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UK: Passport defrauding a very serious issue
Roni Sofer
Published: 17.02.10, 23:25
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31. Funny to see Israel scrambling.
Katherine ,   Canada   (02.18.10)
It is funny to see Israel scrambling to deal with his fiasco and failure of its vaunted Mossad. Even funnier to see the ridiculous posts by talkbackers here trying to justify this and blame others for Israel's mistake. It is time for Israel to be held accountable by the international community for its actions. I hope that the UAE, UK, Britain, Austrai and everyone else pursue this to the very end.
32. #2 asks for evidence
Arik Silverman ,   Milwaukee USA   (02.18.10)
There's plenty of circumstantial evidence. For example, 5 or 6 were British who emigrated to Israel. Obviously Israel has their passport information in its records, easy for Mossad to get. Who else could gather this information? Certainly no Palestinian group could get the information.
33. amir oren-another olmert
moshon   (02.18.10)
What do we have now with oren calling for the head of mossad because oren cannnot live with an extrajudicial eliminaiton of hamas operative. Okay, if the world worked well, only legal means would be necessary. You see legal means endorses hamas firing rockets but not israel defending itself see goldstine. What is it with these olmerts and livnis, ramons, beilins, barea, benn's now oren. So oren would not have approved of jews eliminating hitler unless it was done by judicial means. If israel is to survive, it will have to fight dirty on occasion from whichever branch it deems necessary. Privately, arabs countries have nothing but praise if it were a mossad hit. The last of the shtetl europe jews agonizing with morals and lacking courage reflect itself in oren,beilin, ben-ami, olmert and livni. People without stomach and courage. That is why livni sat next to olmert and didn't utter a peep-she was afraid. Jews, hearedi especially, take martial arts courses! In any future operations, all the jews if they partake should wear mustaches at the very least.
34. UK steals oil from Malvinas...
Ariel ,   Buenos Aires   (02.18.10)
....and complains about passports....so hypocrite... Gordon...You are gonna loose at the polls, no matter what your shameful governement does to get the left wing-pro muslim-anti israel vote...
35. #21 you the smarty ,if Israel not involved why the governam
Sami ,   Lebanon   (02.18.10)
of Israel is not denying its involvement .So far Israel is dead quite .
36. links and accusations
tom ,   toronto, canada   (02.18.10)
so far, there is no proof of anything, except a witchhunt in the tabloids, and the anti-Semites are already screaming "the Jews did it!" amazing. but the use of British and Irish passports says to me that it was a British intelligence operation. undoubtedly. or at least as likely as a Mossad operation. or a CIA op. or a revenge killing by fatah. or somebody who just wanted him dead. that can't be more than a few hundred people, tops!
37. Ireland hurling threats at Israel?
Steve from Raleigh   (02.18.10)
That's not news. Also, to the UK, passport problems are a bigger deal than mass mudering terrorists. Maybe Britain is mad they couldn't send more murderers to Libya to live out their days in comfort.
38. Does Irish government love terrorists or what? Scotland
Jae ,   Lynn US   (02.18.10)
might have qued them on how to handle terror- release them to hero's welcome. Its ok for genocidal maniac ruthless ayatollah regime to lie to everyones face about nuclear bomb development, and multiple times calling for the genocide of the Jews in Israel...thats ok according to UK & Ireland but a forged passport that got an arch terrorist killed? Time to cut relations. sick in the head. forget about h1n1, there is a greater disease in the minds of men going on. anti semitism.
39. UK asks "Israel to explain its role"
William ,   Israel   (02.18.10)
Here's the simple response for the simple UK Parliament....there ISN'T any role! There is no evidence that links Israel to this assassination, whether Hamas claims it or the Guardian claims it. What's more important is the main investigators - Dubai - DID NOT claim Israel was the perpetrator. The only role Israel has here is a victim, just as the UK and Irish are victims, as we share a few of the same citizens. This is a frame up, and if the UK really wants justice, they would work to find the real criminal network who can frame States and forge high-security passports on a whim. My guess is China aided Iran who tried to frame Israel while helping Hamas do away with a liability in a country that neither Hamas or Iran respects.
40. #6 - and what if the connection with Hamas/Fatah is strong?
William ,   Israel   (02.18.10)
Will the Dubai Chief of Police issue an arrest warrant for Abbas, Mashaal, Haniyeh? Or will he hide it in order to "protect certain parties from embarrassment". The Chief of Police already admitted that Hamas and Fatah are involved in some way, before he ever really accused Israel. And that's a big deal since Dubai holds no love for Israel.
