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Haredi, religious residents clash in Beit Shemesh
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 21.12.08, 14:18
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31. HY YOU COMMENTORS LOOKING TO HATE
..............DACON9   (12.21.08)
NOT ONE OF YOU MENTIONED THE HEREDI WOMAN WHO TOOK THE GIRL ,DRESSED HER IN THE WOMANS HEREDI CLOTHES TO ESCAPE UNHARMED. NOT ONE OF YOU MENTIONED THE GOOD NOT EVEN THIS SLIGHT ACT OF GOODNESS. ITS NOT THE FOUR THUGS ITS YOU HATERS EVERY GROUP HAS BAD AND EVIL NOT ONE GROUP IS FREE FROM SIN AND YOU TALKBACKERS HAVE SHOWN YOUR GROUP OF SIN FOR CONDEMNING A GROUP FOR ACTIONS OF SOME. WHY isnt anyone asking why these girls,old enough to know that that neighborhood has its ways, right or wrong, but to avoid it. all you rightous jews(lower case jews) then KNOW THAT TORAH TEACHES TO AVOID DANGEROUS SITUATIONS, NOT TO PUT YOUR SELF AT RISK ,TO CARE FOR YOUR BODY AND SOUL, none of you jews mentioned that either. BRAVO TO THE HEREDI WOMAN WHO HELPED THE KIDS. AND YOU KIDS. WHATS WRONG WITH YOU ANYWAY? DACON9 jewswithviews@gmail.com
32. S. Judah , you did'nt understand Ready !
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.21.08)
I'll suggest that you work a little on understanding sarcasm and humor . PS i think you owe me some answers .
33. To all H. A. Ready bashers , you can't read
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.21.08)
did you read the last sentence ? Those computers at Bar Ilan , you don't remember ? Does this don't say anything about Mr Ready ? He was only full of sarcasm , but you are all too .....to understand
34. police do NOTHING!
nadav ,   tlv   (12.21.08)
the police in israel, and jerusalem in particular do nothing to stop this behaviour. These "religious" heredim have been throwing rocks at jews and non jews alike for DECADES!! who is surprised that they would attack on, even religious, Jewish girls!!?? The police should arrest them, sentence them, and send in riot police to teach them a lesson to never attack anyone again! These "people" are fanatic, backward, and violent, they should be treated accordingly!
35. I am not very proud
Sagi ,   Israel   (12.21.08)
be a Jew and certainly do not wish to rub shoulders with common criminals such as these hooligans. On the other hand I am extremely proud to be Israeli and I will be even more proud if these thugs are arrested, sentenced and jailed. No, I am not anti semitic but I am definately anti anyone who breaks the law and terrorizes others.
36. 10 David , do not taint the religious with 3 Ready.
S Judah ,   London   (12.21.08)
My view of this sick excuse of a religious person is noted in 7. He and those that attacked the girls and religious girls at that are extremists. There are plenty of such nutters amonst the non religious sector.
37. Dacon
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.21.08)
Those girls were apparently modestly dressed . Is walking around endangering their life ? Were they walking in "bad famed" suburbs ? Why should they fear something in their 100 % Jewish town ? We have seen already more than enough of those hatred filled faces , but never heard a voice of their Rabbanim condemning such a behaviour . So we can condemn them all . Regarding this woman , nice of her , maybe a Lubavitch one who are more tolerant . Or at least one Human being there .
38. An Immodest Proposal:
Equal Rights ,   USA   (12.21.08)
I wonder how these crazed, moronic, sanctimonious a$$holes would react if they got the crap beaten out of them because their style of dress is really backward and weird. Would they enjoy being taunted and having their payos (beard-curls) cut off because secular Jewish women find them nauseating to look at? Only a self-righteous lunatic would assault someone because their style of clothing is deemed to be tasteless and disgusting. Israel is supposed to be a democracy. These haredim are not lawmakers who can decide for everyone else how to interpret and express Judaism. They have no right to decide who gets to wear what, even if a person's dress does not conform to their taste. These religious fools have only one choice: abide by the laws of the land, or be arrested and thrown in jail for breaking them. It's that simple.
