Would it come from a serious guy , a person who admits what he is , i could consider it to be slander . but "he" ? This guy also invites "goyim" to his nest , not knowing that for TRUE Jews , when they say Goyim , it's pejorative . So he even insults those he "invites" .

That's also what i think and wrote in my # 8 . Some of the seculars have left their religious life , others had'nt any religious , or even Jewish , education at all . Here at least we all have the Jewish holidays . Pesach , the liberation of slavery , and so on .

Sorry, I don't get it. I am Jewish because that is "what I am "- well, third in line. First I am human being, then woman (myself), then Jew. It's an identity factor. Then the other item: If you don't believe in God then you are not religious and if you do believe in God, you are religious. Sorry, but not true. I am very secular and believe whole heartedly in God - even felt God's presence at certain times. I pray some too, but in any place that I find convenient for relevant prayer - mainly for the safety and health of family members. So, it's not so cut and dry, is it ?

more than likely it's because you have ancestors who were religiously Jewish and passed on what you call Jewish culture or Jewish identity to you. Each generation that is not religious loses more of that and eventually it's totally gone. But until that point, one can be Jewish culturally. It's just not a recipe for sustaining a Jewish identity.

Doesn't matter how much secular Jews what to take out G-d from Judaism, they will just ceasse to exist. Every fad has it's own life only Judaism lives for 3500 years!!

I would like to say that all jews have a distinct identity whether or not you have been born in eretz yisroel or not. our identity is buried deep undeneath the skin. No matter what you say or discuss will not change the facts. our identity is woven into our blood and fabric , so our jouney continues and all the un-answered questions remain. But after 4 000 years of travelling, and now back at home, you would realize one thing in the diaspora, that we are not back home for nothing and that if people were so confused about there identity then why would they bother with being jewish in the first place. I think this is about israeliness not jewishness. So the idea here is that our identity is alive and well , whether secular or religous our connection to devine and culture is of the same , being a jew is in the blood and in the heart so whether your connection is one way or the other its not to be realistically defined into terminology, it is a gift from above that we celebrate on the earth and actually told to do so by our sacred texts. we are told to celebrate the seasons and live the culture according to the torah, its not questionable, one can only define there own self from which ever end of the scale they are at. But at the end of it being jewish can be a burden to all especially with tasks not imaginable to us in the diaspora. So as we are meant to act like humans and not like divinity people liveing in israel must be so awe struck that the most human of all qualities takes its shape and that is simply being in a state of denial, whilst the national language is is hebrew. GO FIgure.........,

I've been reading your posts for at least three years. I have not really seen paqid Yermeyahu slander you. I have seen him put you in your place and when you were right I have seen him comment positively in your favor. The slander comes from people who prejudge others. Maybe you should check things out. I believe the proof is there but you have to search it out. Please stop slandering others. According to Torah, Esau is not Jewish because he spurned the Brith. Esau is the fore father of the Greeks and Romans, Western Civilization and some of the Arabs (He married one of Ishmael's daughters).

The writer Efrat Shapira-Rosenberg calls herself 'a religious person' yet says it is obvious to her that Gavison is right in espousing the need to neutralize the element of G d from Judaism. It is obvious to me that anyone who is ready to jettison G d yet considers themselves religious is very confused - unless they are religiously atheistic.

It is interesting that Ynet News prints articles attacking anything Orthodox almost daily. But why? Why not live and let live? This article provides an answer. Ynet is driven by a fear of the inevitable that secular atheists of Israel share with the Moslems of the Old City - that many irreligious will continue their emigration and the ones remaining will have their 1.5 children, while the religious will remain and continue having 6 or 7 children. Israel will sudddenly have not only a religious majority but a large one. The Temple will then be rebuilt and Israel will cease being secular to Ynet's horror. I doubt Ynet has enough integrity to print this!

are Jews. Others, he said, say they are Jews but are not. The language of heaven is Hebrew and only those who become Jews in their hearts can be a part of that glorious nearness to the Lord of glory. Purging the Jewish aspects of Rabbi Yeshua's faith does not lead to heaven. It led multitudes to hell. One sign of true faith (among others) is honoring the Shabbat of the Lord which is the seventh day of the week and only Israel as a nation does that. Only Judaism and faiths that are Jewish in their hearts like Messianics and Adventists keep the Shabbat of the Lord. That is very telling. Hell had to be enlarged there are so many people going there, many of whom have no idea they are being deceived in religions they think are true.

