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Haredim clash with Messianic Jews in Rehovot
Matan Melekh
Published: 15.05.09, 14:20
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1. Oh, that kind of behaviour is VERY Jewish...
John ,   Europe   (05.15.09)
Let's remember that there is something called COM GEDALIA when it comes about treating your fellow man. It's good that they didn't pull Pinkas way of dealing here.
2. they have the obligation to tell jews about their messiah
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (05.15.09)
and israel provides freedom of speech for them to do so. no problem.
3. Thanks for writing the truth
Daniel Breslauer ,   Jerusalem   (05.15.09)
Matan Melech, Thanks for writing the truth. Your article makes it clear what they are doing, what they plan to reach (turn Jews into Christians), where they come from (American Evangelistic churches), and that only some of them keep part of Jewish traditions and customs. I, and certainly also many others, am very grateful for you for portraying them for what they are.
4. So what, #3?
John ,   Europe   (05.15.09)
Maybe it is not for you, but I never understood the fuzz about Messianic Jews. They try, you resist. If you don't, sorry, you are not a believer. Or you are deep down in yourself a Christian. It's not Satan's fault if you fall - it's yours! Satan is created to tempt, that's his primary and only function. IT IS YOURS to resist! Likewise, I have serious problems with "too-much-zinut" laws that forbid being in the same part of the bus with the woman and similar BS.
5. Hey John from Europe
Yaron ,   USA   (05.15.09)
I dare you to go to any Muslim country....Arab or not and evangelize ANY religion and see the brotherly love you are washed with. These people who espouse a fringe and an insulting brand of religion (contradictory to Judaism) and knew their actions were going to spark a reaction. Not that violence is acceptable, but you have to take responsibility for your inflamatory actions as well sometimes.
6. So who was violent?
Dani' El ,   SF USA   (05.15.09)
I'm sure it was not the Messianics, or they would have made it clear. Pretty shady journalism from Ynet. Been taking BBC lessons? When Elijah comes, and declares that Yehoshua is the Messiah? Who will the real Jews be then? Not long to wait now.
7. #2 - no they don't
Brian ,   NYC   (05.15.09)
Mike, Christians do not have freedom of speech in Israel if that means missionizing to Jews. Christian missionary work in Israel is illegal. Where was the police? They should have shut them down before the charedim had the chance.
8. The Heredim Missionaries are worse
Levi   (05.15.09)
They take you away from the Torah and lead you into believing that the Rabbis are greater than the Prophets and G_d Himself. Just read their Talmud. Read what you want people. One thing is for sure-the Talmud is full of tripe. Get back to the Word of G_d!
9. # 2 is Entirely Correct concerning yeshua
augustine e johnson ,   birmingham-usa   (05.15.09)
# 2 is Entirely Correct concerning yeshua
10. I was in Golan.....and
ben ,   singapore   (05.15.09)
I spoke to a few xtians, well the truth is , the xtians are being persecuted in the creeping fundamentalism in PA /Gaza. NOT BY JEWS ! Of course the intimidation of xtian media is also the problem.-SELF -IMPOSED / attaracted persecutions. Forced Conversion is not new among the xtians and muslims. The frozen state of xtians out of Pal National League is a FACT you xtians must accept. Please live the children of Jacob alone.Just live us alone ! Look Xtians, please stop blaming us when you come to intimidate us Jews .
11. Well, hey Yaron of USA!
(05.15.09)
YOU WANT TO BE COMPARED WITH TALIBAN? I don't. I don't even think that they are in the same class as me. So, your argument is totally off: JEWS do NOT attack each other because somebody thinks different! It is precisely the different opinion that formed and kept Jews prosperous and alive! To listen blindly is not in the nature of Jews, except when it comes to G-d!
12. Eliyahu
David ,   USA, exile   (05.15.09)
Dani'EL #6 is correct. However, the Spirit of Eliyahu is already at work in the lives of these Messianics and millions of others like them. The awakening has started and soon the events in the Holy Land will cause the Jews to cry out, "Baruch haba b'shem YHVH." Mashiach Yeshua will be crowned and true Yisra'el will be united as one stick in His hand. To my Messianic brothers in Yisra'el, "CHAZAK! CHAZAK! Venischazeik!"
13. Thse so called "Messianic Jews" are a real menace
Judah ,   Golan Heights,ISRAEL   (05.15.09)
I took my wife and two young daughters to the Kinneret(Sea of Galilee) for a picnic last week. A man approached my 3 year daughter and gave her a pamphlet with cartoons in it. I thanked him thinking to myself that this was such a nice thing for him to do. Then I opened up the pamphlet and was shocked to see that the cartoons were about loving Jesus. Israel is the ONLY Jewish country in the world. Can't these missionairies leave us alone??? If I had given this missionary a swift kick in the ass should I be faulted for this?
14. To All Jews
Arul   (05.15.09)
Go and read Isaiah 53 and see who fulfilled that human history. I only pray your blind eyes will be opened
15. ''messianics''
elliot ,   usa   (05.15.09)
they would be stoned in a moslem country-at the least they should be expellwd-maybe to the ''territoties''
16. #6 - My imaginary god is better than your imaginary god!
