I laugh each time i hear Arabs and EU liberals argue the validity of Hamas based upon an election. An election does one thing only - give the people the government and local rule that THEY voted for. It does not mean any other country or body must recognize them or deal with them. Because Hamas is a murderous, despotic regime and calls for genocide and death of a UN state - it is not only a right but an obligation to isolate them, just as those have done to Nazi Germany, Serbia during the Balkan war, and South Africa during times of apartheid. Yes - we all acknowledge that Hamas is the ruling party in Gaza by vote. But that's for the Gazans to deal with not Israel.

Can you remember back that far? The day when peace was in the air and Pals visited the beaches of Tel Aviv while Israelis shopped in Nablus? Your economy was the fastest growing in the world and you purposely and vehemently threw it all away at the chance of destroying Israel. THAT is why you are in the situation you are in. You were offered WB and Gaza several times and refused it for a handful of reasons. Israel is here to stay and we're legal. Why? Because we were given State land (not privately owned) through an intl vote, part of which was already purchased by Jews. You...well, only 5% was privately owned in 1917 and most Arabs are illegal immigrants as documented by Brits, so it seems the occupier is you. But we're willing to let it go for the stop of violence and rockets and watch you build your own peace State on Gaza/WB.....that is, if you can finally admit your stupid genocidal war of 88 years was wrong.

You're nuts. Hamas showed first day that their intentions were not building an economy but destroying Israel. Blockading them meant stopping the massive flow of weapons and highly trained Hizbullah and Iranians. If what you say is true, then why did the Gazans destroy both the industrial park at Erez and the advanced green houses given to them as a gift? Why does Hamas constantly target the very borders they demand to be opened? Where is all the money donated by Qatar and UAE for new housing units? Why was the farm and settlement areas of Gush Katif (legally Jewish land for centuries) NOT turned into high-rise apartments as promised but into terror training grounds? You may be stupid or think we are, but we know the score and what Hamas is up to. Hell, they even stated it themselves, and I trust them more than you Turks.

If the UN stopped its organizational support of these "third generation refugees" in Gaza, the people will have to start worrying about how to get work and make a living, and not only be doing terrorism. When they start behaving like a responsible society, Egypt and Israel that boarder them will open the gates! It's simple.

When Erdogan starts to talk with the Kurds instead of systematically bombing & killing them( Men women & children, makes no difference to him!!) Then the drivel he spews against us might be taken with a pinch of salt! Until then he would do well to keep his antisemetic thoughts to himself

if a person supports and talks about humanity or human rights you can not try to stop or fault him/her especially because of his/her nationality.

And what exactly do you call "Palestine", Jamal? Our Ancestral Land which was conquered and raped by Romans, Greeks, and later Arabs, Turks and the Brits? Be pleased that you got Gaza and the West Bank (as the UN itself ratified anyway). If you plan to murder all of us and re-conquer Israel, be prepared to live in hell for a VERY LONG TIME! Just like you, we have A LOT of patience. Actually we have MORE patience than ANY people - we've waited for more than 3000 years to return to our Ancestral Lands and rebuild our Historical country, long after the Roman Empire, the Greek Empire, the Ottoman Empire and the British Empire have long been gone! We'll still be here, on our lands, living in our own country long after the new barbaric , primitive and racist "Islamic Empire" will disappear in the garbage bin of history. So don't complain if you get beaten and suffe as a result of your own terror. This time we'll defend ourselves regardless of you moans and terror attacks. While your children and your children's children will live in perpetual poverty under the rule of terrorists like Hamas or corrupt banana republic dictators like Arafat and Abbas, our future generations will flourish! Eat your heart out, Jamal!

As soon as Israel left Gaza, Hamas intensified the Qassam's attacks and terror attacks on the border crossings! Hamas called that a victory and said that it will drive Jews from the "rest of occupied Palestine too".... You are right however about Gaza potentially becoming a commercial heaven. TELL THAT TO HAMAS Tayfun! If Palestinians would invest the many billions in aid they got from EU and US (and now 2Bilion from Saudi Arabia!) into schools, hospitals, universities, COMMERCE, banks, INDUSTRY. HOTELS, RESTAURANTS, etc. instead of in BOMBS, Qassams and weapons, Gaza and the West Bank would be successful. But as you surely know, Hamas is not only terrorizing Israel - it also terrorizes its own people - especially those who are not "Muslim enough". There is ample proof for everything above - you only need to use your own brains instead of allowing to be brainwashed by your own hatred, racism and of course, your illiterate Mosque preacher who would have no work in a developed and CIVILIZED society! That's why Islam promotes barbarism, racism and terror. That's why Gaza will NEVER be successful! Not because of Israel - because of the Gazans themselves! PS: nice try with "falashmura". That only shows how imbecile and uninformed you are! Maybe the Armenians and Kurds in your country will also like a country of their own. Wait! THEY DO! That's why you have been commiting genocide against them!

Define "Palestine" - where was it and what was its capital? Who was its first "president". Was that entity existent BEFORE Israel? As usual , you're using slogans and Anarchists and Arab propaganda garbage. This is the only place on earth where victims (Israel) supply electricity, water, gasoline, commerce and jobs to their sworn enemies who say it publicly on every occasion that their only purpose is to commit genocide against Jews and wipe Israel off the map. So before stinking this forum with your imbecile propaganda, check your facts.

