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Haredim clash with Messianic Jews in Rehovot
Matan Melekh
Published: 15.05.09, 14:20
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31. augustine e johnson: How do you explain centures of murder?
Yacov ,   Chicago   (05.15.09)
How do you explain 19 centuries of Xtians murdering Jews by followers of "The Lamb"? Xtians have harassed, ethnically cleansed, tortured, raped, murdered Jews and stole our property in every country they could find us. Now they are trying to destroy us in our own homeland of Israel.
32. Christian
Roi ,   USA   (05.15.09)
Jews can live and prosper in USA without this kind of treatment........a CHRISTIAN nation with they say 26 % evangelical. In Israel they are not welcome????? This is violence against good people and denying freedom of religon. And a Jew is a Jew because of what he is and not based on belief. If it's based on belief all Jew who are athiest, another religeon or non religious must leave Israel immediatly. You can come to USA because we accept you.
33. christian
roi ,   usa   (05.15.09)
these evangelicals know Gods Word. See for yourself and read the old testament and the New and not endless religious rules. Don't you know God is a God of Compassion, Love and Mercy. Don't we even treat the Arabs with natural human respect? So where is the love for these believing Jews who only show love to you? You must be weak in you faith to be afraid of them.
34. Missionaries
Mike Bass ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (05.15.09)
Next time I see them in Tel Aviv at the Rakevet Tzafon I'm gonna smack one till he sees stars.
35. 7 - police haven't arrested anyone; wonder why?
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (05.15.09)
because they are doing nothing illegal, that's why. go look up the israel's law against "missionizing". i happen completely agree with it. what these jews for jesus are doing does not even fit the legal definition of the law. don't like it? get the law changed (and good luck trying).
36. These "messanics" are only trying to finish
jason white ,   afula,israel   (05.15.09)
the job hitlers and his followers started. To eliminate the Jews. We have to fight back against these heathens till they stop or are removed from our Jewish Holyland. We want nothing to do with jesus. And jesus would have nothing to do with the christians if he were alive today. Get it through your thick heads,he was a Jews,not a christian and would pray with Jews, not christians if he were here this Shabbat. He would also be appalled at what was done to his fellow Jews for 2,000 years in his name. Get these heathens out of our Jewish Holyland now. Arrest and jail all missionaries.
37. High time for a beat-down
(05.15.09)
These missionaries don't know who they are messing with. I am very proud that people are taking matters into their own hands and doing something about these creeps. They deserve it!
38. FREEDOM OF RELIGION & OF SPEECH
Yael ,   Tel Aviv   (05.15.09)
these Heradim must be arrested. violence is completely unacceptable no matter what the reason is. If it is illegal in this area to distribute pamphlets then call the police and they will take care of it. and not everyone who reads the christian bible converts to christianity.
39. To Ignorant #14, Arul
Moishe ,   Golutsk   (05.15.09)
Do yourself a favor: Read Ishiaychu (Isaiah to you) in its original Hebrew or properly translated version in context, not from your corrupted, mistranslated Xtian "bible".
40. Jew who believe in Jesus!?!??!
Rickie ,   Porto Alegre, Brazil   (05.15.09)
As far as I know, Jesus Christ believers are Christians. If you're jew by birth and believe in Jesus, you're then a Christian, by faith. You cannot call as jew. That's it.
41. are the Haredim also Jews?
observer   (05.15.09)
42. are the messianic Jews circumcised?
observer   (05.15.09)
in Genesis 17:12 Moses states that Abraham was ordered to circumcise not only his son Isaac who at the time was not yet born but an the males born in his house, whether sons or servants, including the slaves. All of these were circumcised on one day together with Abraham; Ishmael too, who at the time was thirteen years of age, as the text informs us. Thus the convent or decree of circumcision encompasses the entire seed of all the descendants of Abraham, particularly Ishmael, who was the first seed of Abraham to be circumcised. Accordingly Ishmael is not only the equal of his brother Isaac, but he might even if this were to be esteemed before God be entitled to boast of his circumcision more than Isaac, since he was circumcised one year sooner. In view of this, the Ishmaelites might well enjoy a higher repute than the Israelites, for their forefather Ishmael was circumcised before Isaac, the progenitor of the Israelites, was born.
43. Proper response to Xtian Missionaries
Moishe ,   Golutsk   (05.15.09)
All missioners should know that from Jewish point of view it is better to "burn" in Jewish "hell" than to live in Xtian "haven".
44. Haredim clash with Messianic Jews
Grant Thomas ,   Brookfield, WI, USA   (05.15.09)
Having recently toured Israel, it is my conclusion that the Haredim are as radical and intolerant as the Muslims are. They are the very people that Jesus called "hypocrites". They are not pleasing to God with there phony practices. I found them to be the most rude people in Israel!
45. A Biblical Perspective . . .
Craig Crawford ,   Laguna Niguel USA   (05.15.09)
A Biblical perspective . . . "For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, (a "mystery" is something that had not yet been revealed in Scripture) lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles has come in." (Messiah is also a "Light unto the Gentiles"... fulfilling God's Word ... Isaiah 49:6) (Romans 11:25) The Bible warns there will be an allotted number of Gentiles who will be saved by God's Grace under the "New Covenant" (see Jeremiah 31:31). Grace and Shalom, www.alphanewsdaily.com www.theprophecies.com
46. ? Do all Messianic Jews believe Jesus is the pagan type
Fake Jew ,   USA   (05.15.09)
Roman godman (ceasar replacement), and that Gd ordains pagan type human sacrifice? Isn't there any Messianic Jews who believe Jesus came to do away with the concept of sacrifice = getting closer to Gd (self sacrifice)? Are all Messianic Jews in Israel followers of the Roman pagan belief system?