Where did i say that this guy slanders me ? his moral and Jewish level is to low for this . He has ONCE said that i'm a good Jew , that was before i realise what kind of guy he is . That was some years ago . When did he comment positively on my writings ? I do not prejudge anybody , but my opinion is based on his OWN writings and what he did and wrote in his site .

She is a Christian who likes to think that she's a Jew!!

around here and she observ jewish custom more than you so back off, you forget that the first chritians were jews they had to pray in catacombs cause the Romans didn't allow open jewish chritian religious rituals.

Ynet can't get used to secular left arguments being shown intellectually vacuous. When secular left starts getting clobbered, ynet cuts off the argument from the religious. Sticking to the facts to defend truth is not slander. Dissent isn't slander unless it consists of misrepresentations and false charges. Neither Charles nor Mike nor any other has ever been able to quote (rather than misrepresent through paraphrasing with a straw man agenda) any false statement--contrary to facts or reason--made by me. If they did, I'd correct it. Instead, they always resort to ad hominems and slander--because they have no serious response. Slander and ad hominem are prima facie evidence of intellectual bankruptcy. Ad hominems and slander don't change facts. What I am wouldn't change the facts for Charles or Mike (or anyone else) if I was a software program residing in some computer hard disk. Charles admits he's an atheist and the paradigm of Esau=Edom(ite), who was a goy, is demonstrated in Tanakh. It's Tanakh that defines you, not me. I'm merely the messenger you like to shoot at because you cannot, have never, and will never be(en) able to intelligently rebut the issues. Shooting at me is a waste of everyone's time and shows that you're intellectually devoid of any sensible answer--as you have been for years. For those who didn't know, true Jews accept Tanakh definitions: goy means a people and Tanakh also calls the Jews a goy among the goyim (plural: peoples). It only becomes pejorative when a hate-monger makes it so... like Charles stated he understands it. Self-indicting. True Jews maintain religious Havdalah from goyim but have compassion, not hatred, for goyim. Charles imputing his hatred of goyim to me is typical misrepresentation, straw man and slander. It is a well established legal principle that no one may make charges against an individual without evidence. I don't need to prove baseless charges wrong. Produce evidence proving your charges. The internet has been a "wild west" chaos of anonymous slanderers, liars and deceivers almost since its inception. However, it is changing. Slander lawyers are now starting to win cases; recently even forcing websites to reveal the computer identification of anonymous posters. The times, they are a changin. This is a slam dunk if I can find a lawyer I can afford, or find a way to afford the lawyer I found. "no Chuppah Kedushah when he got married" In fact, there was and you have not only slandered me but also my wife and my Israeli born Jewish daughter AND the Orthodox rabbi who married us. "Self proclaimed convert without any serious proof" Copies of ALL of the relevant Orthodox documentation has been in the hands not only of the Ministry of Interior since our aliyah in 1985 but also in the hands of the va'ad of the Orthodox Yemenite beit k'nesset (synagogue) here in Ra'anana, Moreshet Avot, for more than 10 years. Israeli gov't documentation (that required Orthodox documentation when I made aliyah in 1985) has been available in my website closer to 20 years. Not to mention a letter of blessing from Rav Eliyahu--which critics try to dismiss--insulting the Rav by insinuating he didn't know what he was doing. I've been a member in good standing, with my nameplate on the back of my seat, at Beit K'nesset Moreshet Avot more than 10 years. If anyone can recommend a good slander lawyer out of a sense of justice--anyone who's serious about getting to the truth after more than 20 years avoiding it in order to believe what you want to believe based on straw man misrepresentations, false charges and slander--please contact me via my website (Web Cafe blogback). I'll keep you anonymous if you wish. Paqid Yirmeyahu Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Torah-reverer (& Orthodox Jew) Advocate for Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming All Torah-reverers (Jewish & Goyim) www.netzarim.co.il

just because they have different point of view, usually this type of behavior isn't jewish, people have freedom to speek their minds if you don't like it you don't have to TB, but don't tell others they can't speek, this behavior belongs to dictatorship dark middle ages regims. sometimes we here not nice things that's life but by forcing other to listen to only your opinion is disgusting.

although it is impressive he has a chair with a nameplate, it is too bad he can't get anyone of repute to endorse his TEACHINGS (for the umpteenth time). keep up avoiding the issue with his patented straw man/ red herring evidence. you know, if the charge is false, where's the proof to the contrary? in other words, where is a rabbi that says "i endorse the pakeed's teachings"??? (what does an 1985 document have to do with your current teachings?) what a sad little man that resorts to threats when he can't/won't answer a legitimate question.