41. #26 - Arab criminals did this often, and no UNSC
William ,   Israel   (02.18.10)
Hizbullah, Hamas, IRG, Al-Qaeda, etc. - all Arabs, all Muslims, all terrorists - all traveling on forged passports around the world doing illicit activities. Some were caught, and some flaunted it freely, as Mashaal did when mentioning Hamas has a passport forging apparatus and Mabhouh was traveling on one. Still, no UNSC meetings, no intl outcry. Instead, the UK welcome Hamas with open-arms as a fellow govt and world leader. If Israel had peaceful neighbors like the Dutch Afrikaans did in South Africa, it would be a different story - but our neighbors are the baby killers like Mabhouh - so all bets are off.
42. Would the Jewish State us Jewish identities? Please people..
(02.18.10)
This is interal Hamas crap. Hamas was making this murdering pig do video tapes for propaganda when he feared for his life and didn't want to do it. His number was up within the Hamas and they took care of it. He pissed them off. For Israel to respond is for Israel to publically admit to this "type" of stuff. Hamas is having a great laugh while the promise revenge.
43. Tahl, what fallout, a criminal is a criminal...
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (02.18.10)
...there are any number of previous examples, Milosovic, Noriega, the warrant for El Bashir. Face it, Israel is spiraling out of control, this has Bibi's hands all over it just like when he got busted and had to release Sheik Yassin after his bungled attempt at poisoning Khaled Meshaal in Jordan the last time he was PM. Nothing ever changes or improves in Israel, it just keeps getting more violent and more belligerent and more of a world threat.
44. Irish passports
Marilyn ,   USA   (02.18.10)
I don't know, but is it possible that remnants of the North and the South of Ireland are still fighting only with additional members and the battle ground being changed?
45. Don't Trust the Brits
Ralph levy ,   USA   (02.18.10)
If the Brits blame the Israelis this will be it I say break diplomatic relations with the UK. Arrest some of the UK spies in Israel. The UK is the last country that can lecture the Israelis on Spying they spy all over the world and use other countries passports. Have the British ever seen the any spy movies. I am beginning to believe this was a setup by MI6 against Israel. This situation in Dubai was a setup to embarrass Israel, not that I don't support the assassination I do. I only am saying is Israel would never use her own citizens passports to trace their steps back to Israel. Someone wanted to finger Israel. If Israel did this which I don't think they did they should have either real Briton Identities in Britain or use fake British passports. Both are done by all spy agencies. Britain is creaming the loudest and is very anti Israel this is a real suspect. http://israelprotect.blogspot.com
46. #23-Who did they arrest in UK?FYI Goldstone is bad news too!
Alan ,   SA   (02.18.10)
I have no inside info.Show me one of my millions of posts where I claim "inside info".I only know what I read on web,like you do. It is VERY VERY easy to get a UK passport from what I can see.A coupla hundred quid in the right direction and the ability to whistle "G-d save the Queen" (she needs all the help she can get) Even valid SA Passports were found in bundles in a Criminal House in UK not long ago-hence SA Citizens need massive complicated application forms and visas if we want to come to EU/UK You and your friends keep writing about SA .I agree on all you say about SA AND Goldstone(what an enemy of Jewish people)- so why do you write telling me about SA when refering to my posts..Stick to Israel/Jewish topics
47. #26-NO. China,Russia and 58 Muslimstates wud VETO
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48. Did Hamas killed Mahmoud al-Mabhough ?
Al Werner ,   UK   (02.18.10)
In the recent assassination of Mahmoud al-Mabhough, one has to ask the question who has been the greatest beneficiary. For a long time now, the leadership of Hamass has been aware that they are living on borrowed time, and a move to lay down their arms has been on the cards for a long time. For the "Reformers" within Hamas, the murderous hardliner Mahmoud al-Mabhouh probably presented the greatest challenge to change. His travel to Dubei to buy weapons with funds received from the European Union, presented an ideal opportunity to assassinate him, while implicating third parties with the murder at the same time. And who does Hamas hate most the "State of Israel" and the "EU" member Countries. A master stroke by Hamas of global press manipulation.
49. Bunch of fools
Anonymous ,   TX, USA   (02.18.10)
You are rejoicing & crying Victory for the murder of 1 scumbag...hehe I bet by now he has already been replaced by 10 of his lieutenant and it is back to business as usual for Hamas. But the backlash for this will have unprecedented consequences to Israel. Israel is already not very popular in European Public Opinion...this stunt will plunge it even further. You are seriously undermining the extent of the offense that Israel has committed against countries that were supposed to be friends and allies to Israel. Even so called "Terrorist States" like Iran never crossed the line of using British or any other European Passports in their clandestine activities, because they know it is a serious offense that would have dire consequences toward their relationship with these countries. I am surprised how Israel so frivolously steps on their friendly state's sovereignty, pride, and honor. Think of it that way...What will the world remember from all of this? Will they remember that a terrorist was done over? I don't think so..terrorists like him are killed every day... Or will they remember by this incident that Israel stoops so low as to betray friends, and stomp on their sovereignty for its own narrow benefits. Remember Schmuck like him get replaced instantaneously...Israel's reputation once slandered may never recuperate.
