worldwide ban
Wilfred Ascott ,   Johannesburg, South   (12.06.08)
I congratulate the Danish Government on considering this ban. This barbaric practice should be banned across the globe. It is a violation of human rights to remove parts of a childs penis.
98. Denmark to ban circumcision
Joel Chappel ,   France   (12.07.08)
I don't think Denmark's decision to consider banning circumcision has any antisemit or antimuslim root. The National Council for Children & Ethics Council arguments sound rational. Facts are : Circumcision is irreversible, for both sexs, and yet it is only banned for girls. That's maybe the only valid comparison between these 2 customs, but that's a key argument. I'm sorry Denmark's jewish religious authorities seem only to react on such an emotional & irrational way. Such a law, if adopted, would have a very limited impact on jewish and muslim communities anyway. Some jews already practice a "Brit Shalom" on the 8th day, involving no circumcision. And I suppose a more symbolic ritual could be performed on the 8th day, "Hatafat Dam Brit" like... Anyway, the Brit Milah can already be delayed for health reasons until a non-religious authority (doctor...) deems the child healthy enough. Where's the problem if the Brit Milah has to be delayed during 15 years ? For Muslims, the age for circumcision varies greatly. Actually, waiting 15 years would only change family or local traditions. This law would indeed require only adjustments for both religions. Light years away from a ban sentence...
99. #42 IMHO opinion, your position is irrelevant
Joel ,   France   (12.08.08)
This covenant is just for jews. You are Christian. In Corinthians 7:19, Paul says : "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters." Circumcision is just useless for Christians.
100. anti circumcision in Denmark.
Gregory Tal ,   Los Angeles Ca USA   (12.09.08)
This is not about religion. it is about human rights . What about the babies the unnecessary pain and less pleasure later on in life. The head of the penis is supposed to be covered and be moist. Just like a woman vagina. Jewish law states if your mother is Jewish you are Jewish. whats the rush? Noone will check out in temples whether you are cut or not. They cut a lot of skin around 1 inch but its folded so thats a lot. Jews always scream discrimination if you disagree with them. Hooray for the government of Denmark.
101. we activists-against circumcision
Gregory Tal ,   los angeles ca   (12.13.08)
Our point is wait until the child is 18 years old.. Once you ard an adult you can pierce your body cut your ears,foreskin .tattoos. its ok for an adult.. Circumcision does not prevent Aids nor cancer. Otherwise every European country like Gremany ,France Italy etc would all circumcise. The foreskin is not dirty its a lot like the skin that covers female clitoris. What,s next Are you going to circumcise your dogs,elephants,cats wild animals. They seem to do fine without the cruelity of mohels and Doctors to babies. little innocent babies and for no reason. Before Abraham Jews did not circumcise
102. You are absolutely right.
Gregory Tal ,   los angeles ca   (12.16.08)
If Circumcision is so healthy how come in countries like Sweden,France,Germany,Austria,Japan,Italy,Spain and many more they are against circumcision. Now in the USA-Gay males in the 1980s-1999 were cut and got the hiv virus.Most American males that were born in the 1950s -1960s were cut including homosexuals that got the hiv virus. that is because when you have anal sex or vaginal sex without condoms you expose yourself to HIV and other stds, Now as far as phimosis instead of cirucmicision there is a procedure called dorsal slit-they cut a very small section of the foreskin so it would glide smoothly . or a doctor can prescirbe a steroid cream and the foreskin would glide smoothly. Guys we are talking about babies For Christ sake not consenting adults. Sure in the USA doctors enjoy making $500 for the procedure. go to nocircu.com and learn the truth not the propaganda.
103. Denmark-friendly to Jews.
Gregory Tal ,   Los Angeles Ca USA   (12.16.08)
The Danish people during world war 2 saved many jews using fisherman boats to Neutral Sweden. So for this Danish Rabbi mentioning antisemitism shame on you., The Danish want their citizens to choose whether they want to circumcise or not when thye are adulths. My plastic surgeon a Russian man was circumcised as an adult his choice. But for most men the foreskin enhances sex. I like my wet glans its beautiful. God created the penis why cut a perfectly healthy skin especially on children. I was cut loosely by a mohel who left the frenulum intact and a lot of skin on the right side and some of the ridge band. I love my new restored penis its like. having multiple orgasms. For the lady who mentioned the bible is against tattoos. Thats fine but you can tattoo a baby legally the same should apply to circumcision. Also about looks the intact penis looks great and the foreskin is like the branches of a beautiful tree. The smell of foreskin is great. Of cource you should wash your foreskin that is why God created soap. Back to the bible the new testaments Paul tells us not to circumcise it is in Corinthians,Acts and other books. The New Testament is the new Judaism. Judaism that excepts all as children of god. Before Abraham Jews did not circumcise.and please we are only asking for you to wait until your son is an adult. whats the rush?? in my opinion it should be 18 years old and not 15 years old. Shame on your Rabbis for allowing such acts on baby boys. And I salute Denmark for doing the right thing. and the main Rabbi of Denmark shame on you.