Your post exemplifies what I've often tried to point out: I believe that there are many moderate Jews who love ha-Sheim (and, I hope, Torah) for whom "the synagogue they don't attend is Orthodox." I think that Orthodox Jews should regard the moderate Jews whom you exemplify as VERY precious to ha-Sheim; ones to welcome and treat warmly and to encourage. Among the Orthodox Jews I know (Teimanim and some Ashkenazim and Sepharadim), they do. I can't think of an exception. Even semantics are an obstacle to communication. "Secular" implies worldly and godless ("of or pertaining to worldly things or to things that are not regarded as religious, spiritual, or sacred; temporal "), which, I think, really doesn't describe a large moderate Israeli center. Does it? The English is a translation of חלונים (khilonim; profane-ones; from חל; khol). Isn't that inaccurate? Do you consider yourself and others similar to you as moderately "traditional?" That has overtones of the Conservative Movement. Moderately "religious" seems a bit inaccurate as well as unpalatable to you? What is the best way to distinguish you from atheists, anti-religious and agnostic "seculars"? Moderate centrist Torah-reverers? יראי ה' (Yirei ha-Sheim; reverers of ha-Sheim)? I wouldn't presume to speak for you why you don't observe the mitzwah, for example, of having a miqra qodesh on Shabbat, but, while I may disagree--which we should be able to do intelligently and courteously--I would very much like to better understand. I've always suspected--perhaps wrongly?--that this moderate center comprises "ha-Sheim lovers" (is there a more accurate description?) who are put off by rabbinic medievalism, Europeanism, superstition, focus on ritual that overlooks the greater principles of Torah and incessant micro-control? Or is it some other reason entirely (materialism, humanism, something else)? I'd also like to better understand how you feel about always being lumped in with atheists, anti-religious and agnostics. Wouldn't you be better described as "moderately traditional" or something similar? I've always felt that this is a core element of the problem; that moderate, ha-Sheim-loving Jews comprise the majority of the public here in Israel. How do you see--or do you see--a large center of moderately ha-Sheim-loving Jews? Not only moderate Jews. Another thing that the anti-religious keep trying to bury is that virtually all Orthodox Jews I've met have a positive--not negative--attitude, tolerance and attempt to understand the goyim (except, of course, misojudaics and political enemies trying to annihilate us). It's Christian (and Islamic) doctrine--and therefore Christians (and Muslims)--who are problematic; not goyim per se. Goyim who leave conflicting doctrines behind and come desiring to learn and live Torah should be given a hearty and warm welcome; and we should, correspondingly, become the Light of Torah to the goyim. It is the hate-mongers (who hate Torah Jews, goyim, Christians and Muslims) and slanderers among us who cause us to be widely hated among the goyim, and add fuel to Arab propaganda. Paqid Yirmeyahu Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Torah-reverer (& Orthodox Jew) Advocate for Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming All Torah-reverers (Jewish & Goyim) www.netzarim.co.il

Then find any Orthodox rabbi and obey him, Christian hypocrite.

your own uncorroborated claim about your teachings as something orthodox judaism endorses. where's the EVIDENCE that your teachings are kosher as you claim? still waiting, but not expecting.

