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Carmiel rabbi enraged by erotic show
Galit Perry
Published: 20.03.09, 14:05
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1. If you don't like it, don't watch it
Aharon   (03.20.09)
It's very simple. I don't see why you feel the need to stick your nose into everyone else's lives.
2. Why?
Ariel Ben Yochanan ,   Kfar Tapuah   (03.20.09)
B"H Why "show intended for Russian-speaking population" is repeated twice? Aren't they Jewish and if they are not aren't they kept to hold to the standards of the Jews in Israel? Why were they imported at the first place, if they form a separate and not integrated and not integrating population? Isn't Israel meant to be a Jewish country? Why only religious Jews can have no country of their own? Xtians have their vatican city, muslims their mecca, only Jews are stepped upon and kept away from their culture and are not allowed to pray on their holiest site, on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Only the goyim are allowed to enjoy themselves in Jerusalem? Why?
3. prudes
pib   (03.20.09)
4. To the Sephardi rabbi
Danny ,   Rehovot Israel   (03.20.09)
Maybe you should go and enjoy the show as it might be enlighening and enternaining. Just because you don't play the game doesn't mean you should make the rules.
5. False Morality
leo ,   nyc   (03.20.09)
IF the performance is only for ticket holders and this is not a public event then why intervene? All the attempts to enforce "Taliban" style morality fail miserably. Just ask the downtrodden prostitutes of Tel Aviv to find out what percentage of their customers are "religious"...
6. #2 Ariel Ben Yochanan
Simcha ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (03.20.09)
Excellent questions!!!
7. sephardi goofballs need to know their place
Aleksandr ,   New York   (03.20.09)
One russian immigrant is 10 times more productive than the goofball rabbi's entire clan.
8. #5 Leo
(03.20.09)
Why is everytime someone speaks out for morality there are idiots like you who call it taliban style? Is there no Torah style morality? It is obvious you have no interest in pleasing G-d in your life, but you should at least keep your business in your filthy NY and not try to tell Israel how to honor their G-d. Whether you believe in Him or not, He believes in you and He is everywhere, even in the entertainment halls of Eretz Yisra'el. Let the Russians take their filth back to Moscow and leave the Holy Land, Holy!
9. lolllllll...
ghostq   (03.20.09)
I wonder how many ticket holders were religous, and I bet some of them did enjoy the show. religous people get a life, you don't like what you see don't watch but don't prevent others from fun.
10. Are You Still Conservative ???
Abdel Karim Salim ,   Jerusalem - ISRAEL   (03.20.09)
I would n't be surprised if such striptease dances were missing in Cairo,Damascus,and Riyadh.But why should it be banned in Israel which many believe to be " part of Europe in the Middle East " ? I enjoyed watching totally-nude striptease dancing in Manhattan and Philadelphia,USA, and in London,UK. Besides,I am not exaggerating to reveal I watched a couple having sexual intercourse totally in the nude in an entertainment theatre in Manhattan... Countless people love sexual entertainmernt, and I am on top of them all ... !!! Abdel Karim Salim Sharif stalingrad_43@yahoo.com Mobile# 0542879134 Jerusalem
11. how would you know
nr ,   los angeles, usa   (03.20.09)
Hey #7, how would you know? Doesn't the Rabbi have a right to his opinion? Frankly, I live in a city with a lot of Russian immigrants and they don't seem overly productive to me - especially the ones sitting in the parks playing chess all day.
12. Demonstrate against it!!
Chaya ,   Bat Yam   (03.20.09)
I don't care who it's for. It has no place in any city in Israel!
13. Sounds like a nude protest is needs somewhere ;)
Nick Sporek ,   Jerusalem Israel   (03.20.09)
14. Here We Go Again:Control Freaks
Lawrence ,   Safed Israel   (03.20.09)
15. WARNING:This Show May Contain
Lawrence ,   Safed Israel   (03.20.09)
Traces of Peanuts.And nudity of course.A surefire way to guarantee a packed house,naked flesh.Of course,those who are offended have the option of staying at home.
