Even though you didn't ask, I'm Haredi, university educated, and work for a living. I often feel that the secular media don't even attempt to understand the Haredi communities, neither in Israel nor in the Golah.

that turn every one against them, like forcing their ways on non religious while expecting to live on the tax payer money.

i believe ynet is from the worst of the friction causers... virtually everyday you can find potential issue causing articles here.....right tatula?

if you are looking for the truth and facts, you have to go find it yourself or use more credible sources. news is now a form of entertainment. the truth is only one of many tools the news uses, not the goal or purpose.

The secular press is terrified that people will become religious, so they make the religious look like settler-lunatics, and the hareidim like fanatics. The religious press doesn't have as much concern as the majority of kids growing up religious know how empty the secular world is, when it's void of values; however they do worry about the ones on the "fringe" of society who aren't getting a solid education from their families and teachers.

If an American media outlet picked on any group like the Israeli media picks on Charedim, they would have been shunned, labeled racist and out of buisness long ago. 99% of anti Charedi articles are biased, one sided and ignorant. Is it not enough that most of the world hates us, do we need to belittle ourselves also? The Charedim lead the country in chesed organizations, have the lowest drug and crime rates, and are good people. The media bias against Charedim and settlers is the thing I hate most about this country and has coused me the most sorrow. We need to come together and protect our own.

Haredi modesty squads going around beating women, whose behaviour, THEY feel, is immoral. Did that not happen? Smacking women around who won't move to the back of a segregated bus. Did that not happen? Giving the government false yeshiva student numbers to suck a bit more money from the government. Did that no happen? Their unwavering refusal to serve their country – even though there are units especially for them. Happens every day! Burning tires and smashing up internet cafes. Did that not happen? Oh please, the list is endless, and even if the media doesn't report it, it doesn't mean it doesn’t happen. There is no media bias. The Haredi actually make the news by behaving in an anti-social and unacceptable way. We are different, the divide between Secular and Haredim cannot be bridged. The best we can expect is tolerance from them regarding gay people and seculars who do not live a Haredi way of life. Maybe if we start there, the rest will follow. I can't understand why they get all bent out of shape. They don't work, have loads of kids, and sponge off the pork eating and gay seculars. Come on!

No-one is talking about Haredi in New York - butt out!

Your a prime example of the ignorant views agains Charedim. Every group has good and bad. The media only posts the bad, and fools like you think that thats all there is.

What do you think of Dudu Topaz? Is he the great secular open minded humanist or is he a disturbed person? and do you not think that possibly more of these things happen in the secular community but they are not reported but every troubled person who is Haredi is in the news for this kind of behaviour. Get real. For sure the media is bias and for sure both societies have a long way to go. Who is better than his brother. NEITHER.

It's always the same that i have to say . You are right , bad things happen in every community , but the only community to claim that they are better educated , have higher moral standards are the charidim and religious . And it's because of those claims that we are so harshly condemning them . Dudu Topaz was also very publicised in the whole press , he is a public figure . He was very wrong , but i don't think that he once claimed to have higher moral standards .

Of all places..

and stop the negative articles about Charedim. I beg you. All it leads to is hatred and more "metach" between secular and religious. Show some responsibility and stop the negativity.

try to love one another right now..." (sing along, Israel!)

"...we TRY to hold a high moral standard," those being the standards of the Torah which we believe to be given to us by G-d (how much higher can it go?) -- whether or not we actually live up to those standards depends on the individual, but the best that anyone can fairly expect of a human being is that they TRY (if they so CHOOSE to go that route; we were given the free will to decide for ourselves and if G-d doesn't deny us that, who are humans to try to deprive others of choosing???). Some people wear the outer appearance or clothing of Chareidim but their inside is just as G-dless as those who opt for G-dlessness consciously or not. People who look "the part" but haven't INTERNALIZED G-d or Torah, are unfortunately the ones who garner the waiting press and fuel those who long to cry "hypocrite!" in order to negate the inner call of all Jews to TRY. The choice is everyone's. Some do none, some do more and some do less. Jews have to stop oversimplifying and labeling so much and take people case-by-case. Hashem is surely "sickened" by all of this divisiveness within one people.

maybe the reason dudu topaz never claimed to have high moral standards was because........he didn't have high moral standards. They don't call me enstein for nothing.