QUOTE where I've ever stated that Orthodox Judaism "endorses" my teachings. You're misrepresenting my position; i.e., back to the fictional straw man you continue to fabricate. What does it matter to you, a Christian? You don't recognize rabbinic authority in any case! A simple case of a Christian trying to discredit an Orthodox Jew because I show the intractable contradictions in Christianity. What I state, by contrast, can be quoted from my website and books: The polar oppositeness of the 1st-century, Torah-teaching Ribi, as distinguished from the 180 degree antithetical post-135 C.E. Hellenist counterfeit--an idol man-gd of the Roman occupiers-- which is the central, historical, pillar of my teachings--IS endorsed, increasingly, by Orthodox rabbis. In my website (click on the "Jews" folder in our home page), you'll find a book that has been (perhaps still is) touted in the "Jews for Judaism" website by R. Michael Skobac that acknowledges this. It's a basic historical fact that is documented by the late Oxford historian, James Parkes and, increasingly, virtually all other historians in the most prestigious universities in the world as well as an ever-increasing number of Orthodox rabbis who realize the need to be historically correct. I also state that my teachings are kasheir meaning that I don't teach anything that is contrary to Torah and Halakhah. The best rabbis have been through my website with a fine-toothed comb. They found one or two things that were ambiguous (and I corrected) plus a number of things they don't agree with--I can't imagine anyone being surprised by that--but NONE of which, they determined (or I'd have been ejected) conflicts with Halakhah. They would disagree that my teachings are "kasheir"; by which, however, they mean "entirely rabbinic"--and they're right about that. I don't agree that Orthodox rabbis are infallible. But a more accurate definition of Torah is "compatible with Halakhah"; and my teachings are. The burden of proof is on anyone who claims differently to prove it. I remain within the bounds of Halakhah and, accordingly, I and my teachings remain within the fold of Orthodox Judaism. Contrary to your Christian misconceptions, disagreement--even with an Orthodox rabbi--is permitted as long as it remains within the bounds of Halakhah. Don't confuse that with "endorsed" by Orthodox Judaism or "endorsed" by any given Orthodox rabbi, which I've never even insinuated. I hold Orthodox rabbis to be the primary torch-bearers of Halakhah; but mathematically-precise logic to be the ultimate arbiter of both Halakhah and rabbis, NOT rabbis being the ultimate arbiter of Halakhah. Rabbis are supposed to be like Rambam, the top logician in the Jewish world. When they fail logic, then logic remains the authoritative determinant of Halakhah. So I'm certainly not going to hold logic as the ultimate authority and then point to a rabbi as authority to "answer to" a Christian (or atheist). Raising the determination of Halakhah to the standard of a mathematically-precise logical interpretation of Torah principles applied in the contemporary world is how we can become again relevant to reverse the rampant assimilation and retrieve the 95+% of intelligent and educated young Jews. If you'd like to be welcomed, Mike, simply abandon your Christian doctrines and the Roman-Hellenist man-gd idol (Jzeus) and leave them behind in order to follow the historical, 1st-century, Torah-teaching, Pharisee Ribi Yehoshua. In any case, Christian, stop presuming to tell Jews who is or isn't a Jew. Paqid Yirmeyahu Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Torah-reverer (& Orthodox Jew) Advocate for Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming All Torah-reverers (Jewish & Goyim) www.netzarim.co.il

Rivkah is a messianic Christian. She is not Jewish. She believes that Jews should believe in JC as Messiah. Do not be fooled by her.

There is no such thing Jewish nation. There is Jewish religion, the Judaism. Zionist movement tried to make from Jewish religious a nation by collecting Judaism believers from all over the world, with totally diverse culture to one identity. Don’t know what is the common between a Jew from Poland and one from Yemen or Ethiopia for example. The blood? As a secular Canadian, my identity and my culture is Canada. I belong to this country and culture, yes we have international culture where Judaism is part of it and I don’t have to be catholic or evangelist to be Canadian. Israeli they don’t have identity that is why they are afraid from going away from religion. Israel is not a legitimate foundation for identity, it is a disputable land regardless how deep the archeologists are digging underground searching for this identity. No religion, no Jewish nation, this is the core of the Zionist ideology where the Judaism is known as the people of God…..and jews are chosen people of God ……….. the rest are garbage. For the third time trying to post this comment and never made it through, looks like the truth hurt from a “anti Semite like me” , right ?