50. to #43 your memory got lapses
ghostq   (02.18.10)
the MUNCHEN masscre pali had the same fate, USA did even worse she busted Bin Laden against the arab nations,and contributed to her Jihad in the 80's and when the Gulim started to act on his creator.
51. to #49 Israel was never popular before
ghostq   (02.18.10)
in the 50's she sufferd the same atitude. so it doesn't matter to her anymore she won't be liked anyway people do need something to hate cause it's easy, so big deal, even the USA turn her back no reason, as they say been there done that NEXT
52. James Bond 007
Anon ,   Johannesburg   (02.18.10)
In the UK, secret opperation to protect her poplulation is only a good movie, in Israel its everyday life. Use anything to protect the west. Paper is less important then human life, and many lives have been saved.
53. remember new zealand affair????
juan solan ,   san diego   (02.18.10)
54. Tahl, in yellow journalism a criminal is...
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (02.18.10)
someone like me pretending to be an impartial reporter of fabricated news and stories invented by me Eat your heart out, impostor!
55. re: Tahl the Jewish terrorist
Californication ,   City of Angels, USA   (02.18.10)
Didnt know Irvine was a terrorist cesspool, I dont drive that far down the 405 but I bet they're nicer people than the trash that occupy the valley. Begin and Shamir were just as much terrorists as Arafat and George Habash. They were murderous Russian gypsies who had no one wanted in Europe. Palestinians need to wise up and start importing weapons to the West Bank and fight for their freedom like Hamas did in Gaza and the Lebanese did in South Lebanon. The world will understand.
56. Dubai
Simon ,   Haifa   (02.18.10)
The only reason for this hype is you, the Israeli media. In no country in the world it made the headlines, untill the Israeli media decided to celebrate. First, as you tried to hint it was Mossad, now as you try to prove mistakes. And what do we have, really? Some footage form a hotel that can be interpreted in any way you want. Pictures from passports that clearly do not match the users (wher did they get the original pictures from?). And stories, guesses, but no facts whatsoever. Churchill once said: "Better to have people think you are stupid and be quiets, than to open your mouth and prove them right."
57. " PASSPORTS-GATE" -- THE LYNCH MOB IS GEARING UP..
ABRAHAM ben JACOB ,   CANADA   (02.18.10)
ALL OF A SUDDEN PASSPORTS ARE LIKE THE " HOLY OF HOLIES".. WHAT A SILLY WITCH-HUNT. THE BRITS. IRISH AND OTHERS SHOULD BE MORE WORRIED ABOUT TERRORISTS WHO USE PASSPORTS TO BOMB INNOCENT CIVILIANS. IT'S LIKE THESE "HOLY " NATIONS THINK THAT PASSPORT FORGING OR WHATEVER IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN THE TERRORISTS. SOME OF THE ANTI-ISRAEL TALKBACKS ARE LIKE LITTLE BULLY CHILDREN STICKING THEIR TONGUES OUT AT ISRAEL AND YELLING " HAHA WE GOT YOU "! BETTER TO KILL TERRORISTS, THAN TO UPGRADE THE PASSPORTS TO THE LEVEL OF RELIGIOUS ICON. WHAT A CROC, PASSPORTS ARE HOLY ? THESE COUNTRIES ARE TRYING TO COVER THEIR OWN MISTAKES AND FAILURES WITH DIVERSIONS LIKE THE NEW GAME IN TOWN, CALLED THE " PASSPORT-GATE ". THE BRITS AND ARABS ARE MORE LIKELY SUSPECTS. BRITS MAY BE TRYING TO ATTRACT ATTENTION AWAY FROM THEIR BOMBING OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS IN AFGAHANISTAN.
58. Like Mossad would really use the names of Israelis!
Michael Peterson ,   London - UK   (02.18.10)
The whole Mossad thing is just nonsense. Whether Mossad did it or didn't do it there is nothing tangible that points to it. And would Mossad use the names of Israelis? Of course not!
59. Didn't Dubai arrest 2 PALESTINIAN suspects?
Sharona ,   Jerusalem Israel   (02.18.10)
I don't think they have arrested any Israelis. Maybe they will take Shahar Pe'er prisoner? Would Mossad be so stupid as to use real Israeli people for their ID's? I doubt it. There is absolutely NO evidence Israel did this. Of course I hope we did. The reaction of the Irish and Brits just shows how much respect they have for our intelligence people. they imagine anybody else pulling this off. Once British intelligence had a fearsome reputation. Now they are just impotent.
60. #31 Catherine, we know you're hurting...
The entire nation ,   of Israel   (02.18.10)
How did your keyboard hold out? Love your work!
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