Opinion  Nahum Barnea
We’re losing them
Nahum Barnea
Published: 17.03.10, 18:06
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31. I couldnt care less what American Jews think or feel
Al   (03.17.10)
They dont amount to a hill of beans and when push comes to shove they will fold like a cheap suit. While Europe was burning they were still like mice. Yeah sure they made a demo or two but it didnt amount to nothing. America, like its Jews is a dried up 10 year old milk cow munching pablum. They are on the way out! Forgetboutthem.....
32. Liberal Jews are having an identity crisis.
Paul ,   Jerusalem   (03.17.10)
Is this a recent discovery or are you just stating the obvious? Liberal Jews have long been in a identity-crisis, with the latest 'act of insanity', being the support for a poorly disguised anti-Semite, the muslim-Obama, supporting a U.S. party that clearly finds a future with Arabs, Muslims, anti-U.S. dictatorships, and European Socialists than with Israel. No nation or people on earth divides their 3,000 year old capital to satisfy a defeated people who are nothing but foreign migrant workers who migrated to Israel because of Jewish development. Liberal Jews believe Israeli policies are causing this outbreak of hatred against Jews, not true. Every 60 years, Israel or not, the demons come for blood.
33. America is loosing them too...
David ,   Montreal, Canada   (03.17.10)
Just look at the assimilation/intermarriage rate among the liberal "Jews". And unlike the secular Israeli, there is no national connection to Judaism in the USA, quite the reverse, if anything.
34. J Street A Second Voice For American Jews
World Citizen ,   the world   (03.17.10)
Bibi, the Israeli/Jewish far right and their ilk will hurt Israel more than you can imagine. The reputation of Israel is being dragged through the mud by the actions these extremists. Already a paradigm shift has occurred in America about the value of Israel as an ally in the Middle East. They ask why they should give you economic aid when so many are out of work in America. They ask why should America give blood and treasure to fight proxy wars for Israel like in Iraq, Pakistan and Yemen. They wonder why they should cover for Israel war crimes in the United Nations? The Americans are beginning to realise the trouble the Palestinian issue is causing them all over the Middle East. They need the Arab oil. What can you give the Americans in return? Nothing! Israel only takes or steals from the Americans. Hopefully they will come to their senses and rid themselves of the Israeli albatross. What a great day of celebration that will be!
35. They are losing themselves..
Trumpeldor   (03.17.10)
36. "Decedents of Orthodox families"
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (03.17.10)
"Decedents" means deceased people. Somehow I do not think this is what he is talking about. Hoping, maybe.
37. Wrong, they lost us...
Larry ,   Los Angeles   (03.17.10)
These crazy self hating Jewish liberals are lost. We are here defending our rights to live as Jews in a democratic land and country and they are their believing lies. They lost us...
38. these are the same liberal...
Golan ,   Modiin   (03.17.10)
what is their position? Positive viewpoint on assimilation? Ignorance on Jewish history and culture? they side with radical marxists, communists, Arab terrorists and Islamic fundamentalists? They vote for the leftist democrats no matter what their position is against Israel? These are not people we need to appease. On the othr hand we do need to strengthen ties to those jews who are Zionist. And that is hard to do when they do not pass Zionism values on to their children. And that means Jewish heritage.
39. You never had them. They're in love with ...
Diamond ,   Chicago   (03.17.10)
Liberals have been in love with Socialism, not Israel. Israeli style socialism..i.e. kibbutzim, was attractive to the Socialist mindset, so they tolerated the unpleasant parts. That is over now. They're too busy believing they are a Citizen of the World, if only we could solve the Three G's... guns, gays and gender issues. They have no existential experience of being bullied, bombed, frightened and terrorized. You never had 'em.
40. That's what I call power
Miriam ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (03.17.10)
It's within Netanyahu's hands to relive America of it's misery with this Rev. Wright supporter, and free American from it's decline from greatness. It's time for change as Obama likes to say, and with God's help it will be 'the exact opposite' of what Obama has in mind. Along with that change will be; the realization of 'Liberal Jewish America' that the Democrats have taken a turn towards Arab unity, and are dying for the opportunity to weaken Israel and the whole Jewish establishment. Don't fool yourselves. If Liberal Jewry supports Democrats and contributes to the hypocrisy directed at Israel, they will learn very quickly that America is no longer a safe haven for them.
