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Stockholm Jewish leader: Israel caused this mess
Yael Levy
Published: 23.08.09, 13:32
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31. LENA AND YAEL IS RIGHT 1001%
......DACON9   (08.23.09)
LENA AND YAEL IS RIGHT 1001% KEEP QUIET JEWS SHOULD LIVE UNDER THE RADAR SCREEN DONT MAKE WAVES AND MAYBE JUST MAYBE THERE WILL NOT BE ANOTHER HITLER Here is my proof. Jews in germany should never have been doctors or lawyers or scientist or bankers or artists or artists TO IMPROVE THE WORLD THEIR COMMUNITY AND PERSONAL STANDING Jews should never have studied Talmud . NO ! If JEWS WERENT SO SMART AND MADE NONE OF THOSE ACHIEVEMENTS USINGINTELLIEGENCE ENDOWED BY HASHEM...... HITLER NEVER WOULD HAVE NOTICED...... SO THIS TIME WE HAVE TO BE DUMB.... ITS THE JEWS FAULT ! now the moral of the story. It is our fault because we do not recognize GD OF ISRAEL ANYMORE. THIS IS HOW HASHEM SLAPS OUR FACE.....TO BRING US CLOSER TO 'HIM'
32. freedom of speech in Sweden
Jim Haggard ,   Raleigh NC   (08.23.09)
While freedom of speech is important, that freedom must never include the right to lie about others in an effort to harm or discredit them. To allow it to continue while saying it is not a big deal is a terrible mistake. Our fellow Jews in Sweden should understand that the hatred spread by a few in Sweden toward Jews reflects on all Jews. In this case, I agree with Israel. I will add that I do not always agree with the Israeli government's actions.
33. I visited Sweden. It is a racist and anti-Semitic country
Rick ,   USA   (08.23.09)
Nothing more, nothing less. Jews are simply hiding under the table. Stinken country
34. #27 What was Malmo about if not anti Semitism?
GZLives   (08.23.09)
Sweden has plenty of Anti Semitism which they all know comes straight out of their Muslim population which no one there would dare try to reign in since they would then be accused of Islamophobia which is seen as racist and fascist and would be cause for attacks. Sweden seems to be out of control in the hands of the far left and we all know how the Left feels about Israel. But the Muslims in Sweden are the protected minority and many double standards are practiced to protect them. For example here's one of many examples: "In 2006, when Chancellor of Justice Göran Lambertz discontinued his preliminary investigation regarding anti-Semitism at the great mosque in Stockholm. He wrote that "the lecture at hand contains statements that are strongly degrading to Jews, among other things, they are throughout called brothers of apes and pigs." Furthermore a curse is expressed over the Jews and "Jihad is called for, to kill the Jews, whereby suicide bombers – celebrated as martyrs – are the most effective weapon." Lambertz thought that the "recently mentioned statements in spite of their contents are not to be considered incitement against an ethnic group according to Swedish law." His conclusions were that the preliminary investigation should be discontinued because this incitement against Jews could be said to originate from the Middle East conflict." So the rights of Swedish Jews were sacrificed for the new Muslim immigrants. It stands to reason that articles like the blood libel would be printed to entertain this new protected group with stories that they don't think are lies. In fact the blood libel is a story that reinforces everything they already believe ... and so the Swedish newspaper prints it. Makes perfect sense. Sweden has an enormous audience for this poison now and because the Left in Sweden is prominent, the country is quickly self destructing. Malmo where gangs of Leftists and Muslims rioted in the streets had no fear of the police. In fact it appeared on the available news video, that it was the police who feared them. The Swedes here defending this article seem to want to pretend none of this is happening in the country they are becoming the minority in.
35. Lena you are an idiot....
Shamil Benyaminov ,   NYC, Brooklyn   (08.23.09)
BTW do you also hold PHD degree is some bull shit too, because lately all the academics all they know is how to put down Israel. Occupation, there no occupation morons. You know that Israel original size is a lot bigger then what we have now.