I never saw a serious conversion document on your site , nor here . It's the first time that you mention this one . This letter of "blessing" : not at all true , it's only a polite formula written by the Rav's secretary , not by the Rav himself . A nameplate ?, i can have one too , and even in a very Orthodox Beth Knesseth . All depends on the sum i want to pay . Regarding "goyim" , the term means "people" , yes . But TRUE Jews use this term as a pejorative name . That's why , whem i'm talking about such people , i always use : Gentiles or Non Jews . But this , you can't know nor understand , having no Jewish blood in your body , missing this "Yddishe Neshoume" , not knowing what a "Yddishe Mame" means , and not having received your name at a Beth Knessth when you were born . I was given my TRUE name at a TRUE Orthodox Beth Knesseth by My Father Z.L. .

so you admit you aren't endorsed by orthodox judaism - that's the problem. can't you see that the fine splitting of a hair you're attempting is why everyone (jews of all persuasions) senses something fishy? how can anyone in good conscience say "i'm orthodox" and present their credibility based on orthodox credentials and yet promote something different that orthodox judaism admittedly doesn't agree with? how does your "logic" square the circle on that one? the anti-christian polemics are a nice smokescreen to deflect attention from the places where you diverge from judaism. clever. but that doesn't change the central issue of the unorthodoxy you promote under their flag. and, really, how can you be incredulous when anyone has a problem with that? nobody likes a hypocrite, and if you need your fancy mathematical computer sleight of hand or whatever it is you use to prove that we shouldn't believe our lying eyes, maybe that's why you feel lawsuits are the ticket to solving your problems (no, it just proves you're losing the argument). it is human nature for people to take exception to inconsistencies when they see them, and they know something rotten when they smell it. you're the one out promoting yourself and your admittedly non-endorsed teachings, so the burden of proof is on you to answer (without your anti-christian smokescreen) when people point them out.

Odd that Leonard Cohen should be called a secular Jew. He considers himself an observant Jew as evidenced by the New York Times story on his concert in NY last Spring. It has also been reported that puts on tefillin each day. FInally, his later works evidence a deep spiritual connection with LOVE which for him is God.

But that's not surprising for a Christian is it? What a newsflash! Orthodox rabbis don't agree that Ribi Yehoshua is the Mashiakh. Most don't agree that Rebbe Schneerson is the Mashiakh either. But no reasonable Jew suggests there's something rotten in Khabad. That takes a misojudaic Christian. Orthodox rabbis don't hold that I teach anything contrary to Halakhah (which is Orthodox Judaism). If they did, I would have been castigated and expelled from the Orthodox synagogue... but rabbinic authorities find what I teach is within acceptable bounds of Halakhah (Orthodox Judaism). That's your Christian-agenda ignorance showing--and distorting--again and, frankly, neither the rabbis nor I care what any Christian or atheist thinks. What I think you will never be able to grasp is that in the 1st century it's increasingly well recognized that Ribi--a Pharisee title--Yehoshua was a Torah-teaching Pharisee Ribi. So, I figured out what contra-Halakhah apostasies the Roman idolaters introduced to transform a Torah-teaching Jew, obviously acceptable to Pharisee Halakhah, into an idolatrous man-god and eliminated those elements to restore the teachings of Ribi Yehoshua back to 1st-century Halakhic bounds as set forth in Dead Sea Scroll 4Q MMT in the time of the Great Sanhedrin. Increasingly the rabbis agree that the 1st-century Pharisee Ribi, diametrically unlike the Christian idol, was a good, Torah-teaching Ribi--within the bounds of Halakhah (=Orthodox & Judaism)--and polar opposite of the anti-Torah Christian idol. By eliminating the Christian doctrines, restoring his teachings back within the bounds of 1st-century Halakhah, I and my teachings remain within Halakhah (Orthodox Judaism). The implication, of course, is fatal for you: Christianity is a false and idolatrous distortion of Hellenist Roman occupiers. No wonder you squawk ceaselessly. You're back to your misojudaic Christian routine. Paqid Yirmeyahu Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Torah-reverer (& Orthodox Jew) Advocate for Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming All Torah-reverers (Jewish & Goyim) www.netzarim.co.il

hillarious

Why do every discussion here end up in this tedious quarrel among the same three or four people about who is a kosher Jew?

It's not about who is a "kosher" Jew , it's about one who pretends to be one , that's it . And i dislike [ at least ] people who are'nt "kosher"

Tell me : what is your country made from ? all immigrants without any connection between them . Jews who came to build this State had something in common : they ALL belonged to one people , be they from anywhere in the world . Polish , Ethiopian , religious or not , all were part of this small people that contributed MORE than any other to Humanity .