it happend in south lebanon and in Gaza, no need to continu with something that can harm other innocent Israelis. while hamas continue to shoot rockets since cast lead ended.

Judge Goldstone's biased and anti-Israel report has done our country a tremendous amount of harm. However, is has shown us who our real friends are and now we know that there are very few countries that Israel can count on. You can probably countb them on one hand and I am not so sure about including the USA, the UK and the EU! The concept of Israel leaving the UN and breaking off ties with countries like Turkey ans Sweden might be called "isolationist" by some but the question must be asked if continuing ties with the UN and countries like Sweden, Turkey and others is really in our interests? Turkey threatens Israel with fines for not providing them with drones or UAV's but again is it in our best interest to provide the Turks with weapons and technology that they and their new allies, Syria and Iran, can an will use against us? The Turks, the Government, the media and the people, have made their hatred of Israel quite clear and so it is stupid for us to bend over backwards to this fast becoming Islamic Fundamentalist country.

Goldstein's conclusion won't influence other countries and will never be applied elsewhere. Goldstein was paid to "investigate" and conclude that Israel was guilty as part of the war to exterminate the Jews. Other countries will continue to defend their interests without fear.

Luckily enough, Richard Goldstone is a jew, otherwise Israel would have accused him of anti-semitism. "UN report could bury every democracy confronted by terror " Israel's democracy is very similar to Hamas democracy in Gaza, which is limited to free elections. Demoncracy is a far bigger term than elections and you cannot call a country that is built on a certain ideology (dogmatic regimes) a democratic country such as Israel or Zionism. If Israel is so fed up with the international comunity then its time to take off its mask of modernism and show its real face to the world, only then no one would blame Israel for any wrong doing (as in Hamas case).

be burried !! UN report could only bury fake democracy like the one in Israel !!!

Kudos for een excellent article. Completely accurate. Goldstone (or rather his handlers!!!) launched an all-out attack not only on Israel but on every democracy faced with terror attacks.

Every breathing thinking human on the planet knows this is to punish Israel and only Israel. Any other country could wage genocide on people and get away with it, and they do.

how can israel be called a "democracy" when it wants to be known as a jewish state? What about the muslim and christian citizens of israel? how can israel be called a "democracy" when it does not internationally-defined borders? how can israel be called a "democracy" when it illegally occupies other peoples land? Calling israel a democracy would be like calling egypt a democracy. Its preposterous and ridiculous!

he was the only jew.

They wrote: "(The Report) is already discouraging average Israelis from going along with the next big step desired by the international community: Israel’s withdrawal from West Bank strategic real estate adjacent to every major population center in the Jewish state." This is a good thing, isn't it? Cooper, Brackman: "No democratically-elected Israeli leader could afford to be blamed for opening Israel to more terror even as it would suffer another round of condemnations as “an occupying power” by the next Judge Goldstone." Exactly. In a surprising turn, they then ask president Obama: "Do you really want to risk Judge Goldstone’s meddling, not only derailing the Mideast peace process....?" If as these two men (rightly) assert, the "peace" process will open Israel to more terror even as it would suffer another round of condemnations as “an occupying power,” why would we want anything other than to derail the "peace" process?

parliament allready the majority aka jews determind the definition of the state, like in any democracy, for example france Chritian state even though she got muslims immigrants. as for west bank they got their own rulling what happened there is their problem not Israel.

First of all Article 51 still falls within the remit of "proportionality" meaning that a country may defend itself but that doesn't mean it can obliterate it's enemy (for example, if a commando group attacked an army base from another country it would not be legal for the defending country to firebomb the capital of the aggressor country and kill tens of thousands of civilians). Secondly, it has been widely concluded and agreed upon by the security agencies of the USA that counter-terrorism is better handled by organizations like the FBI, CIA, and Justice Dept rather than the Marines. It has also been widely agreed that the invasion in Iraq as part of the "war on terror" was counter-productive and diverted resources away from counter-terrorism because they were being redirected to Marines fighting insurgents (and hence providing al-Qaeda with the best training camp they've had since the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan; as evidence I present the increased use of vehicle borne suicide bombers pioneered in Iraq and now used in Afghanistan and Pakistan). Thirdly, why is it the default position that should we agree to the establishment of a Palestinian State in the West Bank then the next phase would be rocket attacks on Tel-Aviv. Where is the evidence for this bombastic claim? Hamas has been firing rockets since 2001. There is precedent for rocket fire from Gaza; there is no such precedent for such attacks from the West Bank. Finally, the Goldstone Report is a reminder to us that we must always keep in mind our own international legitimacy when engaging in warfare (which we did not). The war lasted two weeks too long and we're paying the price for this. We also didn't factor in that Bush was leaving in January. Some strategic mistakes were made and we blundered. On a final note Israel (and its supporters like these two right-wing geriatrics) have failed to take note of the profound changes that have taken place within the last year and a half. The most notable being that no Western government official (not even in Bush's final year when Condi Rice had his ear) has used the expression "war on terror." Perhaps, instead of trying to be nostalgic for a time that was we should update our lexicon and adopt more muscular diplomacy (meaning having the balls to call the Palestinian bluff by freezing settlement construction) Obviously none of the TBers here will listen to this because as far you're all concerned Israel should become like North Korea.