41. We’re losing them
jewish american   (03.17.10)
the liberal jews were always ashamed with them self they were jewish only by name just like the german jews they were german and also jews they never were one of us
42. You dpoke ice-cold truth, #3
Cameron ,   USA   (03.17.10)
Progressive ideology forms their view of the world, and guides their actions. The Jewish community in the States is a write-off for Israelis. Heavy irony, but the Christian community is your only true source of firm support, Israel.
43. We're losing them?
Murray Dressler ,   Roslyn Heights USA   (03.17.10)
Hate to inform you but the liberal Jewish camp has very little liking for Israel in fact many despise Israel.
44. LIBERALS STAYED IN EGYPT, DIDNT GO WITH MOSES ALSO...SO ???
.......DACON9   (03.17.10)
LIBERALS STAYED IN EGYPT, THE DIDNT GO WITH MOSES ALSO...SO ??? AND LIBERALS IN YISRAEL WILL LEAVE ANYWAY OR BE SPIT OUT YEAH? SO? WHAT DID THE ONE GD OF ISRAEL TELL US 'YOU WILL BE FEW'' JUDAISM IS QUALITY..NOT QUANTITY.. SO LETS MPROVE OURSELVES TO HELP BRING MASHIACH SOONER..AND MAY HE ARRIVE AND HAVE MERCEY ON US BECUASE WERE TRYING...... OR ARE WE??? THANKS DACON9 EMAIL:jewswithviews@gmail.com
45. livni's guarantees
alexi   (03.17.10)
Barnea, oslo, gaza withdrawal, rockets, sucide bombing, now you want ben gurion and tel aviv targeted with rockets because for sure that is what will happen. You are so stupid that it is incredible. Like livni who says israel will take risks for peace if it has security guarantees. What an ignorant dumbbell she is. In 67 an international flotilla was to challenge the blockade. Nothing happened. The lebanon 2006 war was to have oversight in regard to arms smuggling by hezbollah. Nothing happened. And iran--so far US has done nothing while iran advances towards its weapon. International guarantees are like russia relying on hitler not to invade. Security guarantees have israelis in security positions and nothing else. US weapons are reliable but anything else is not. And now US intimated that weapons would be held back. israel, secure your reserve weapons and defend yourself. Barnea, you want to be rocketed in tel aviv, move somewhere else. Israel will not do what you and the biggest coward olmert want it to-it will not leave its security to fatah, hamas and the US.
46. Too bad no one cares !!
sammy ,   jerusalem , isr   (03.18.10)
Its too bad no one cares about or for the American liberal "jews".
47. Jerusalem Is An Israeli Capitol
Sheldon Waxman ,   USA   (03.18.10)
The Jewish liberals do not read the Prophets and do not believe in the Messiah. It's all apocryphal to them. However, not to a true believer, such as the many Christians in the U.S. They will come to Israel's aid and should be courted.
48. losing American Liberal Jews.
Yochanan   (03.18.10)
It seems that most Israelis do not want or need US tax payer's yearly gift of two billion dollars.Good we need it here in the US.As for Liberal American Jews,Do us a favor & stop coming to us begging for money & political Support.The liberal Jewish community is doing just fine with-out the black-hats. Israel is just the road of isolation from the civilized world.Bye-bye.
49. #48: Pathetic liberal Yochanan
Israeli 2 ,   USA   (03.18.10)
50. Nahum, you are not losing anybody. You just
leo ,   usa   (03.18.10)
discovered that you never had some of them. I would not call it a loss. Besides, we are Jews and we are always unsatisfied with ourselves, but we never lose us.
51. Yochanan @ 48, it is interesting that you associate
leo ,   usa   (03.18.10)
Israel with 'black hats'. First, statement is derogatory and may even be anti-Semitic. Second, it means you do not know anything about Israel. Come and get first hand experience. Third, if you are a Jew I do not think Israel need to worry about losing your favor. I bet Israel never had it and never will have it no matter what. Forth, forgive my impertinence, are you proud to be a Jews (well, if you are a Jew)?
52. 48# You should be ashamed of yourself.
Steven Wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (03.18.10)
You would betray your own kind for money? It's so important to betray your brothers and sisters because some other entity is giving some money to Israel? What the hell happened to American Jews anyways? Why bother commenting if you are the one that betrays your brother for another government. You are a Jew first. Hitler used Jews, and many came running to be first in line to draw first blood from their people. It would be a shame if the entire United States is full of a bunch of self hating Jews, who will betray their brothers for money and an easy life. What will happen if the good old USA decides to eliminate you? Will Israel be a more popular destination then? Will you be the beggar for your existence. Will you beg for your life and a place to live from oppression towards the Jewish people? Keep killing the firemen and police. None will show up in an emergency. Look what happened in Europe and Germany!
