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Shulamit Aloni: We are a nefarious people
Naama Lanir
Published: 29.11.09, 16:08
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31. Yoni, Most know about the sacrifice of Sderot by Olmert...
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (11.29.09)
...and Bibi. After all, a very affordable means of protection from the vast majority of those rockets has been available for years but was never deployed because of Israel's so-called "Iron Dome" project. Of course the cheapest means of preventing the rockets would be a comprehensive peace deal, or at the very least, ending the siege of Gaza that prompts the homemade projectiles in the first place... The past and current PM's of Israel have been content to keep Sderot just as it is, a pawn, a place that has enshrined fragments of these rockets as "proof" of an "existential" threat from a people that can barely mount any defense at all. And when the vast superiority of Israel's forces are compared to the puny 15,000 or so "militants" that the Palestinians could possibly field, armed with AK-47's, homemade rockets, mortars, and stones, against tanks, F-16's, Apache helicopters, highly explosive guided ordinance including White Phosphorous, DIME munitions, fleschettes etc it becomes ludicrous.
32. Shulamit Aloni
moriah ,   sacto calif   (11.29.09)
Some age gracefully and are some are like rotting fruit on the jungle floor.
33. Are there no mental hospitals in Israel
Ruri   (11.29.09)
I am very sorry for this psychotic lady, I hope she gets the help she needs.
34. Her family should be put in jail for not shuffling this de
mented woman off to ,   a padded cell.   (11.29.09)
35. aloni would have given ...
OZ   (11.29.09)
israel away to the arabs, without any hesitation. over the years she has become even more insane in her views then before. the fact that ynet finds the time and resources to interview thisdisgussting, vile, appalling person, is a mystery to me and others.
36. Only an ignoramous would say such a thing
Sidney ,   USA   (11.29.09)
'What we are doing in the West Bank is worse than all the pogroms done to the Jews." But she qualified her statement by saying she was "not referring to the Nazis, but the Cossacks". ' Let her read some history and learn what Jews suffered in pogroms. Here is one example: "The New York Times described the first Kishinev pogrom: The anti-Jewish riots in Kishinev, Bessarabia, are worse than the censor will permit to publish. There was a well laid-out plan for the general massacre of Jews on the day following the Russian Easter. The mob was led by priests, and the general cry, "Kill the Jews," was taken- up all over the city. The Jews were taken wholly unaware and were slaughtered like sheep. The dead number 120 and the injured about 500."
37. More history for the dimwitted
Sidney ,   USA   (11.29.09)
"Many pogroms accompanied the Revolution of 1917 and the ensuing Russian Civil War: an estimated 70,000 to 250,000 civilian Jews were killed throughout the former Russian Empire; the number of Jewish orphans exceeded 300,000." How many Palestinians were killed by Israelis since its creation, Miss Aloni?
38. #2; you r racist to the core!
(11.29.09)
39. Yet another reminder why Meretz got 3 seats
Danny   (11.29.09)
40. Is she aware
Raphael ,   Netanya   (11.29.09)
of the fate of collaborators at Palestinians' hands? She is fully unconscious of her luck living on the "wrong" side of the green line.
41. "Shulamit Aloni speaks the truth" she is a Zionist and has
Eitan ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (11.29.09)
been one all of her life. As such, she recognizes the universally accepted right of all peoples to national self-determination and independence, including of course the right of the Jewish people in its ancestral homeland of Eretz Israel (Land of Israel). I wonder, does the poster who was raised in a Catholic school to hate Jews (according to his account, not mine) accept Israel's right to exist based on the right Shulamit Aloni who "speaks the truth"? Does the same poster share Aloni's admiration for Israel's Proclamation of Independence, 14 May 1948, which was made based on UN resolution 181 of 29 Nov 1947 to establish a "Jewish state" in the Land?
42. Stupid Aloni knows nothing of history
Golan ,   Ashdod   (11.29.09)
what an ugly (inside) stupid person she is. What idiot made her minister of education? Who was so stupid? Oh yeah, the fool who signed Oslo with the likes of Arafat and the PLO because by placating the Arabs we avert Persian regional ambition. Stupid, just stupid.
43. AMAZING
Gershon ,   London UK   (11.29.09)
Does Ynet interview ALL octeganarian ex politician nobodies on their birthdays - or only those who have outrageous apologetic and self-deprecating views. This old woman's libel of Israel is dispicable.
44. A gross exageration but valid criticism of Occupation
Yitzhak ,   Holon   (11.29.09)
Worse than all the pogroms? I don't think so. Hundreds of thousands of Jews, perhaps even a million, were killed in the various Russian, Polish, Ukrainian pogroms since Chelminitski in the 16th. The Occupation is its own sort of evil which deserves its own condemnation. No need for exageration, however.