36. Anti-Semitism in Sweden/Stupidity in Israel
lynne ,   Austin Texas USA   (08.23.09)
Yes, freedom of speech, but the Swedish government should distance itself from this distasteful, libelous article. The real issue is the anti-semitic feelings in Sweden, which is constantly displayed. The response from Israel should simply be at this point to deny press passes to this particular reporter. As to Lena's response to the situation, she hopes that by ignoring the anti-semitism in Sweden it will go away or "not get too bad". The Jewish people in Europe have tried that and the failure of that tactic can be seen in the murder of Jews by the millions by some of the good European people for whom hatred of Jews was a constant, unwavering philosophy. I will say that my views on Sweden have undergone a material change and I will boycott their products from now on and it certainly won't be a travel destination for me. As to the IDF, STOP performing autopsies! Stop!!! It is unnecessary and disrespectful. I condemn that practice. How stupid!!!!
37. 5.. Don't understand a damn word of your incoherent talkback
(08.23.09)
38. 19 are u a piece aof drek, a moron or both?
(08.23.09)
39. Swedish jewish "leader" suffers from STOCKHOLM SYNDROME
jae ,   Lynn US   (08.23.09)
She blames the victim (report accuses Israel), not the pepetrator (anti semitic blood libel that hearkens to the oft repeated anti semitic European habit of accusing jews for murdering Christian girls to make their matzah for passover )
40. we saw the video of Israel supporters lady...
Golan ,   Israel   (08.23.09)
The Jews had permit to rally, they did it with dignity and within the law, without incitement and brought the "positive message" that Israel wants peace. The Arabs counter protested with anti Semitic slurs and threats, even threw a shock bomb AT THE POLICE! who instead of chasing the violent Arabs away chased the Jews away! What do you call that? Democracy? Rule of law? I call it cowardice and anti-Semitic because if we did that we would have been chased away!
41. Lena Posner: Resign !
(08.23.09)
42. forget the swedish government...
leah ,   beersheva, israel   (08.23.09)
and sue the newspaper and/or writer for libel. apparently you have to write things that are true if you're going to publish them...
43. bringing up the holocaust?
leah ,   beersheva, israel   (08.23.09)
i'm afraid blood libel has been around a lot longer than the past 60 years. i think a civil suit against the newspaper and writer would be nice. and had the swedish government not condemned the mohammed cartoons i might forgive them for not condemning this.
44. #28 and your threats
Annika ,   Sweden   (08.23.09)
You must mean to free gaza from the tyranny of hamas, but sorry, I won't help with that, that's their own doing and job. We've invested far too much money there already which only goes to weapon to kill Israelis and their bank accounts in Switzerland. And since I'm not Jewish, your threat/dream I guess will not apply to me.
45. The debate in Sweden
Adam ,   Stockholm, Sweden   (08.23.09)
When the article on the IDF was published in the tabloid Aftonbladet there was a very strong reaction in the other major newspapers, Sydsvenska Dagbladet (Southern Sweden's major daily), Dagens Nyheter (Stockholms first daily) and Svenska Dagbladet (Stockholms second daily), the blogs, accussing Aftonbladet of being antisemitic. From the viewpoint of the jews in Sweden the debate was going the right way, the pressure was on Aftonbladet. When Lieberman started to pressure the Swedish Government to condemn Aftonbladet the debate was lost. Then it became about not succoumbing to foreign pressure. Even several hardline pro-israeli blogs were complaining about the Israeli government. It is a copy of the Swedish debate about the Muhammed Caricatures. The Swedish Government did not want to condemn the publication of Muhammed caricatures when pressured by arab countries and people in Sweden thought that was a good position. I hope you can see the Swedish debate in that context.
