their religion is anger--they are leftists and certainly not even half of the female community.fortunately observant women have more children ...reform intermarry more.

look how jews humiliate their women.

Please note the photo evidence of men and women praying together without separation at the Kotel long before the site was turned into an 'Orthodox Synagogue.' Our holy site has been stolen by one particular strand of Judaism. What a strange phenomenon for those who revere the past to completely ignore evidence of men and women praying together in this spot in the past. The photo can be seen be clicking on the following link: http://liliannattelqanda.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/men-women-wailing-wall-underwoodunderwood-19081.jpg?w=370&h=512

as many times as possible. Shalom.

except in a mathematical equation. Equal when used in a social sense usually means to have equal access to something. You are interpreting all of this too narrowly and literally. Women's place in prayer and other parts of the Torah has to be looked at through the lens of the Torah and through society, which creates minhagim. Most rabbis agree that when H created man/woman --the first mention in Bereishit, it was as two halves of a whole. To what extent these two halves differ or are similar is up to humans to understand. I prefer to think of men and women as like the two sides of the human body; one side may be somewhat stronger and the other weaker, or vice versa, but the differences are not great and the two sides work much better together in general than separately. There is no question that in today's society women are exercising qualities that they haven't in a long time, or else qualities whose exercise used to be limited to a very few, privileged women. They do pretty well at these things too, for the most part. Many women (and men) may want to retain more traditional roles. However, this should not prevent those women who are reaching for something more (which was in fact done thousands of years ago by some Jewish women) to do so;they should not be stifled any more than those men who want to leyn and make aliyah in the synagogue should be stifled. Thank goodness some men who can leyn but not pay fees (as was done years ago) can now make their aliyoth. Times change. Yes, I know Sefardim/Misrachim still pay.

Do you really feel offended when poor people ask you for help? And by them asking you for help-that makes you feel inferior? Wow! You must have a really sensitive, elevated soul. Actually- i reckon you haven't yet found your soul. (Hint: you won't find it in books describing Jupiter Apiollonias temple.) Try the kotel though!

Then they learned Chumash. But they weren't allowed to learn Talmud. Now they do. Now women work in the rabbinical courts. There is nothing that says that women can't read from the Torah. Things will change.

Ah yes, rabbinic Judaism has now replaced the Torah. Our women are now placed here by Hashem only to bear children, to cook, to wash and generally be subservient to the male of the species. You will never find that in the Torah; but our self serving rebbunim need to be ubermenschen and have changed the Torah to fit their needs. Apparently, prayer now is to be directed to the rebbunim who in their not so humble opinion are replacing Hashem in Judaism. The basis of Judaism today is RABBINIC ULTRA-ORTHODOXY. My way or the highway. Judaism survived these millenia in spite of the those rebbunim. The sages of old never called for the separation of thre sexes, only the rebbunim who need to be praised call for it.

I'll write the same comment I wrote on the Hebrew article. Rav Rabinovitz was incorrect in saying that we usually pray only at Robinson's Arch. We pray shacharit and sing hallel every month at the kotel, and no one says boo. We move to Robinson's Arch for the Torah reading and musaf. To correct another misconception about the group: I am Orthodox (as are most of the local women, who attend every month).

The men should show respect and take into account the feelings of the women who wish to pray at the wall. How can they be so intolerant as to ignore others views? If they want to go to an orthodox synagogue to hide from women behind a curtain, it is their choice, but to claim a national monument like this and insult half of the human race is not acceptable.

BUT THE WALL OF THE KOTEL IS INDESTRUCTABLE. DON'T YOU THINK THAT AFTER YEARS IN ARAB HANDS, THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DESTROYED BY NOW IF THEY COULD DESTROY IT? IT'S SO SAD THAT A SMARTASS TELAVIVIAN LIKE YOURSELF WITH THEORIES AS NONSENSICAL AND ASSININE AS YOURS ARE SO COMMON. BUT USUALLY COMMON MEANS CHEAP SO I GUESS YOU'RE A DIME A DOZEN. GET AN EDUCATION FOR YOURSELF.

YOU WOULDN'T BE SINGING HALLEL ALOUD AS YOU DO. YOU ARE A JOKE.

They all taking part in idol worship. It is a wall. Nothing else, nothing less. If they think for one moment that the god that turned his back on us so many, many, many times is hanging around at that religious tourist trap - just waiting to hear a prayer from one of us. Rethink your faith. You only fooling yourselves. Better to put some geraniums in pots and turn it into a bear garden for everyone. Maybe then HaShem will take note. Halakha my **** Rabbinical fairy tales.

settling in the land of their fathers. they need not be so strict anymore to preserve jewdaism, by the same methods they did in diasphorah, as it is the common goal of the vast majority to be jewish, and not assimmilate.

I am not Orthodox. I find the Orthodox women pray aloud each time I am there and no objection is ever raised. I feel very accepted there, even though I look very Scandanavian (I am Jewish). What really disgusts me is the tactics of the Reform movement leader, who clearly has been trying to get her name in the paper. She's trying to stir things up and challenge the more observant and especially in Israel. The Reform movement is so watered down that after I converted (Conservative conversion) I was stuck one year attending a Reform temple (only synagogue in the area). I was appalled that it was so unstructured (and led by a Catholic convert!) that there was almost no difference from the christian evangelical service. All that was needed was adding "Jess" to the text and it would have been christian. I FLED the place! Reform movement is not Jewish. My experience demonstrated to me that the issues the Orthodox rabbi's have with Reform are correct. My exposure to Reform STRENGTHENED my dedication to being more observant. I will never step foot in a Reform temple again even if there is no other choice. What this "leader" did was offensive but never expect the arrogant Reform people to grasp that perhaps they should have quietly visited separately and observed that everyday there are women praying at the wall and not in silence! I thank the rabbis and leaders who protect the dignity of the Kotel. Thank you!

I have felt Hashem's presence each time I have been there. Have YOU been to the Wall? It is not a tourist trap at all. Rethink our faith? If you choose to do so, then have at it, but don't tell us what to do. You sound like a bitter loser.

1) there is nothing halachically forbidden about a group of women singing or chanting Hallel 2)you are such a coward that you do not even publish a hint of a name, much less your full name. I do not think that you are a joke, as you are not even remotely funny. Sniping at a Jew from a hidden place is a characteristic of an enemy. Shame on you.

If you are orthodox as you claim, why do you have a hyphenated last name? Sounds pretty WASPy to me.

Oh my, all this whining about hurting the tender feelings of the oh so sensitive male psyche. How about the insult to the feelings of the women who are muzzled so as not to diminish the fragile kavod of the male gender ? Get over it ! And btw, divide the plaza 50/50 - this little space allotted to 50% of Jewry is a chutzpah in itself ! Dee

We need to focus on Gilad..

While I understand the issue of the political influence of the Shas party, I think a law requiring separation between church and state is in order in Israel. These women make an important point; institutionalized sexism based on religious law - and a rather extreme interpretation of religious law at that - should not be permitted in a free society. The High Court should reexamine their laws.

If even goyim, many of who are tourists can come to the wall, pray, and leave a note at the Kotel, I really fail to see why women-Jewish women-cannot go to the Kotel to do the same. Who cares if they dress in a Kippat and talit. The novelty wears off.

Who exactly are saying is insulted, you referenced your own number

Sam - while I think separation of church and state is fundamental to our country, it is not to many countries in the world (including Britain). Israel is a theocracy. Don't think any other way. If Israelis want to change it, that's up to them and not to us.