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Satmar family: No State involvement in son's funeral
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 01.12.08, 14:12
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31. It wasn't Satmar who went to Iran, #7
JewishDragonfly ,   Torrance, CA, USA   (12.01.08)
Satmar communities condemned those who went to Iran. I don't believe they were even tangentially linked to Satmar. They were acting on their own.
32. Dual Citizenship and Being Haredi
Brana Lobel ,   Israel   (12.01.08)
I think that Mashgiach Teitelbaum held dual citizenship which is probably why government representatives wanted to cover him with the Israeli flag. Maybe they knew he was a Satmar and maybe they didn't. One hopes that the family has tried to contact ministry officials without sucess before opening up to the media. This is a terrible tragedy and no time for Jews to be badmouthing each other. The family must be forgiven for speaking in grief. Government representatives need to be more sensitive and knowledgeable. Jews need to unite in grief and this grief especially--the Jews targetted were not targetted because they were Chabad, Haredi, or even secular (unidentified bodies)--they wer targetted because they were Jews--do you angry Jews get it--Chabad House was chosen because it was a Jewish meeting place as the Taj Mahal because it would net upscale Americans--not just those from Sheboygan or Worcester. More light attracts more darkness--let's get the dark out of ourselves, Jews.
33. This Article May Not Make Sense
Brana Lobel ,   Israel   (12.01.08)
According to Ha aretz, Mashgiach Teitelbaum was identified as an American national. News reports indicate that four bodies will be covered with the Israeli flag, and the two non-citizens with tallitot. Four citizens: R and R Holtzberg, Bentzion Chroman, Mrs Orpaz, and two non-citizens, R Teitelbaum and Mrs Rabinovich. If my last post reached YNet, I apologize for any errors. It does not seem that the Israeli government was planning to cover R Teitelbaum with a flag in any event.
34. M , and lawrence , those guys are'nt my brothers
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.01.08)
Good Israeli religious Jews are , and those GOOD ones , even if we don't agree with their lifestyle , we mourn .
35. He wasn't an Israeli national
Chaya ,   Bat Yam   (12.01.08)
So this whole discussion is moot. Actually, I wouldn't want the flag draped over his coffin; cause I'm afraid they would desecrate it.
36. TO # 17 from a Charedi Mancunian living in Israel:)
a Charedi Mancunian   (12.01.08)
I can't believe how heartless you can be. Jewish blood has been spilt here and all some of you are concerned with is whether he has a flag put on his coffin or not. by the way it was neturai karta who went to Iran, Satmar had nothing to do with it. So for all you self hating Jews out there get your facts straight first. Remember they didn't go to Chabad because they were Israeli, they went because they were Jews. TERRORISTS DON'T CHECK FIRST TO SEE WHO AMONGST HIS VICTIMS ARE ZIONISTS OR ORTHODOX BEFORE HE MURDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
37. Re # 17 Zionist Manchester, UK
Ariel Ben Yochanan ,   Kfar Tapuah   (12.01.08)
B"H - Zionist Manchester: "What are they doing living in Israel if they don't belive in the state?" - ABY, Kfar Tapuah: maybe they believe in G-d? "Believing in the State" you know is a non Jewish religion, also known as idol worshipping. The sorry fact is that the Israeli state is not Jewish. Quite the opposite (see "Peace House, Hevron).
38. 14 Why are you all bent out of shape?
Talula ,   Israel   (12.01.08)
The family have clearly expressed that they don't want his burial done by the State of Israel - they don't want the State of Israel's flag draped over his coffin - he wasn't a Zionist - or an Israeli national. So stop sniveling and get a grip.
39. #17
Kim ,   Israel   (12.01.08)
You signed a 'Zionist' but you live in Manchester. Real smart. Not!
40. # 17 Refusing To Defend Jewish
Lawrence tendler ,   zefat Israel   (12.01.08)
Homeland? are you talking about Minister of Defense Barak?
41. #17 Zionist In Manchester?
Lawrence tendler ,   zefat Israel   (12.01.08)
Easy to be a zionist in Manchester is it?
42. tjhank g-d
Ilana   (12.01.08)
I was wondering what I said that was so awful!!
43. Victims from Sahknin Attack Were Anti Zionist Arabs
Moshe ,   Tel Aviv   (12.01.08)
I guess Mother from the North also had a huge problem with the State paying for the funerals and compensation to the Arab Israeli families who lost people in the Sahknin attack. I do not think those people support the State nor had flags on their coiffins either.
44. #5, #7, #8 - more sick comments
Shalom   (12.01.08)
#5 - They don't take any benefits from the government #7 - You are confused with Neturei Karta, who they have ostracized #8 - They did not ask for the body to be flown for free.