46. "Antisemitism here not so bad"; Shoah talk "unhelpful to us"
Dr. L. Brnd ,   San Diego, USA   (08.23.09)
The Jews in Iran make these same comments, exactly. Thank you, Ms. Posner, for your courage in using the appropriate "safe" code phrases to let the world know just what is going on in Sweden. You are not alone. And we know what must be done. Stay safe, and please consider Aliyah or at least coming to America. There is no future left for Jews in Sweden.
47. Israek is supposed to respond to this hate
GB ,   OCeania   (08.23.09)
The protocols created Mein Kampf and Mein Kampf created the holocaust- there is a straight line form the ancient hatred to the latest article. I know most swedes hold this opinion and I know Swedish Jews will feel uncomfortable with Israel's response. BUt the Jews of Sweden will not be in Sweden in even 20 years. THere will be more Jews in Poland than Sweden, the Jewish story in Western Europe is over. Isn't it interesting the Swedish government raced to denounce the Prophet Mohammed cartoons but cannot find the spine to simply state a report in their own papers is made up hate speech. Europe's policies are simple to understand: it is not about supporting a Palestinian state it is about destroying the Jewish state. Once you look at their deeds and words in that light everything they say and do makes perfect sense. EVERY European Foreign Ministry is an enemy of the Jews. Their forebears sat silent at Evian and their descendants denounce Israel at every turn. The proof for this is right before your eyes: they fund the industry that creates the lies and then denounces Israel for the imagined sins. As for Israel's security in the future, Israel should announce that if Israel is hit with an Iranian nuke, Israel's second strike will be directed against the enemy who nuked Israel AND the countries that supplied the technology or funding for the bomb. That should make Stockholm and Berlin and Vienna find morality where none exists today.
48. Sue fo Libel
aspacia ,   Sin City   (08.23.09)
Carol Burnett won a lawsuit against the National Enquirer, and Israel should sue the paper for libel. Any compensation paid should go to an Israeli charity.
49. #16 Bill Foonman has lost it
Joel   (08.23.09)
Your argument is this: 1) Swedish policies sixty years ago were of a certain nature 2) Because of this, all swedes act in a certain manner today Can you spot where you went wrong?
50. Israelis should boycott Ikea
Lana ,   Israel   (08.23.09)
51. # 40 and the rally in Malmö
Adam ,   Stockholm, Sweden   (08.23.09)
I attended the pro-Israel rally in Malmö. It is correct that the police did not do their job the first time. However, we arranged a second rally and the police really showed that they had learned their lesson. We could carry out the rally and when the arabs tried to interrupt us the Malmö police came in full force to break up the anti-israeli rally. Parliamentarians from the liberal party, member of the Goverment coalition, spoke at our rally and in support if Israel. A Swedish member of teh European Parliament did the same. I was and still am a proud Swedish citizen and Jew.
52. To # 4 What a disgusting, leftist, getto jew answer
Shamil Benyaminov ,   NYC, Brooklyn   (08.23.09)
Mike, I agree with you 100%.
53. There is a difference between free speech and DEFAMATION
chezki ,   NY   (08.23.09)
54. Swedish problem
Robbin ,   Boston, MA   (08.23.09)
I was born and raised in Sweden, and I wish I hadn't been. I left as soon as I was able to, and I hope I never have to return again. It's not about anti-semitism, it's about ignorance. Sweden is probably the most ignorant industrialized nation in the world. The fact that you can be prime minister and not even have a university degree ought to tell people something, but it doesn't. You cannot expect these people to understand the holocaust or anything else if it is not being taught properly. The fact that they have a highly irresponsible immigration policy that has led to muslims being the fastest growing population in Sweden might have something to do with it. Now they are more concerned with offending muslims than actually standing up for what's right. That is unlikely to change. Frankly, Nazis taking over as the ruling party would be an upgrade over the Social Democrats and the Moderates, at least they have a backbone. It's not my problem anymore, and I'll spend the rest of my life trying to forget about ever being affiliated with such ignorance and denial. If you're intelligent, Sweden is not for you.