AN OPEN LETTER TO MR JUSTICE RICHARD GOLDSTONE-In SA JEWISH REPORT 15 OCTOBER 09 Dear Richard, I have long withheld a little known fact, fearing its disclosure may be misconstrued as self-serving. I feel it should now be told. In the final gasps of the apartheid regime, the Wiesenthal Centre discovered a German neo-Nazi money-trail to send hired killers to South Africa. You were prominent among the eight names on the hit list, though it was too late for ANC/Communist leader, Chris Hani. In 1993, you hosted me to a thank-you dinner at the Carlton Hotel in Johannesburg. I now regret that lost opportunity and my lack of foresight to point out to you how the term “apartheid” could never be applied to Israel, and any attempt to do so would constitute an identity theft of South Africa’s own tragic narrative. But you knew all this from your many Zionist affiliations. Richard, you are the golden goose of the financial crisis for psychoanalysts throughout the Diaspora. Jews lie on their couches, ubiquitously mouthing the word “Why?” Some think you are a prisoner of the “Stockholm syndrome”, intimidated by the Carter-Tutu gang. Others see a narcissist’s dream of Goldstone for UN Secretary-General. Richard, if that were so, the anti- Semites would surely perceive your report as part of the Jewish conspiracy, for you to eventually defend Israel from the General Assembly podium. But I fear the worst, that, as an apostle of the Human Rights theological curia, you are convinced that you are right. This would then mean that you had lost the capacity to distinguish between the nuances of war. Israel committed errors still under investigation. You, however, took the testimony of tainted witnesses as gospel for a report that was predetermined as self-fulfilling prophecy. Perhaps unintended, but the consequences of your presentation to the UN Human Rights Council, through the infinite repetition of the Internet, carry the potential for toxic repercussions not only for Israel but, by association, further attacks on Jews globally. When Simon Wiesenthal was asked: “What was a Jewish Kapo?”, he responded simply: “A Kapo”. The same sense of abandonment applies for the loss of every Israeli turned anti-Zionist or any example of Jewish deviance - and there have been many in our history. I am gratified that we once had the opportunity to assist you in an hour of danger, and pray for you to swiftly recant in order to return to the ranks of your people. Shimon Samuels Director for International Relations Simon Wiesenthal Centre, Paris

Has Mr. Goldstone any idea whats modern warware? What does he think that after eight long years of constant bombing with Kassam rockets, we should throw back in Gaza?

IGNORANCE IS POWER TERROR IS LOVE GOLDSTAIN IS ANGSOC Today is 35.49.1984

The Error-!) Modern Warfare 2) Throw back stones. Sorry N.E.Samuel

The chief rabbi of South Africa, Warren Goldstein, the Jerusalem Post reports, has blasted fellow countryman Judge Richard Goldstone's report on Israel's assault on Hamas last winter as "a disgrace to the most basic notions of justice, equality and the rule of law." In an op-ed for The Jerusalem Post, Goldstein, who also holds a PhD in human rights law, notes that the report "uses the veneer of respectability that comes with legal methodology, and with the presence of an internationally respected judge, to gain credibility." Citing recent history close to home, he adds that "the South African Apartheid Government was very legalistic in its approach to racial oppression, and was punctilious about promulgating proper laws, and about maintaining a fully functioning judiciary to give the façade of respectability to its repugnant policies." In the case of the Goldstone mission, the chief rabbi writes, "careful analysis reveals that the legalities utilized are merely a cover for a political strategy of delegitimizing Israel... Any civilized legal system requires that justice be done on two levels: procedural and substantive. The Goldstone mission is replete with procedural and substantive injustices." Goldstein sets out a series of alleged procedural injustices and, as regards substantive injustices, writes that the Goldstone panel imputes "the worst of intentions to the actions of the State of Israel, finding that Israel's conduct was motivated by a desire to repress and oppress, and to inflict suffering upon the Palestinian people, and not primarily for the purpose of self-defense. It does this without any evidence and then, without any supporting evidence, asserts that many of Israel's military operations, such as that of Lebanon, were motivated by the same goal." By contrast, as regards the Palestinians, he goes on, "there is very clear evidence as to Hamas's intentions - the Hamas charter openly calls for the destruction of Israel, irrespective of borders. It also calls for the murder of all Jews worldwide. Hamas's clear intention was to murder as many Israeli civilians as possible and to use its own civilian population as human shields. But not a word of Hamas's expressly stated intentions appears in the report." The various procedural and substantive injustices, argues Goldstein, demonstrate a "complete lack of integrity and fairness of the process. It looks like law, but it is not. It is just politics." Full article: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1255450652253&pagename=JPost/...