45. The Land of Israel is the home of all Jews.
Robert Bernier ,   Tel Aviv   (12.01.08)
The Jewish People have always been made up of different kinds of Jews. We have to make every effort to explain to all Jews that the Land of Israel is their home. Some of them may want to become religiously observant, and some may not - but if this Land cannot be the home of all Jews, then our State will not be able to last. A united Jewish people will not fear anti-Semitism as explained at : http://xrl.us/bju8t
46. WOW we really hate each other. Too bad :(
Nick Sporek ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (12.01.08)
47. Respect Teitelbaum family's wishes
Noam ,   Middle East   (12.01.08)
The Satmar might better be labelled "non-Zionist" or "peacefully anti-Zionist" as despite their opposition to the political structure of Israel, they feel a connection with all Klal Yisrael and do not support violent Jew-hating butches like the traitorous Neturai Karta does. They Israeli Satmar live in a strange arrangmenet but they do not actively seek the destruction of the state or harming of Jews there and abroad (as NK do) and certaintly do not have any love for Arab nationalism or Islamic fanatical murderers. Give the family what they want, its not unreasonable
48. 10 #, Larry ,. can't you see any of the good around you?
Judah ,   Golan Heights,ISRAEL   (12.01.08)
Larry, I hope that things are getting better for you in Safed. I am sure that it is getting pretty cold at night just like it is in the Golan. Sometimes your emails are too extreme. Your last one is an example of this. Of course Israel has drug dealers, prostitutes, pedophiles ect. just like every other Western country. Yet Israel also has amazing scientists, world class doctors and alot of very caring people. Recently my wife gave birth to our second daughter at Stieff Hospital in Safed. The nurses and doctors were extremely kind. Then when we returned to our home in the Golan our neighbours greeted us with lots of homecooked food so that my wife and I could enjoy our new baby and not have to worry about cooking. Larry, there are lots of wonderful people in the Israel. And yes I consider myself one of them. I am also a proud Zionist and a proud Jew I frequently attend synagogue services. I know from your past emails that life has not been easy for you yet try and see some of the goodness that surrounds you.
49. Oye! A Shanda on all of us!
Israeli   (12.01.08)
what business is it of ours if this family (May they receive comfort from heaven) wants to bury their family member privately? What business is it of ours if their political agenda is not to our liking? For all of your information Satmar doesn't take any money from the State...they live privately and worship as they wish. Especially at this time we should be respectful of their need to continue to live as a people apart.
50. Robert # 45 , Not for anti Israelis
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.01.08)
Israel is the Home for every Zionist Jew , not anti Israelis . They can live in Brooklyn or other places in the world , and not pollute us here
51. Stupid Headline
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (12.01.08)
A Jew was murdered, and Ynet has to emphasize this poor man's ideology? Grow up, Ynet. Show compassion. It is just these sorts of insensitive slurs which turns Jew against Jew.
52. They should remember : he died because he was an Israeli.
robert renders ,   belgium   (12.01.08)
53. Respect the family's wishes
Aharon   (12.01.08)
Anyone who reads my talkbacks knows that I am a vehement critic of the Haredim, especially on the grounds of their anti-Zionism. I still hold the view that while they are anti-Zionist and breeding at such a rapid pace they are no less a security threat than the Arab demographic timebomb. However, taking this out on the body of a dead man is no way for a civilized country to behave. Respect the wishes of the family, and let them bury their son in peace. We'll leave the politics for another time.
54. The terrorists will kill just for the sake of proving a
Palestinian   (12.01.08)
point... These people would have killed anyone even if it was a Muslim who stood against them... These are the lowest of humanity... Our condenlences to all our Jewish friends and all those who love peace and justice on the face of this earth.
55. What's the problam??
Hershel ,   Monsey, NY USA   (12.01.08)
You can’t win with you Zionists! If the Hareidim take $ from the State you yell Suckers! Is they don’t you assail them that they should be buried in GAZA?? What’s the matter? Why aren’t they entitled to their own way of life? And for the record, THEY WILL NOT TAKE ANY MONEY FROM THE TERORR FUND, and so don’t they ever take any funding what so ever from the state not even betuach l’umi. As for paying for the IAF for bringing the caskets, they will be more than happy to do so, they insisted on bringing him home with a private jet, but Israel objected. And BTW the father of Reb Leibish is a very wealthy Rabbi.
56. In spite of his politics
Avi   (12.01.08)
the man died for being a Jew, so those who were near and dear to him should be supported in their time of mourning. Bury him as a Jew.
57. He was killed becase he was a Jew.
jsm   (12.01.08)
Bury him as his family wishes. But consider his murder as a good argument FOR zionism
58. # 10 without the zionist, you would still be living in exile
Shlomo   (12.01.08)
59. #42 WRONG
israeli jewess   (12.01.08)
He was MASSACRED because he was a JEW
60. # 48 I Can See Some Good
Lawrence ,   zefat Israel   (12.01.08)
I can see that you are good,you have a Heart of gold.Thank you for making me feel better and a bit less bitter hopefully,I don't know what has happened to me.There are many ,many good people here,I am blessed with angels for neighbours and friends.What I dread is to witness the good people here suffer at the hands of the bad ones in government and elsewhere and all the Sinat Chinam,but this is all out of my hands.Keep up the good work and stay positive.
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