55. Sweden will get what it deserves and we will remember
Frank ,   USA   (08.23.09)
56. To Mikael 27
Ricardo Macher ,   KarneiShomron-Israel   (08.23.09)
Who seems to don't understand is you! How would you define Israel if not the land of the Jews? Jews all over wept foe centuries to come back to OUR land. Seems to be that you and Mrs. Posner feel nothing for the Land of Israel! I do know the story of Peter and the wolf, but I also know the story about the man who saw that they were coming for the blacks and he didn't care because he was not black; then they came for the homosexuals and he didn't care since he wasn't homosexual; when they came for the Jews, there was nobody left to defend him! Please understand that if you represent the Bund in XXI century you are anachronistic and condemned to see your grand children baptised!
57. Swedish constitution, antisemitism
Pär ,   Umeå, Sweden   (08.23.09)
The fact is that if the Swedish government would review this news article, this would be a violation of the Swedish constitution. Swedish politicians may express their personal views on the matter but not the opinion of the government. It is the editor of Aftonbladet who is responsible and who this rage should be directed against. My personal view is that the article should not have been published unless the journalist had very good evidence to back it up. Which does not appear to be the case. On a second note: yes anti-Semitism exists in Sweden as in many other countries. Such views are, however, not widespread as suggested by some on this forum. This is simply untruthful and absurd. Anti-Semitic views are considered extremist in Sweden. Sweden is a secular country where extremist views in general are uncommon. It is true that many Swedes are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause as they are now experiencing much the same hardship as the Israeli people previously has. This support does not mean that Swedes in general condone Palestinian terrorist attacks, quite the opposite. Sweden has long been involved and supported negotiations to try to find a lasting peace.
58. Israel did not pitch against swedes' freedom of speech ...
Moshe ,   Haifa Israel   (08.23.09)
It just expected (and justly so) an official condemnation - from the Swedish Government - of the despicable filth emitted under "freedom of speech" The Swedish govmnt knew well how to condemn the Prophet Mohamad's caricatures - while defending the freedom of speech - but could not bring themselves to administer the same decency with the Jews - interesting asymmetry
59. zero tolerance
Josef ,   Göteborg sweden   (08.23.09)
Dear Lena and Anders I think you are utterly wrong. that we in Sweden must apply silence, it is zero tolerance against anti-Semitism that must be our standard. The methods of keeping quiet have been used before without any success. You are wrong that it was the Israeli Government that started this all. it was a group of anti-anti-Semitic people in Sweden, that made the world aware of the Swedish daily’s behaviour
60. @ 54 and the uneducated comments here in general
Mike ,   Sweden   (08.24.09)
54: Growing up with your eyes closed? If you attack swedish education you should know that the average education level is no higher in the US. And we don´t have nearly as many illiterates. And now you are laying down the holocaust card once more, eh? You must have felt very lonely in Sweden with all that intelligence of yours... Sure, the vast number of muslim immigrants entering Sweden takes a big toll on the nation, but these people arrive here due to the mess USA and Israel is causing in the Middle-east. So you want us to treat this minority bad but the jewish one good? Funny btw to see so many experts on Sweden here, your comments are laughable at best. Many of you say the initial article was full of lies and should therefore not be allowed to be printed, yet you seem to believe in old jewish holy texts. Oh my. Many of you don´t seem to understand the principles of freedom of speech, maybe since you grew up with all this nationalistic propaganda? From my experiance with swedish jews I was under the impression that jews on average are well educated (had a lot of jews in my school), judging by the comments here it doesn´t seem to be an international trend. or is this a tabloid paper for the uneducated? a lot of twentieth century nationalism floating around; they same kind of nationalism that lead to the rise of the Third Reich... Israel, number one prospect for a fourth Reich. Welcome to the twentiethfirst century when you eventually get there!
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