39. To DACON
USA   (12.21.08)
A girl should never have to endure the humiliating effect of being forced to wear a burqa to save herself while another woman, however compassionate, is forced by male religious zealots to be complicit in her dehumanization. These are 15 year old girls, my friend. Teenagers often make mistakes because their sense of prudence isn't fully developed. It is hardly their fault that they were in the wrong place at the wrong time because, by LAW, they are still considered to be juveniles. Nobody has the right to commit assault and battery on young girls just for walking in a neighborhood. It is those who project their own filthy fantasies onto others that need to learn to control themselves, not the other way around.
40. Post #3 and those who struggle to read english
boxley ,   atl   (12.21.08)
he was makin da fun, schmucks
41. #27 Shalom
Amy ,   off rt 40   (12.21.08)
I absolutely believe it. Because I know enough other frum/dati people that similar things have happened to. I've spoken to them about their RELIGIOUS/ORTHODOX/FRUM daughters being pepper-sprayed, being shouted at, being physically and verbally assaulted. By men who should know better. By men who claim that they're "protecting" their kids? On the contrary. What hatred they're teaching their kids. It's the worst kind of khilul HaShem. And it's why Mashiakh's not here.
42. Haredim attacking Jewish girls
Spencer ,   Israel   (12.21.08)
There low-life Haredim (in my eyes they are NOT religious because religious people don't act like this) are nothing but a bunchof hooligans who should be thrown into gaol. I have one word to describe them and their behaviour....DISGUSTING!
43. Dirty skirts dragging the ground
Ran   (12.21.08)
This is a filthy habit and not at all modest, it draws attention in the wrong way. (I am not against any grouping and am modern orthodox by the way).
44. DISGUSTING
Helen Levy ,   Cape Town, SA   (12.21.08)
So let me get this straight. It's ok to beat up on 3 defenceless teenage girls, but it's not ok for laughter to take place between boys and girls??? What the hell is this all about???!!! Happy occassions are prohibited and punished, but violent ones are endorsed and justified?? Holy crap!!! I don't know anymore if the biggest threat to Judaism and Israel lies outside the borders anymore, or if it's actually a situation of "sleeping with the enemy" i.e. being "oblivious" to the danger which is almost too close to recognise. I'm aghast...and disgusted.
45. #39
Keren ,   Israel-SP   (12.21.08)
I TOTALLY agree with this statement of yours: "It is those who project their own filthy fantasies onto others that need to learn to control themselves, not the other way around. " It is very right! It is not women fault men's general fantasies and it is a big,enourmous injustice to distance women of their right to think and learn(Torah in the case)because of the mind of men. They should deal more honestly and consciously about this matter. And quite honestly,many,many women are conivent with this behavior ,because they ,many times,are insecure of themselves and prefer together with men to distance anything they fear. This is a disgusting behavior and actually it distances all of us from G 'od! But very few are going to understand this,unfortunately...(well,hopefully they will!) PS:Despite what I am saying,I do agree with religious rules about physical separation in sinagoques and what is in the Halachah.I agree with this all. I only have confidence in ortodox Judaism. The problem is not in Judaism but the mind of some people.I think so...
46. Where does it say boys and girls laughing together is
Puzzled ,   USA   (12.21.08)
forbidden? Is this religion, or cultural tradtion? Who gets to decide this issue? and is not the laughter of boys and girls far preferable to people raising their fists in violence toward others?
47. Im sure their Rav permitted them to grope the girls
Lemmings Hotline ,   sd usa   (12.21.08)
Nice to get a little break from the Rebbetzin and the 7 kids and go get a little action . And , oh yes, its a mitzveh to make those bad girls feel uncomfortable in our holy neighborhood. Even if you got an "erect.....n", I think it still would be a kiddush Ha shem( sanctification of the name of G-d) to go down there and show them, even if some of their immodest clothes came off while shaking them up a bit !!!!!??????? Maybe an avairah leeshma, ....? yeah thats it.!!!!