....say out-loud is Israel has been turned straight into the victimizer in a world who is none to eager to once and for all leave Jews alone; to let us have peace and give us the right to defend ourselves. It is now impossible to defend ourselves to selacious slurs not to mention rocket and suicide attacks because the world in which we live is hell bent on siding with those who wish us ill.... where proof we are the victims means nothing to them because they themselves hate our guts. Of course the real irony here remains clear as day: truth is now so obscured by lies that lies have become the new truth. The straight forward reasoning by Abraham Cooper and Harold Brackman make perfect sense. Having said that, the self imposed blindness coupled with innate Antisemitism by much of the world trumps straight forward reasoning. And there my friends lies the rub. Appeasing terrorists giving them wings and justification while at the same time demonizing Jews is the norm. Divesting from and boycotting Israel is the soup dejour!! Even if nothing comes of the evil Goldstone report, we are screwed. The die is cast.

Goldstone accepted gazan testimony without cross examination, without heairng fully from the other side. His report is garbage, designed to earn him 1 million dollars and to obtain visiting professorships. Well, he can visit amman, damascus, ankara and get office facitlities. But goldstone, be informed, they all hate jews as erdogan has proven. Know that in your retirement, you have done more to harm Israel than all the terror has.And don't visit israel anytime soon.

Brilliant letter. Good for you! Mazel Tov. On the other side, it means nothing. NO ONE HEARS our cries again!! NO ONE CARES. While our families were screaming for help in the 30's prior to the Shoah while surely the handwriting was on the wall the world looked the other way. They didn't care. History does repeat itself. Our pleas while a valve for those of us who care only releases our anxiety and deep sense of obligation. However, those pleas awaken no one. By the day we become more the pariah. Is the handwriting again on the wall?? INDEED it is.

Clarity means squat. Facts to see and read right before the eyes of the world mean nothing with blinders! The world threw clarity out the window long ago when they discovered the best way to get back at Jews is through the Palestinian cause. Why else would the world support a people whose charter calls for throwing us to the sea? Why else would the world ignore hard and fast facts? Even pictures which show all of Israel, Palestine. The real goal of the Palestinian cause is if they can't kill us off at least make us void, isolated and hated. Truly, I no longer hold the Palestinian people and their ruthless hateful terrorist leaders nearly as responsible for their crimes as much as those who continue to whitewash and enable them. We can ourselves fight the Palestinians in order to gain security and peace. We can even take on the rest of the Arab world and Iran if we need to. Where we completely lose the fight is in the hearts and minds of nearly the rest of the world.

all the countries that fought it, there would not be enough people left to attack her again and THERE WOULD BE PEACE. FOOLS came up with the idea that you can't KILL all the enemy that attacked you. Yes you can and it is the right thing to do, eliminate once and for all the desire for more war at a later date.

Mohamad from Jordan (#4) writes, "If Israel is so fed up with the international comunity then its time to take off its mask of modernism and show its real face to the world" This from the country that killed thousands of Palestinians in 1970-71 (the Black September period). Mind you, I understand the desire to crush the PLO which sought to overthrow the Hashemites. But such moral arrogance that ignores the Arabs' own history is rich. Note: I was in Israel in '71 when PLO forces, fleeing Jordanian retribution, crossed the Jordan to surrender to the IDF.

Nobody would want to be in his shoes!

to Mr Goldstone on Yom Kippur @ shul, is that a bad thing? I still think and always will think that Israel should leave the UN, pull a big Zap sign at the rest of the world and live for life not death like Turkey and Sweden want

Mr. Goldstone obviously thinks a Jew will be appointed secretary general of the anti-semetic u.n. He has his head to far up his "tush" to see any reality . His narcissism "above alles"

The UN has NO POWER to enforce anything. They are not the world's judge and jury. Goldstone is not the judge of the world. This report will have power over democracies *only* if the democracies allow it. No government has to abide by this report. It's ludicrous to even think of being hemmed in by this report.

sure under the mask there is different faces this is in the first in the second ..actions of any body will give the real face thirs iam nancy and you are not mohammad .the name is like the mask do not hide any thing

You can see the hate drip from it like a poisonous venom. This is the ugly face of a self hater.

The US, England and the other countries fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, have killed tens of thousands of people, or caused their deaths when Saddam was deposed. Where is Goldstone's report I ask? Why are not US and other leaders referred to the World Court? Where is the Security Council? Goldstone should have excluded himself from the get go...knowing the repercussions. Let the gentile world blast the Jews. But everything coin has 2 sides. This is a warning to Israel..( and add Turkey's and Spain's about face )..know your friends. Hamas and Hez will take advantage.and start firing missiles again/kidnap Israeli Jews. Israel will have to act swiftly and decisively..no cease fires. Perhaps shorter wars might be smart? Israel can hit much harder w/o tieing up troops. With Jihadists prevailing throughout the world, this is the last thing the US needed right now. Islamic-fascism and Jew hating is in vogue..(substitute NAZIsm with Islamo-fascism.. Their goals are the same.