speak for yourself, ugly woman!

She is a hardcore Stalinist and always was. She fought for the establishment of a Marxist-Communist state, not a Jewish state. In a previous demented driveling, she referred to the Jewish residents of Judea & Samaria as "kulaks." In case you do not know what a "kulak" is, it is the name that Stalin gave to the anti-Communist Ukrainians who were targeted for genocide by him.

How can you, Shulamit, stay in a country that you so obviously hate? If I felt like you I certainly couldn't remain here. You must hate the children and other civilians in Sderot who caused the Gaza war by not taking the constant rocket bombardments quietly. You must hate our soldiers - our children - who risk their lives daily to prevent us from being massacred. How can you stay here with such "nefarious" people?

She was a little girl and hid in the barn when the Cossacks came through. But the Cossacks killed people for sport, and the Jews living in the countryside were not suicide bombers. However, as our right wing is so unrelentlously extreme, and the left is hiding, I understand your politics.

Madam, I was not addressing you, but Matty Groves.His points are not far from "fair".The only reason you are both so pissed off with Israel is because your tax dollars are aiding Israel, which you think gives you both the right to spew your hatred on this forum.

You are all so full of hate. Why is denigration, name calling and raw hatred your first response to anyone with a different viewpoint? Why the vitriolic knee jerk response to any criticism? Do you think you are all perfect and everyone else damned? What a brave woman! What cowardly, blinkered bastards you all are!

With all due respect to you Paul you really dont know anything about what really went on & goes on in Israel. Shulamit Aloni is not a brave woman as she would sell Israel to the highest bidder. We are far from perfect but we do know who & what Shulamit Aloni represents & we the majority of the citizens in Israel dont want her meddling in Israeli politics anymore. Afterthought; dont you think if she was a good enough politician she would have been our Prime Minister at some stage in her political career ??

Paul,for many years Israel have played the victim and its executioner ;as it appears they can only find sanity in their old age as most of humanity does really. Israel fears should be its own retribution God knows, they'll be very very lonely this time around. You are right Paul but the response to Aloni is merely the conditioning of a people to dishonest to accept how wrong they have been on humanity's side. They simply can't respond in any other way.

On the contrary, she IS a brave woman for speaking out about about Israel's moral and social defects. Things like condemning those opposed to a prisoner swap for Gilad. Things like settlers who torch Palestinian olive groves in the West Bank. What does the halacha really say about trees, anyway? Things like Israel's attitude towards the Obama administration. Things like what Israel is doing in the West Bank; Things that anyone living outside of Isarael can't help but see as nazi tactics. The similarities are too striking and one would have thought they would be repugant to any israeli's soul. Things like the chorus of "anti-semetic,anti-semetic" thrown at anyone who criticizes Israel. What an over-used phrase that is! It's used so often that it will soon mean nothing to anyone. Did she say anything else that I missed? Is the world, like it did in the1940's, to stand by and do nothing again?

How would you like to see the world react?? do tell me. Does your news report (to you in Trinidad) what the Palestinians & Hamas do to the Israelis?? Agreed torching olives groves is not right.

No. We don't get the details in Trinidad. JPost, Haaretz and Ynet, however, do report what Palestinians, Hamas and Hezbollah, and the odd individual beserker palestinian does to Israelis. Along with this, they also report on what Israelis do to palestinians and lebanese. ON BALANCE, Birdie, israeli actions are far more severe and repulsive than palestinian/lebanese actions. I asked you whether I missed anything Aloni said in the report that would generate such hatred. Nothing she said in the report justifies such hateful responses so it boils down to the knee jerk reaction to any criticism. How would I like to see the world react? Like it is now with criticism, but more consistently and without fear (especially in the US) of being labeled anti-semitic and, eventually, with sanctions. ie you build a settlement house, the world (US) deducts the equivalent amount form its aid package. Without controls, it is obvious that american aid is funding and subsidising settlement activities.

Israel returned Gaza to the Palestinians,that you must surely know? Hamas was elected & has controlled Gaza ever since. For 8 years southern Israel has been targetted by quassams-bombs. Hamas has sent their suicide bombers into Israel to kill & main Israelis. No country in this world of ours would sit quiet for 8 years whilst their towns were being bombed. Not even for peace. An Israeli soldier was kidnapped by Hamas INSIDE Israel.He is still in capitivity. Paul what you have to understand is that the Palestinians want ALL of Israel, & to drive the Jews out. Palestinians have been offered land 3 times over the years & they have rejected all 3 times. When aid is given to a country is that country told exactly how to spend that money ? does it anger you that the American tax-dollars are aiding Israel? I dont think there is much to miss in the Aloni report. You are simply not aquainted with all her (past) policies. Please google, Hamas suicide bombing in Israel.Then tell me what is severe & what isnt. I am not continuing this thread to argue with you.All I would like is for you to undertand more of the situation here. The truth & not lies. As you know there are always 2 sides to every story.

How can you say that Israel returned Gaza to the Palestinians when you still maintain checkpoints and settlements there? What about the West Bank? Did you return that to them too? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/w_bank_checkpoints/html/default.stm I googled hamas attackes like you asked and I see the last one was in 2005. I don't have to google israeli attrocities because they happen on a daily basis and are (so far) freely reported in the israeli press. As to Gilad being captured in Israel, Israel does it all the time and also carries out "targeted" killings at will. "Paul what you have to understand is that the Palestinians want ALL of Israel, & to drive the Jews out." I do know that and it is unacceptable but Israel is strong enough to ensure it never happens. Continually brutalizing an entire people means that mutual acts of terrorism will continue unabated until such time as a "final solution" is found to the palestinian problem. From what I see on these boards, that israeli's would feel no constraint in implementing a final solution if it could get away with it. I do know there are two sides to any arguement but what you and a majority of Israelis fail to understand is that you have lost the moral high ground. You are no better than your historical oppressors.

Aloni wont say one word about the hardline Abbas goverment that glorifies terrorism against Israeli civilians and names streets after homicide bombers. Go to Palmediawatch which documents all of this. www.palwatch.org

I'v said Palestinian culture" can be symbolized by a bus bomber. Even during Arafat's homicide bomb campaign against Israeli civilians, Aloni was meeting with this terrorist. I'v said Palestinian culture" can be symbolized by a bus bomber. Look at the amount of schools, streets and town squares named for terrorists? If Palestinian Arab culture found these people abhorrent, where are the op-eds and protests against them? Samir Kuntar is a hero among Palestinian Arabs. If there are any who find him to be a monster, they certainly aren't making themselves heard. And poll after poll has shown that Palestinian Arabs support terrorism against civilians. We are dealing with Islamo Nazism.