47. ynet? Why not post my question? ?For real Jews
Fake Jew ,   US   (05.15.09)
?For real Jews? Would you fellowship with a person who doesn't believe Jesus is a roman type god turned G-d, but someone who believes he was a righteous son, who had a differing halachtic understanding? Blessings
48. #18...but Jesus was a literal lamb?
Fake Jew ,   US   (05.15.09)
So how could he possibly be a literal sacrificie according to Torah sacrifice?
49. No one can convert Yehudim
ranjan ,   la,usa   (05.15.09)
Yisraelis and Christians, not messianic Jews, got it wrong. Mashiach is a Jewish (Tanakh) idea. Jews accepting Mashiach do not convert to any other religion. All Jews are doing is follow Tanakh. When some Jews accepted Bar Kokhba or even Rebe in NY as their Mashiach nobody said that they were converted to different religion. Same way Yeshua was Jew, so accepting him as their Mashich they would not be changing their religion.
50. Passing out leaflets is harmless, we do have free will
JO   (05.15.09)
and intelligence. Why the voilence and hatred? No one can force anyone to believe in anything. And for those wanting such a law, outlaw all the frummies coming to my door and telling me how to live - and their leaflets too please. And to the many other leaftets you get offered, I just say no thank you and walk away. Are we all so dumb? And is belief or non belief a crime. you can believe the Messiah is a pen if you want, I can disagree with you. You can believe God does not exist - or yes he does exist. You can believe in Buddist vibes, or some Rav's claims of special blessings or prayers. No Jew can be forced to become a Christian, grow up. And should some Jew want to - in his right logical mind - then he has that right. He has the right to believe what he wants. Or do we live under a dictatorship, or Sharia law? This issue is so tired.
51. You all are full of hate! God is love!
Gal   (05.16.09)
If you are so sure that the Messianics are wrong then beat them with scripture and not your hands.
52. Violence & intimidation is not the answer
J M ,   Monroe, USA   (05.16.09)
The Haredi fanatics are as bad, if not worse than the Messianics by resorting to violence. Speech never hurt anyone and if your faith is so weak that you can't deal with a Jew (or non-Jew) with a different religious belief in a civil manner then you need to be thrown in jail. Of course, I alsoI feel that if Christianity was so great, the Messianics wouldn't need to proselytize. Jews would be lining up at their churches to convert...
53. Religions
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (05.16.09)
There is nothing like "my myths are more believable than yours" to start fights and wars. The God Of All That Is must be really pleased with the behavior of His/Her/Its offspring towards each other. Somebody must have intentionally omitted "unless they're Jews/Christians/Moslems/Buddhists/Atheists/Gays/Goyim/Etc's" from the suggestion to treat one's neighbor as oneself.
54. #2 - And Jews have an obligation - tell them to go to hell!
Scott ,   USA   (05.16.09)
55. #2 Mike
Ben ,   Monroe USA   (05.16.09)
These are not Jews. They are Christians masquerading as Jews with the intention of persuading others to give up their Judaism. As such, they should be "persuaded" to leave Israel for whereever.
56. Messianics
Ben ,   Monroe USA   (05.16.09)
Israel passed a law to prevent those Christians from attempting to persuade the Jew to adopt any other other religion. Bluntly speaking, that makes their attempts to be unlawful. Comparing their efforts to those of the herediim is disengenuous. The herediim do not practice Torah Judaism, the proper name is rabbinic interpretation of Talmud. However, while that practice seems to be a deliberate attempt to make the rebbunim the rulers in the same manner as the papacy, it still is a form of Judaism similar to some of the other crazy sects now inhabiting Israel. Honesty is not part and parcel of the messianics attempts to sell Christianity. It is fraud disguised as truth. It doesn't belong in any portion of the civilized world. It is the express reason, that many Christian missionaries are suffering death and humiliation in many parts of the world where the natives are fed up with their prosilitysing.
57. Media hypocrisy
Yossi ,   Leeds UK   (05.16.09)
So YNet news, which regularly complains about the anti-Israel bias in the Western media, publishes this article clearly biased against Messianic Jews. Clearly the Haredim initiated the fighting, yet the real "story" here is the Messianic Jews' beliefs. We all know what Messianic Jews believe, does that mean any attack against them is excused because you don't like Messianic Jews? Are not these Messianic Jews Israeli citizens too? Or do we only protect Israeli citizens whose religious views we don't disagree with?
58. Ultra-Orthodoxy has no spiritual power
Wise Ultra-Orthodox ,   Israel   (05.16.09)
to oppose New Testament! We must grab New Testament from the Messianic Jews, tear them to pieces and throw them in a nearby garbage bin!
59. Tania is correct
norma ,   Colorado USA   (05.16.09)
The messianic movement is a Christian religion. There are some in my synagogue who have now converted to Judaism. For many Christians, proclaiming themselves to be Jewish lends a legitimacy to their religion. If they can convert Jews to Christianity, it gives them a sense of validity and reinforces this type of Christianity. Most messianics have never been Jewish in any way.
60. Tania is correct
norma ,   Colorado USA   (05.16.09)
Oops. I meant to say MOST messianics are Christian, not some.
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