104. Foreskin is beautiful
Gregory Tal ,   Los Angeles ca   (12.19.08)
A penis without a foreskin is ugly. who wants an ugly scar? The foreskin is like a beautiful branch. The procedure can be very dangerous and unnecessary. A baby can bleed to death. The mohel or the urologist can end up cutting the glans the head of the penis. in Florida a 13 year old girl found out she was born a boy. But the mohel cut the whole thing out and the hospital performed a sex change . This is wrong. Shame on Israel for not banning circumcision on infants. Once you are 18 years old do what ever you want with your body. What is ti with the Jews when you disagree with them you are an antisemite?
105. YEs but what about babies rights?
Gregory Tal ,   los angeles ca usa   (12.19.08)
Once you are 18 years old and want to be circumcised go ahead and do it. Its the same with tattoos and piercings. 18 years old
106. circumcision ban in Denmark
Miriam Pollack ,   Boulder, CO   (12.27.08)
As the Jewish mother of 2 sons who facilitated their circumcisions 27 and 31 years ago, I am deeply sorry that what I know, I did not know then. We tell ourselves, and then I believed, numerous myths about circumcision: 1) the foreskin is a useless and/or dangerous flap of skin 2) the "procedure" is non-traumatic 3) because infants do not consciously remember the pain, it is inconsequential 4) the Jewish people will disappear without circumcision 5) only anti-Semites would oppose circumcision of all babies None of the above is true. The foreskin has multiple functions including 20,000+ nerve endings whose function is fine touch receptivity. It covers and protects the glans which is designed to be an internal organ analagous to the clitoris. Without its cover, the glans becomes desensitized over time. Thus, circumcision creates a double loss of sensual pleasure, and, particularly, subtle control as a man approaches orgasm. Secondly, trauma can now be quantified. Heart and respiratory rates, cortisol levels, etc. in circumcised infants are extremely high. There are now multiple studies suggesting long term neurological sequellae. The survival of the Jewish people depends on the education and homes we provide for out children. Our girls survive quite well as Jews without genital alteration, and our boys wiil too. Yes, anti-Semites have for ages used circumcision to begin their invalidation of Judaism, so it makes sense for us to deny these bigots any say in defining the terms of our identity. Nevertheless, if we can look honestly at genital alteration, it is a colossal hutzpah to presume that anyone has the right to forcibly remove functional sexual tissue from another human being, particularly if they are young and powerless. Circumcision is part of out ancient cultic life, but it is neither holy nor healthy and must be stopped! For more information see www.nocirc.org
107. Miriam Pollack is 100% correct.
Gregory Tal ,   :ps angeles USA   (12.28.08)
As a human rights issue it tis wrong to cut healthy skin on babies. As a man who restored his foreskin luckily for me the frenulum was intact and have quite a bit of ridge band on the rights side. A lot of sensitiviy I would 30-40% increase in the intensity of orgasms. About Judaism-- The truth is prior to Abraham Jews did not circumcise. Also according to Jewish law if your mother is Jewish you are Jewish. other issues health- THE ONLY THING CIRCUMCISION PREVENTS IS FUNGAL YEAST INFECTIONS. IT DOES NOT PREVENT HIV . HOW COME IN THE USA MALES WHO WERE BORN IN 1950S-1960S WERE FOR THE MOST PART CIRCUMCISED AND STILL GOT HIV. SO ONLY CONDOMS CAN PREVENT STD VD. AS FAR AS CANCER OF THE PENIS I HAVE NEVER MET ANYBODY WITH CANCER OF THE PENIS. MY OPINION IS THAT CIRCMCISION IS THE JEWISH AND ISLAMIC PROPAGANDA. YOU THE RABIBIS PROMOTE TORTURE. IF IT DOES NOT HURT HOW COME BABIES CRY WHEN THEY ARE MUTILATED. SHAME ON YOU. .
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