What about the Kurds ...Armenians...? What about the suffering of Darfur....and others? There is no love of Gaza here, it only is hate of Jews. Why else would atheist and religious fanatics unite to protest in favor racist sexist madmen who call for the death of Jews. Here is the truth---if the Gazans put down their weapons there will be no more bloodshed---if the Jews put down their weapons there will be slaughter.

Let's see how delicately Mr. Erdogan handles civilian casualties. Wasn't it the Turks who invented the term "take no prisoners?"

rather than expressing his views after he is out of office. and he has a point. and it is not the first time that "israel did not act fairly" if i remember they did it to at least the US too.

you are totally right. . . for this reason he doesnt represent most of turks.

...how do you do it George? How can you read people's minds? How do you know what "Tahl" or ANY of us think? But you'll do ANYTHING to spill your racist venom in this forum, eh? While you promote lies, blood libels and other Arab propaganda garbage, the fact that Palestinans want an Israel without Jews is well-documented. They took care to make this public to whomever cares to listen and whenever there is a susceptible audience around. Fatah has this plan laid ourt in their Charter, and so does Hamas. While no Israeli government had or has that on their "charter". On the contrary! We PROVED numerous times that we want peace, but if peace means a peace without Israel, then of course, we bite back. So scram to your little rat hole George. Your rants are fit for Al-Jazeera or Haaretz forums. Their imbecile audience is more receptive to your pathetic propaganda.

...who makes all the time comments with his pathetic english and disconnection from reality.he has a low IQ and EQ.i am ashamed to be from the same country with him.dont take him seriously.he ain't a normal person. about the "open air prison" conditions ,i totally agree,but israel cannot release the siege before coming to a mid-point with these arab extremists.because if they end this siege now,arabs will start their preparations for a massive attack.

Are you giving all those for free?!! Of course not. Commerce and cheap slavery jobs that no Israeli whant to do. this what you meant? Does Israel release the Tax money collected from Palestinian that belong to Palestinian authority, Yes, No maybe?? This another chantage for peace too!!! Do you want me to continue on?

KURDS ARE ERDOGAN'S NUMBER ONE SUPPORTERS, KURDS ADORE THEIR MACHO/FEUDAL/RELIGIOUS LEADER. ALSO ARMEANIANS SUPPORT ERDOGAN. YOU CANT HURT ERDOGAN BY SUPPORTING KURDS AND ARMENIANS, YOU WOULD ONLY MAKE HIM STRONGER THIS WAY.

like it always happens when he is with our Coward Arab leaders (we never chose ) he , Olmert and Livni are treated like pop stars and are given the red Treatment (or America will not approve of them . ) turkey has the strongest links to America and Israel Yet they have the guts to speak out when they have enough . Bravo Erdogan . i wish our Arabs had an ounce of dignity and courage like you , i forgot , courage has become a thing of the past im afraid . bravo anyway

israel has and still does While their are similarities of our conflicts, there are important differences including the extent Hamas will go to endanger palestinians deliberately and the means hamas uses to attack israel Walls are actually not what is present in Gaza but would be entirely justifiable

I would like to see erdogan's face at that moment ! LOL

You remember when sharon smashed west bank in 2002 oe 2003 to thwart terror.US opposed it. He did it, hosue to house and all arabs were screened. After that it was quiet. Arab street was afraid and shut up. That's the way its been since 48. Every time israel decides to be magnanimous and offer the tip of a finger, the arabs want the whole body. NNow Europe in spain says, lets give israel to the arabs so we'll be rid of our arab problem and likewise France the rest of europe. Our shmuck Olmert decides he's tired of fighting, convinces sharon to give up philadelphi, and then offers everything to arabs for nothing in return(he didn't even ask assad to break off iran and hezbollah) and now arabs are wild in protest everywhere and of course the media like amanpour, ben wideman are in their backpocket. If God could take olmert back right now, then he would do israel a favor. Livni was a moron to sit in his cabinet. Yaalon, make the pplan, retake philadelphi and dig a moat. The rest I leave to you to figure out with eitam. Fiinally, Olmert was such s shmuck, with no ability to read character as he was about to sign over the golan using the good offices of this islamic radical erogan who has an extremist islamic arabic wife Emine.Erdogan's favourite line is you can't talk to the prime minister of Turkey in this way, I am offended. Now you know why Greece is screwed.

Turkey!

turkish and kurdish we living together 1000 years we are brothers

gravity of the Hamas terror and their blood wish of destroying Israel, you are missing the point totally and have become an embarrassment for the free world. Who are you defending actually ? A terror organization who surely rigged the elections you are refering to and then killed all Fatah soldiers and politicians in the Gaza Strip. Why didn't you rebel in the loudest possible voice when it happened ? Were they not the same Palestinian brothers killed by other more violent, terrorist brothers ? Where were you then? How convenient now, when the only democracy, Jewish, that is, has had to defend herself, you shout and rage like a mad man. Who the hell are you to insult Israel ? I only hope so many free spirited Turks will know what to do in the near future at the polls. I don't think there is any doubt about who they are going to elect. If you don't believe it, just wait and see.

you wrote ! Or, maybe you are another Ganem from the local Hizbula ?!

Gaza is an open air prison, but....The jailers are hamas NOT Israel In yiddish there is an expression "Er ploydert vi a Turk" He talks foolishness like a Turk This saying applies to Erdogan

Sir,you are correct when you said that Gaza is like "an open -air Prison." This is an unfortunate reality.It is also an unfortunate reality that President Erdogan is a silly arse .

but instead Arafats wife is shopping like crazy in Paris at the expense of the Palestinian people!