45. Nefarious ?
bob ,   london   (11.29.09)
SHE must be the best jewish example of all of us. this strange idea comes to her , every morning , in front of her mirror
46. Eitan, I agree, David Ben-Gurion borders it is...
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (11.29.09)
...your overt hatred notwithstanding. What we are witnessing is the "Goldstone reaction" or more to the point, the ugly sight of a people eating one of their own rather than face the truth. It's also been often used against other Israeli truth tellers, Gideon Levy, Akiva Eldar, Amira Haas, Uri Avnery, Tom Segev and many others. Those that cannot face the truth because it is so completely ugly in it's ghastly reality, instead focus on personal attacks and all manner of extremist ad hominem and they never address the root cause of the resistance in the very first place. It's the occupations stupid. The single greatest real existential threat facing Israel today.
47. alzheimer
gybor ,   antwerp   (11.29.09)
with alzheimer it only gets worse Gybor
48. "We are a nefarious people": you mean you are!
m   (11.29.09)
People always see in others what bothers them in themselves
49. :: Eitan's Fallacy - #41
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (11.29.09)
Eitan your bigoted desire to try and pigeonhole me has reduced you to lying. Your statement is an utter lie. The previous posts that Eitan is trying to base his lie on are under "Civil Administration distributes freeze orders" posts #26 & #27. Asher (#26): "has received over the years both at home and at school, e.g. Catholic school perhaps?" Matty (#27): "I’m also humored by the way you try to profile me based solely on your own prejudices, why stop at a “catholic school” why not a “German catholic school”?" Eitan it would be nice to think that you are just so imbecilic you can't recognize when I am highlighting someone’s prejudices however in this case I see that you are simply lying. Eitan is even expanding/embellishing on the lie by saying that I was "raised" in this imaginary "Catholic school". It is truly pathetic that people will grasp at straws and twist and distort what they read. It is no wonder that the likes of Eitan are so out of touch with reality. Also Eitan you mentioned . Do you also believe this statement? Aside from Jews/Israelis do you believe in the "universally accepted right of all peoples to national self-determination and independence"? [lets pause while Eitan disappears down a rabbit hole]
50. the unmitigated gall
Arn ,   Yehud   (11.30.09)
I still remember when this terribly foolish woman rebuked the mayor of Petach Tikva when he ordered that Palestinians seeking work in the city wait at a fixed area at the city's entrance. This was at a time when Palestinian violence against civilians had reached a murderous peak. This woman had the unmitigated gall, not to mention mind boggling stupidity, to compare the mayors demand with the Nazi's forcing Jews into their concentration camps.
51. Shulamit Aloni
Naftali ,   Indianapolis, IN US   (11.30.09)
Who cares what this senile "Machshefa" thinks!?
52. # 30
Birdi ,   Israel   (11.30.09)
No one is forcing you to read the posts here. Your departure from this forum would cause much jubilation. Many of us are really not interested in your one sided contributions here.
53. #7
R ,   Israel   (11.30.09)
Thank you for your post, I agree with every word.
54. Thank you Shulamit
Jerrold Cohen ,   Seal Beach, USA   (11.30.09)
I couldn't have said it better myself.
55. Birdi, Matty is one of the more informed posters here...
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (11.30.09)
...and it might be nice if just one of you actually addressed his fair point with facts and reason instead of nonsensical invective.
56. Peninah, the Oslo Accords were "wicked"?
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (11.30.09)
So apparently you were one of the Israelis who torpedoed any chance that Oslo would have been fairly implemented as agreed? And in your gratuitous way of stamping Aloni as nothing more than a vile traitor, you trot out a Yom Kippur-Germany conflation that is, if it even happened, totally not germane to her essay above. Your conflation was "vile" in itself. She is one courageous woman for her heartfelt honesty. You are a coward for not facing the truth.
57. Bolshevik Aloni got bloody hands!
Norit Meirson ,   Lod, Israel   (11.30.09)
She & cronies leftists are Oslo War criminals with blood of over 1000 Jewish victims on their hands. Bring justice upon these criminals!!!
58. Happy birthday, Shulamit
Jeff B ,   USA   (11.30.09)
It seems like none of these racists,most of whom don't seem to live in Israel, want to hear the truth like you've been telling all these years
59. Mrs. Aloni, please look deeper.
Heather Czerniak ,   Milwaukee, USA   (11.30.09)
Mrs. Aloni, you should stop reading the headlines and the opinion columns and start reading the Tanakh. There, you will find the reason for your myopic perspective of the situation. Maybe you should instead question the Diaspora's unusually intense obsession over Israel, a country that the rest of the world could easily ignore. It's more than just a misguided observation, it's a prophecy. "In that day I shall make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it." - Zechariah 12:3
60. Is she kidding?!
Acadian Canadian ,   Vancouver, Canada   (11.30.09)
"We need to release those demanded (by Hamas) immediately," she went on. "After we release them, Israel can keep tabs on them." The only way Israel can keep tabs on them is to keep them in prison! Release them and they'll strike again! Hello?!
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