53. 48# Another thought.
Steven Wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (03.18.10)
It's pretty pathetic when American Christians hold up Jews with more support than American Jews. Why do you clowns support the Democratic party anyways? They screw you at every turn? People and parties that act like they care when the vote is coming up for their reelection.....can't be trusted to follow through when the going gets tough. Obama has abandoned you. I'm not so sure some Jews have mistaken this idiot for the new Messiah. They are mistaken. The Muslims love him though.
54. They have assimilated and they are goyim. Gone!
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (03.18.10)
55. #34 J-street
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (03.18.10)
J-street is a fake organization organized and funded by Rahm Emanuel. They are like the canned laughter in a bad sitcom that Emanuel activates with a push of a button. What is funny is that the J-street people actually think that someone believes them.
56. #48
Jay ,   NYS   (03.18.10)
Bush created the so-called "road map" to peace. He pressured Israel into allowing Hamas to participate in elections in Jerusalem. He forced Israel out of Lebanon. His Sec State Rice referred to Hamas as "resistance fighters" Bush1 and Reagan were even harder on Israel. Reagan even froze aid and denied loan guarantees. All of them were deep in bed with the Saudis via Bechtel and Bush family connections to the Bin Laden family. And you think they're any better???
57. He Has A Point About Netanyahu
TSB ,   Clifton, NJ USA   (03.18.10)
Netanyahu's talking from both sides of his mouth is the cause of alot of problems. If Ramot Shlomo is the same as Tel Aviv, then why did Netanyahu apologize at all? Would he apologize for a new builing project in, say, Petah Tikvah? The apology just legitmizes the claim that there is something wrong with the building. Netanyahu should have said: "We have nothing to apologize for. That neighborhood is a Jewish neighborhood and has been incorporated into the Jewish part of Jerusalem for 40 years. It is not Ramallah or Jenin. We are not giving that back in any negotiation, and we are going to treat it as we do Tel Aviv or Haifa. We did freeze settlements in the Arab parts of the West Bank, and we stand by that, but this is not part of that freeze and will not be. The Arabs have had 40 years to make peace and they refuse. Meanwhile life goes on and as our population increases housing is built in the normal course."
58. Wake Up
Donald ,   New York, NY   (03.18.10)
Israel cannot exist without the US which in case you are not aware is 98% non-Jewish. I truly wish Israel brought something to the table as an ally, but clearly its one way benefit. Stop acting like a spoiled child living off his parents who insists that they should be able to do whatever they want.
59. The Democratic Party...
i ,   jerusalem   (03.18.10)
"which at the time holds power in the White House and in Congress" there is nary an analyst with a brain that does not see the Democrats loosing Congress in November 2010 in an expected bloodbath upset. The US people don't like to be hoodwinked by Republicans, but they detest being bullied by Obamas kind of Democrat. This, and a string of failures is why they appear so strident on the signature issues,
60. #58 Owners, not renters, have the clout
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (03.18.10)
Presently, arrogant ugly American, your national debt mortgage is increasingly being held by China... and this very week your Pres. Obama, along with Pelosi, Emanuel & Co., is poised to make that irreversible. So, as the importance of the U.S. wanes, it is China, not the U.S., to whom Israel should increasingly relate as our most important ally. Your arrogance will be part of the reason few countries of the world will be saddened by China's eclipsing of your zenith in world affairs. Americans are the only people I know who view foreign countries as "wayward children" for refusing to reject their own national interests for American arrogance. Israel is not America's 51st state nor a child of America. We are, to you, a foreign ally with our own national interests just like France, Great Britain, Mexico, Canada, Turkey--who wouldn't let you fly in their airspace, remember? When you learn something about politics and foreign affairs you'll develop a better appreciation of Israel's importance to the U.S.--especially in the future... and as you are eclipsed in world importance by China. Israel needs to wake up alright... to the new reality of courting better relations with China. No more kowtowing to irresponsible and unreasonable U.S. demands (that have nothing to do with our contractual agreements with the U.S.) when it comes to Israel's imports, exports and sales to China. My family became American in New Amsterdam before it became New York. You make me ashamed of Americans. Paqid Yirmeyahu Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Torah-reverer (& Orthodox Jew) Advocate for Logic as Hermeneutic Halakhic Authority Welcoming All Torah-reverers (Jews & non-Jews)
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