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Haredim clash with Messianic Jews in Rehovot
Matan Melekh
Published: 15.05.09, 14:20
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61. #49 Except that the Jewish moshiach is nothing but a man...
Noach ,   Dallas   (05.16.09)
There are tens, if not hundereds of Jewish messiahs... All it means is that one is annointed. THE moshiach is a special moshicah that lives at the end of time. If not the end of days? Not THE moschiach! Swords not beaten into plowshares? Not THE moshiach! The final temple not built? Not THE moshiach! Not the correct lineage? Not THE moshiach! Jews can believe anyone is the moshiach. Since the above hasn't happened, then they are ALL wrong. The moshiach is just a man. JUST A MAN. The lineage of Jesus of Nazereth, is not just inconsistant, but AUTOMATICALLY diqualifies him as being THE messiah. Forget the qualifications he is supposed to fufill in the second coming. And even if he was THE messiah, the messiah SHOULD NOT be worshiped. He will just be a man.
62. No Need For Violence
Christy ,   Boston, US   (05.16.09)
If the Jewish Christians were breaking the law, the police should have been called and placed them in jail. There is no need for violence towards people who are handing out literature. Ignore & walk on -or- Just Say NO!! Pieces of paper can't harm you. I've been handed literature by people of other religions while walking on the street ... I either take it and throw it away or I keep walking. Sometimes I read the literature. I'm comfortable in my own religion, Christianity, so I'm not afraid of reading the literature of others.
63. education not polarization
Ethan ,   Eilat   (05.16.09)
Both in Israel and in the Golah we need to educate what Judaism is, not what it is not. Jews need to be defined by who we are not by who we are not. "Jews don't believe in Jesus just doesn't cut cake.. The polarization of Jews in Israel creates a happy hunting ground for sickos like "Jews for Jesus" who are looking to trap people by filling a spiritual void. We need open discussion between Jews.
64. I used to be a missionary in Israel
Yaakov Sullivan ,   NYC   (05.16.09)
We used to work at the highways and it was a very hard work. Jews are very hard to convert. Eventually some missionaries converted to Judaism. I personally know one guy John who become a haredi and even works as an anti missionary now. Another former missionary who used to be a pastor in California. His name is Gavriel Sanders. He used to be a big missionary and a pastor but now is an important orthodox Jew who works against missionaries. I personally a new convert to Islam. There is no too much hustle in Islam. Plus my husband is a Muslim and he worships me for that.
65. Ben , your 55 a copy of my 19
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (05.16.09)
Can't you write something of your own ? Remember : you are at ground zero
66. Christy , your 62
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (05.16.09)
You are confortable in your belief and nobody can change your mind ? very fine for you , i'm also strong in my atheism . But there are many weak people and those are the victims of all the missionaries . I don't think that the police will come for such a small incident , but violence should be avoided .
67. Ethan,63#, the Golan is as much a part of Israel as Eilat!
Judah ,   Golan Heights,ISRAEL   (05.16.09)
68. No one answered my questions?
Fake Jew ,   US   (05.16.09)
Do all Messianic Jews in Israel believe in the roman type pagan godman, or do some believe Jesus was a man / righteous one of an ongoing resurrection (tikkun olam), who believed in the Jewish G-d ? Would Jews fellowship with those who did not follow the roman pagan type godman theology created later (christianity)?
69. Ben , don't attack always the Rabbanim
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (05.16.09)
You pretend to be a believing one , this is what you wrote some time ago . Believing in what ? You don't show much of this "belief" by always attacking the Rabbanim
70. Judah 67 , the golaH is not the golaN
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (05.16.09)
71. # 58 - you right!
Itsik ,   Ramle, Israel   (05.16.09)
This is the only thing that poor Ultra-Orthodox residents can do. Because somebody in 11-th century said that it isn't true what happened to Yeshua in 1-st century and we shouldn't read these New Testament pamphlets. My condolences to poor Ultra-Orthodox residents of the central city of Rehovot.
72. Time correction
Mark ,   Myrtle Beach, SC   (05.16.09)
This missionary work actually began 2000 years ago.
73. jesus is dead, he died long time ago
Me ,   planet Earth   (05.16.09)
i.e. if he even existed, which is doubted by many serious historians.
74. Regarding Nos.63 and 67
Joan ,   Haifa   (05.16.09)
I think, Judah, that Ethan was referring to the "Golah" (גולה ="diaspora" not the Golan.
75. missionaries
gavriel ,   maoz zion   (05.16.09)
just for a correction, it is not illegal to do missionarywork in israel. only if it is done for financial benefits, it is illegal.
76. Xtians have been murdering Jews for centuries
Yacov ,   Chicago   (05.16.09)
Israel would not even begin to consider allowing Nazis to set up chapters in Israel. Why does Israel allow Messianic Xtians to operate in Israel? The Messianics and the Nazis have the same goal- wipe out the Jews.
77. Mess Jews
Jew ,   Israel   (05.16.09)
They are not Jews anymore and they are out to destroy the Jewish People. If they are giving out leaflets, tell them you need a lot for yourself and your friends, then go and tear them up!!! This is a MITZVAH!!
78. You'll be arrested
Shachna ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (05.16.09)
Smack someone at the Rakevet Tzafon, Mike Bass, and you'll be arrested.
79. #53 That's very trie,but...