48. making fun
S. ,   Switzerland   (12.21.08)
DACON, boxley, Ready: making fun- my dear- your sense of humor stinks- DACON, how do you know ready was making fun---- you are Ready? Take your sick humor somewhere else- preferably another planet, LOL
49. Hallo: H.A ready is making fun of Hareidim, don't you get it
shoshi ,   Zurich, CH   (12.21.08)
You didn't understand. H.A Ready is just cynical. What does the last sentence about the "vacant Bar Ilan Computer" mean? It means that on one hand Charedim beat up girls that seem immodestly dressed, and on the other hand they go to Bar Illan University to watch Porno on the Computers there.
50. Deport the hara-dim now!
jason white ,   afula,israel   (12.21.08)
They are an enemy of the Jewish people and to our religion. Never let them return.
51. 32 Charles - have we all misunderstood , Ready?
S Judah ,   London   (12.21.08)
Others have taken him literally as well - on the other hand it is reasonable to assume that a genuine "Ready" would not be on the internet reading Y Net. What questions have I still to answer?
52. Old Italian Style
Dr D ,   Jerusalem   (12.21.08)
Maybe one of the girls dad didn't accepted an offer for his apt. Like in Little Italy the gang in Jerusalem are after the Kosher Butchers, proprieties for Yeshivot, and cheap housing. Free money from government helps too. They believe that the more they act crazy the more God help them. With those guys around certainly the Mashiah will not be back for long long time. I am imagining for a moment of what God would have done if one of the girl would have died . Shame on those animals.
53. H A Ready
Ben ,   Monroe USA   (12.21.08)
That computor is probably as empty as your head. You are a sick person devoured by hatred of anything other than the stories your rabbi feeds you. The girls are destined for a decent life, which obviously is not yours. You are destined to for a place of dishonor.
54. Just jest; no way Jose
Ben ,   Monroe USA   (12.21.08)
You seem to overlook the comment, "your anscestors would be ashamed of you" made by ready referring to the young girls. That's not jest, that's not sarcasm. That's blatent hatred. Better the hatred should have been aimed at the sickos disguised as human beings who acted like animals.
55. A Jew who raises his hand against his fellow Jew is "Wicked"
Chofetz Chaim ,   sd usa   (12.21.08)
56. I agree (till some point) with H. A. Ready...
Paulina ,   Guatemala, Guatemala   (12.22.08)
I agree about educating youngsters I'm a young girl by the way, and If I were one of this 3 girls I would get very angry and full of hate towards those men... There is always another way to solucionate problems not so radical... come on those were MEN against GIRLS... If I were some of this girls I would stabb some of the men that attacked the next day... OR I would get very sad (the most provable). And If you don't want to get retaliations stop doing this... instead of using violence PRAY to God to save your children of this inmorality!!!
57. haridim
colin   (12.22.08)
WHERE ARE THE VIGILANTIM They must organise a large group with baseball bats and start returning to these haridim what they give BREAK THE BONES,OPEN A FEW HEADS TO SHOW THE FILTH INSIDE,GET THE LEADERS IN THE YESHIVAS. Cause as much harm and pain as possible on these parasites of Israel
58. The day will come when we have to deal with these people
Aharon   (12.22.08)
The Edah HaChareidis are more or less universally respected in the Haredi world, and the fact that they sanction this sort of behavior is a warning for all of us. At present they are only a small portion of the population, but once they reach 30%, 40%, 50%, 60%, we are going to start feeling their intolerance ourselves. It's only a matter of time before the sane majority in this country realises that we have to deal with these people and solve this issue once and for all, peacefully or otherwise.
59. Ben , in Monroe . Can't you read
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.22.08)
Or did'nt you read this story about the computers at Bar Ilan ? I'll tell you : one night some charidim were caught while watching porn at computers there . Ready was , as i and some other smart people wrote ,making fun of them .
60. Are you all this outraged when it's Arabs attacking Jews?
Yonatan ,   Los Angeles   (12.22.08)
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