16. #2 Apples and Oranges
David ,   Jerusalem   (03.20.09)
I am deeply sympathetic to most of your questions. We must have our own country. We must run our own country. We must be allowed to live our way. But, one of your questions bothers me. A righteous gentile, who is allowed to live in the land, is not a Jew and is not held to Jewish standards. Instead, he's held to those standards laid out for him. There are many things that are allowed to him because he is not under the injunction to be holy as we are. That is not for him. That is for us. Among those things is being allowed to see a harlot (see Maimonides), whereas the prohibition for us is directly linked to "for you shall be a holy nation." He's still judged righteous (if not terribly pious) if he avails himself of this because he's not expected to be holy. The real question is: how many righteous gentiles may we allow to reside in our land? The answer, from the talmudic discussion of the verse "lo tehonen," is (pardon my liberal summary) *not so many in any given community that staging this sort of show would be worthwhile in the first place.* Or: not so many that our morality is affected by them, but rather, a small enough group that their morality is affected by us. You're right on the big issue, but don't assume the Torah expects the same thing of a goy as it does a Jew - even in Eretz Yisrael.
17. #7 AND U ARE SAYING THAT FROM NY
KACH 613 ,   JUDAH, ISRAEL   (03.20.09)
Before you tell me who is more productive in my land mabey live here and then you can talk!!!
18. To Rabbi:Thanks For The Publicity
Lawrence ,   Safed Israel   (03.20.09)
Until Rabbi Malka protested,nobody even knew there was a naked show.
19. I Once Refused To Attend A Brit Mila
Lawrence ,   Safed Israel   (03.20.09)
I objected to public nudity.Actually,I do understand the objections of some.This is,after all ,the holy land and standards should be upheld,it is just that there are more obscene things going on:poverty,corruption etc etc.
20. I Once Dumped An Old Flame Who
Lawrence ,   Safed Israel   (03.20.09)
Was an exhibitionist obsessed with nudity.She was a Naked Flame.
21. Maybe raise pigs there too, make russians happy.
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (03.20.09)
22. I Used To Run A Naturist / Nude
Lawrence ,   Safed Israel   (03.20.09)
Shawarma / Falafel stand.I had to be extra careful with the skewer and as for the falafel balls....don't even go there.
23. Lawrence , Safed Israel
EG   (03.20.09)
what a whacky dude !!! u fit rite in Tzfat
24. #21 "gets it". This issue is a symptom of a bigger problem
5th generation ,   Israel   (03.20.09)
If these folks want something almost exclusively for their population and that goes against local traditions, they need to go back to where they WERE the population - and on their way out, return every agora we taxpayers paid them to come and live as Israeli Jews. The math is simple: Ghettoization+Disrespect≠Integration.
25. Re # 17
Aleksandr ,   New York   (03.20.09)
I can talk regardless. Russian Jews are the pinnacle of the worlds Jewery :-) Not to mention russian non-jews are way superior to some of the north african/middl eastern jew varieties :-D
26. to LA
Aleksandr ,   New York   (03.20.09)
A comparative lack of russians in CA, highlight the direct reasosn for why your state is on teh verge of Bankruptcy :-D ANd its mroe noble to play chess in your spare time than watch snoop dogg on BET (which I know you do)
27. Morality down the tubes
Ellen ,   Israel/USA   (03.20.09)
The issue should not be Orthodox versus non-Orthodox. The issue should be morality for all. If you go back 25 years these shows only existed hidden in dark corners on unsafe streets. No one was proud to admit they went to such. Today, society in both Israel and the US has reached a point were it all hangs out. What ever happened to right and wrong. You do not have to be Orthodox to feel that public sex on stage is wrong. Maybe only the Orthodox have the chutzpah to say it is wrong. Sometimes I think the emperor is wearing no clothes and no one will admit it.
28. I agrre with #21, #24. Porno and pork...
Sue ,   Los Angeles   (03.20.09)
are fine in Russia, but not in the Jewish community.
29. #23 Everyone Is Whacky: It Is Just A
Lawrence ,   Safed Israel   (03.20.09)
Question of degrees.Thanks for the compliment and...by the way it is WACKY and not whacky.
30. Rabbi Malka Said : I Strongly Protest
Lawrence ,   Safed Israel   (03.20.09)
But how can I get front row tickets?
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