Keren ,   Israel-SP   (05.16.09)
each one in his own house:Jews in Israel;arabs in Arabia;christians in Europe. Than we can talk like friends.
80. This is the subliminal result of "papa of peace" visit
Keren ,   Israel-SP   (05.16.09)
to Israel. papa is smart.or do you think papa is naivete?
81. #2 Soon ,Knesset will pass a law Israel will not provide
Keren ,   Israel-SP   (05.16.09)
these people freedom of speech anymore.Actually ,they don't have this freedom.The law must just be enforced.They are forbiden to prozelitize in Israel. This must be stoped.I myself kicked to hell a few in Yerushalaim. We are waking up to turn you lot in suckers and not us anymore. Byebye freedom of speech for goyim in Israel.byebye! Go to Rome to kiss papa a*************!
82. Jesus which is not even a Jewish name
Frank ,   USA   (05.16.09)
has never existed. However, how else can they attach themselves to Judaism? Let them have thier Jesus and leave the Jews alone in peace. The problem is they will never leave the Jews in peace just like the telemarketers will never leave their potentian client base in peace either. They have an obligation to sell their product. At least these days they are not murdering the Jews as they did in Germany, Spain, France, Ukraine, Poland, Austria, etc. So, we are lucky.
83. To #76
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (05.16.09)
If the Christians of today had as their main goal to wipe out the Jews, what chance do you think 14 million Jews would stand against 1.5+ billion wild-eyed Jesus freaks? And if you go back in history, will you stop conveniently with the Inquisition, progroms, etc., or go back a little further, when the ancient Hebrews didn't deal exactly kindly with the tribes who stood in their way to the Promised Land, either. And if you pin the justification for that on "God told them to do it," maybe God is telling the Messianics to pass out pamphlets. If "literature" killed people, the Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, etc. would have done me in years ago. Well, I'm still here and the only thing God keeps telling me is, "Use the frigging brain I gave you and watch out for fanatics of whatever flavor!"
84. #61,agreed
shosh/niki ,   los angeles ca usa   (05.16.09)
Our moshiac will be a rightous man not divine as Christians asume.These messies,the few who were Jewish are now Christians NOT JEWISH!! No Jew worships that false messiah.one of many in that era.. These christians mistranslate our Bible twisting the words of Iasah & others to attemt validating christianity. They shouldn't be allowed to proselytize in Israel ever.Not ultr-orthodox but applaud them.. Am ysrael chai
85. the picture contradicts the story
Ran   (05.17.09)
looks like a gentile from the "Jews for Jesus" organisation is handing out pamphlets ("broadsides"). Jews for Jesus are NOT Messianic Jews, but something entirely different.
86. #2 And we have the right to shut up them to hell!
Keren ,   Israel-SP   (05.17.09)
87. missionaries and their lies
tom ,   toronto, canada   (05.17.09)
"messianic jews" are NOT jewish!!! they are christian missionaries, whose goal is to trick jews into converting with a "soft sell". they wear a kippah, they speak a little hebrew, and then they preach about jesus, dishonest as hell, and well-funded, with millions of dolars from the evngelical churches in the states. proselytizing is illegal in israel (it is punishable by death throughout the moslem world, btw), and they should be arrested and deported asap. beating them up is a little excessive, but stopping them from their soul-stealing, and destroying their materials are quite commendable, whether by religious or secular jews. i find it astonishing that there are people here who would defend such a flagrant assault on other people's beliefs, in the name of "free speech" - there is not inherent "right" to attack others.
88. why we Jews reject Jesus.
shosh/niki ,   los angeles ca usa   (05.17.09)
http://www.hanefesh.com/Jewish-Christian_Talk.htm He's supposed to be so mericuful yet condemns all non-believers to death.And goyim think HaShem is vindictive LoL
89. Crazy people
Shoshana Rubin ,   Judean Hills   (05.17.09)
These Christian missionaries are crazy! If they cared one bit about their fellow humans, they'd go back to the US and minister to the prisoners, 95% whom are Christian. Since Israeli law does not allow missionaries to harass her citizens, the ultra-orthodox had every right to do what they did. How come their beloved Christian pastors sent them here, knowing Israel is in a state of declared war? Why don't the Christian leaders have any desire to help their fellow Christians?
90. Rabbi Yeshua said he would not be accepted (by the Jews),
Rivkah   (05.17.09)
but another would come in his own name who would be accepted (by the Jews). Rabbi Yeshua came in his father's name and was not accepted, but another will come in his own name and will be accepted. The Jews will accept someone as God or the Son of God who is not. They will sign a seven year renewal of a Covenant with Death that will divide Jerusalem and will destroy many by "peace". The reason the Jews do not accept Rabbi Yeshua as their promised Messiah is that the Lord Yah blinded their eyes so the Gentiles could be grafted on to the faith with Jewish roots. Sadly, the Gentiles corrupted the religion of Rabbi Yeshua; but the Messianics are closer than others to the religion Rabbi Yeshua intended to be in his name. Apparently, grafting on Gentiles required a division between Jews and Gentiles I do not understand. But since the Lord Yah blinded the eyes of the Jews to the Messiah when he came as a sacrificial lamb, I do not believe the Jews (but only the Jews) are held accountable to know their Messiah by the name Yeshua. For Jews only, knowing their Messiah and Lord as Adonai is sufficient.
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