P ,   Philadelphia   (05.15.09)
And batman can sure beat superman in a fight, but only when Alfred shows up with more batarangs. It's sad that people get so worked up, particularly to the point of fighting, over these imaginary things. Eli, Yeshua ben Yosef, ...
17. #2 == excellent point-- more power to the Messianics
first -- you need to stop the persecutions of these jewish messianics-- it is just literature they are handing out and you are free to believe or not-- personally i support them fully believing yeshua was the dying messiah of israel since yeshua said he was and john the baptist said he was the lamb of g-d and israel took john as a prophet------ shalom====augustine e johnson-usa
18. about the yeshua they are preaching
augustine e johnson ,   birmingham-usa   (05.15.09)
more power to the messianic jews-- they are only handing out literature expressing their belief that yeshua was the dying messiah-- israel is free to believe or not so the persecution should stop- you are totally free to make up your own mind -- no coersion whatsoever----#2 makes ecellent points-- john the baptist who was considered a prophet in israel said yeshua was the Lamb of G-d and john was considered a prophet in israel and yeshua said he was the dying messiah of israel--dying for the sins of the people===shalom=augustine e johnson-usa
19. Daniel # 3 , he did'nt tell the truth
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (05.15.09)
How can he call them "Jews " , they are not . People who say that jesus is the messias CAN'T be Jews . I have never seen a TRUE Jew who does'nt wait for the Maschiach . They are christians hiding behind a Jewish "mask"
20. Shame on the Israeli government!
Vladimir ,   Jerusalem   (05.15.09)
It seems that haredim are the only people who care for the continuation of the Jewish people and for the Jewish pride. There is a law forbidding missionary activities in Israel, but the authorities simply don't care.
21. Why?
Jew ,   Israel   (05.15.09)
Why can't they just leave us alone in our own country?
22. They're not so bad
Avi ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (05.15.09)
I served in the IDF with some Messianics. They had a lot of motivation and minded their own business. They never tried to convince me to convert to Christianity. I think that it was probably just a small group of Hashem witnesses in Rehovot. Saying every Messianic Jew is a missionary is like saying every Jew is Chabad.
23. For once I support the ultra-orthodox
Totally secular ,   Israel   (05.15.09)
These messianics have no business being here at all. They definitely shouldn't qualify under the law of return.
24. I wish I could feel sad ! Sorry !
Yisrael ,   Jeruslaem, Israel   (05.15.09)
25. Missionizing is an extreme violent act.
David ,   Shilo ISRAEL   (05.15.09)
I have nothing against the many decent Xtians who respect the need for Jews to live our own religious life in Israel, or elsewhere. Accordingly, I don't intend confusing the issue or including such beleivers in this condemnation of missionizers 'against' Judaism. Jews have suffered for thousands of years at the hands of those seeking to convert us. They point to our punishment often brought about by their 'own hands' as proof why we should abandon our faith. We are now in the 'Jewish' State of Israel, and we have our own laws against such extreme violence as to try and seperate the soul of a Jew from his body. Let me say it loud & clear...Go to hell yourselves!
26. Their choice is not the only choice for the others
Valery Novoselsky ,   Brussels, Belgium   (05.15.09)
If they believe differently from the rest of the Jews - Fine! If they still think that they are still real Jews - Fine! But they are not the ones to tell to the rest of community that all Jews should convert to their version of spirituality. Is it their right to beleive in what they want, but they should not create problems for the others with their "righteousness".
27. messianic jew??????
menachem ,   switzerland   (05.15.09)
Why this sect or group of messianic jews are so hot to take others inside this cult. Believing this for yourself, gives you not that satisfaction you need? No missionaires activity in Israel, easy to understand for everyone also for this cult. shalom israel is jewish.
28. Although I'm glad they (Christians) were stopped...
Noach ,   Dallas   (05.15.09)
Since they were ORIGINALLY Jews, the Haredim should have explained why you CAN NOT justify Christian beliefs through Judaism. It is impossible. Go to: www.jewsforjudaism.org I don't care if Christians turn Gentiles into Noahhides (step forwards spiritually), I care if Christians try to turn Jews into Noahhides (step backwards spiritually). Both have a place in the world to come.
29. messianics are not Jewish they are Christian
Tania   (05.15.09)
They use the word Jewish to make people think they are, and the "only difference is they believe in Jeshu and he is the Messiah and stupid us don't know the truth." They forget to say our Jewish prophets never said tha Messaiah was god. The Messiah is just that and God is only God. The moment someone says he believes in Jeshu as god, he automatically is NOT Jewish. Jeshu= Christ- Christian. We Jews believe in God as God and are NOT christians or believers in Christ as god. Israel is one of the tiniest countries in the world; go proseltize in Saudi Arabia, in Syria , in Iraq, in Yemen, in Iran. There are millions and millions in the Muslim world.......but then, they may hang you. What proselitizer Christians do is anti-Semitic; they want to finish with the Jews.
30. "Messianics" are not Jewish. They are Xtians.
Yacov ,   Chicago   (05.15.09)
How many Xtians try to pass themselves off as "Messianic" Muslims or "Messianic" Hindus? Fraud is fraud. "Messianic Xtians claiming they are Jews are committing fraud, simple as that.
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