The obvious secular media bias against all orthodox Jews--national religious, haredi, etc--is profound and long-lasting, having started shortly after the creation of the State of Israel. It is agenda-driven yellow journalism. When I've written posts that such acts are divisive and aimed against a sector of Israeli society and hence illegal, these posts were not published. When I've written to Israeli journalists and editors, I've gotten no reply. It may be their deep seated anxiety, it may be the simple hatred of the ignorant, but whatever the cause, it is simply unacceptable to stereotype and castigate a whole group of people in such manner.

Your 15 : OK , let's smile and not hate . You say TRY , and that's right . I think that this should be the general rule , not only from the religious , but from the whole population . But you are'nt alone . How many times have'nt i see people CLAIMING that their standards are higher , that their education is morally better . That's why i write claiming . I don't need the Torah laws to behave in a correct way . As i wrote it already , my freedom ends where the freedom of others begins . Regarding the "look" of some . Remember what i wrote some days ago . For me the package is'nt important , it's what's inside . I wrote it also already some times : Those "charidim" who make the headlines of the press because of some very bad action are'nt representartive of "their" community .

and I'm charedi, college educated, and working for a leaving. ghostq and others - you only see want you want to see.

And what case is that? Are you denying all the reports in the newspapers? Are you going to standby by hooligans, child molesters and women beaters? Of course seculars have scum as well, and they are no better - however, seculars don't pray to god countless times a day, have a holier than thou attitude or selective understanding of Judaism – these ‘’religious’’ people like to dress up in religious garb and then merrily go around doing everything that is against what they supposedly believe in. Really, you are blind and stupid.

Or to LIVE ? great English for a college educated person as you claim to be .

Charedim dont claim that their moral or that their education is better or they are above everyone else. Firstly lots of people call themselves charedi but do things which disgust everyone (see talulas post) however charedei people dont consider these people to be charedi dont consider these people to be charedi they just 'look charedi' but according to the media because they dress black and white and wear a hat they are charedi. For me calling someone charedi is rasict. Someone who keeps the Torah and mitzvos is simply religous thats it. When the term chardei is then it is already associated with black hats etc.... but never mind some seculars hate charedim with a passion even though they dont know what someone being relious is all about and thats created by the media. However as someone once said in 'the marriv' the biggest rasict are those leftist who are in favour with the human rights and For the palestinans, they are the biggest rasicts against charedim. Look at the 2 education systems? i am not saying which one is better i have lived in tel aviv and jerusalem i can tell you that i have seen demonstrations in 'kikar shabbos' i have seen religious boys playing in the bins. On the other hand i have seen people more protectful of their dog then of people. I have been personally threatened a few times in tel aviv by seculars (and no i wasnt trying to change anyone lifestyle) In short we are all human everyone has to make his own contribution to accept everyone else values. The fact the the way majority of chardeim dont serve in the army is because they have different values!!!

I have read it more than once here , this claim regarding standards . Telling the contrary means that you say i'm a liar , something i can't accept . You can say that those "criminals" don't belong to the charidi world , but most , if not all of them , were , as far as known to me , never expelled from their communities . Some people do things that disgust everyone ? Yes , but what measures are taken against them by their "leaders" ? are they publicly condemned ? [ i'm not talking here about this fake "rabbi" Chen or so ] Oh yes , they are not condemned because for their "leaders" they will be judged by "G-d" , easy excuse i can't accept . They have to condemn them on earth , publicly and expell them , put a cherem on them . You are right when you say that a TRUE believer and follower of the Torah laws will not act badly . They don't serve in the army because they have different values you wrote . Do those Charidim who serve in the IAF don't have Charidi values ? Or are'nt they members of the Charidi community for you , the same as those "criminals" whom you reject also .

than you, you r no secular, you r one of thos Orthodox who believes that his way is the only way, and this among other reasons y people don't like Orthodox.