....and I thought it was a peace / humaniterian event!

I have seen 2 posts from Turkish Jews and both appear to be very desperately in need of help. I surely hope that Israel has some type of plan(s) to help get these individuals and their families out of Turkey!

You mentioned Aziz Nesin and reminded me of the magazine AKBABA.

I am sure Israel has some plans but let me also mention this: Not all Turks are like those that you read their posts here, fanatics (well there are a few good ones also who post here). It is just that the fanatics are here on a mission while the secular educated modern Turk is busy working, being productive for his/ her country and humanity. Being originally from Turkey, I am confident that when push comes to shove the righteous but today silent Turks will be there for the small Jewish community in Turkey. And when you read between the lines the words of the Chief Rabbi of Tirkey (which is in an other article at YNET) you will understand more.

hans EU is a christian club and turkey wıll never be part of ıt you know it ı know it you guys almost collapsed wıth the lastes crisis with 27 country in it still has no say in world politics Eu is joke number 47 did you ever bother to listen what we have to say about the matter ı dont thınk so arguing with perjudiced people is no use david ı meant israelıs here not all of them you are makıng the same mıstake and for your ınformatıon ı am not takıng sıde but really havıng hard tımes for not to israel kılled 9 turks ı dont lıke hamas or defendıng them ı am defendıng my country how can you defend your countries kıllıng davıd ha? turkey didint kıll any israelı tourısts comıng to antalya or actıvıst geuss who dıd lısten what you guys are doın is wrong you know thre ıs asyıng ın turkey Dost acı soyler bu arad davıd eger yanlıs bılmıyorsam sen türksün yanlıssam düzelt dini nedenlerle israile baglı olmanı anlarım ama eger türk isen benden cok kendı ulkenı savunmalısın iyi geceler

you sure you are atheist :D

Yes, the fact is that IDF killed 9 Turks. Did you ask yourself why? Out of nothing? Or because they were savagely beaten by your "pissnicks"? Yes, IDF screwed up, but such a response from "pissnicks" provoked killings. Why was this the only boat with casualties? Why there are videos showing individuals that wanted to become martyrs in the fight with IDF? And this, about killing tourists must be a joke, right? These "pissnicks" were not tourists, I hope that you aware at least of that.

I completely agree with you about this issue.I believe the israelies are mentioning the kurds only as a mean to allow mister ardogan to reflect on his own bussines instead of shoving his nose to other nations complicated conflict. iran and turkey are making the palastinians currently think that israel will soon be vanish.you make them fantasize and in this you prolong the conflict that otherwise could have allready been resolved! the great sin of over generalization of the other side is being done currently on both sides. no one is totaly bad or totaly good.there is good and bad in everyone,but ardogan and I believe his followers see the reality as black and white only. israel has the right to defend itself from the hamas.please do read the hamas charter.I read it today and as long they will not change it we can't trust them,even their secular "brothers"in the west bank can't realy trust them and this is the reason that they are also in conflict with them. that said,I agree that israel,my country should consider more the limitation of power and the use of it.nobody is perfect.we are living in a very complicated reality here and turkey with it's provocations make it even harder.take it into your consideration. if you had lived under constant threat as the israelies,probably you would have become more nervous.all sides,including the hamas should take responsibilty for that.you can't expect israel to be the sole responsible side for this conflict with the arab world.it takes two for this tango and clearly your prim minister ardogan believs its only one! the israelies want peace.there is no reason for us not to want peace as some of the peaple around the worls who dehumanize us want the worls to believe.we want peace,but not on our dead bodies!

A few days ago Barak , justifying turk Ship attack , said that in the middle East only strong survive. Yeah. His policies are bearing fruit. Now turks siding with Hamas. Barak strong handed policies consequence are here for all to see.

The Turkish thugs on-board the Mavi Marmara certainly showed themselves to be typical Hamas terrorists:THEY MADE SURE THAT THEY HAD PLENTY OF DUPES TO BE HUMAN SHIELDS,EVEN A BABY!!! THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!

Today's headline in the Times of London sums it all up: "Turkish charity that sent aid convoy to Gaza has links to terrorism"

There's a good trick being played by the western media.They're claiming that Israel-Turkey relations have deteriorated because of Israel.The fact that the start of deterioration coincides with the arrival of Turkey's proto-Islamic government seems to pass them by. I pity the Turks,they have a problem.Their government is snatching Ataturk's secular constitution away from them. They'd better beware or they'll find themselves living under Iranian conditions. THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!

I did more for Turkey then you will ever do in your whole life. When I migrated to USA in 1980 Turkey was under a US embargo and the treasury in need of 70 cents. When Ozal became PM he organized the Turkish Jews in USA. I ws one of them. I had diffucult meetings with then a young Democratic candidate Garry Acgerman (At the time in Forest Hills) who happened not to be a sympathizer of Turkey. I spent time with Geraldine Ferrera also to explain the Turkish narrative. It was not easy. The Greeks are very strong in the USA. I did not but some people received threats from Armenians when we were supporting Turkey in the Genocide issue. But we continued our efforts. I had meetings with Uri Savir and many more people until we persuaded USA to lift the embargo which is why today you are enjoying this economy. Dost Aci soyliyebilir ama her seyin bir yeri ve zamani vardir. Senin dunya huzurunda bizlere yaptigin bu ithamlara turkcede NANKORLUK denir. So thae this also as a friendly but sour advice from your friend David in NY. Nest time when your economy is in shambles due to a USA embargoe I hope the Hamas will do what I did in my younger age taking risks and spending my productive time for Turkey. Now One more thing: There are many things happening in Turkey that are terrible. You as a Turk your first duty is to fight those matters. Do you see me posting in Hurriyet, Millliyet, haberturk etc anti Turkish things? No because I have to fix teh issues in my backyard. I agree that not all Israeli actions are good and this is my problem not yours to fix. Similarly you should concentrate in fixing the important issues of Turkey ranging from Cyprus to PKK, Armenian border, poverty etc. But if you prefer to trash Israel then don't be angry when I point out to your shortcomings. Don't worry in Israel Israelis are free top trash their own leaders without being afraid , unlike Turkey where their telephones are tapped homes are video taped and sent to jail in Silivri. Iste dostumn ben de aci soyledim unmarim begenmisindir.

Every ship in the flotilla surrendered relatively peacefully without serious attacks to the Israeli soldiers. Only the predominantly Turkish one had violence. According to the eye witness accounts it was started by a group of about 30 - 40 people. A captains duty is to ensure the safety of his passengers. Knowing that he was facing a military ship (even if it was illegal but the fact is Israel has all the legal rights. If you need to know read the Helsinki, Geneva conventions about this matter). To protect the passengers he should have obeyed the Israeli request to go to Asdot and if this was an illegal act the maritime company could have sued Israel in international courts. But he did not di that instead willingly, defiantly and irresponsibly put the lives of the passengers at risk. Let me tell you that a few minutes ago I discussed this with a lawyer friend of mine (Not Jewish, Italian American) who told me that there are laws of the sea and it is very possible that if found negligent for not surrendering this captain could be held responsible for the deaths of the ship. Unless he can prove that he wanted to surrender but the passengers prevented him by force in which case those passengers are responsible. Elini vicdanina koy ve tarafsiz dusun. hangi anne 1 yasindaki cocugu ile bu yolculuga cikar. Bu nasil bir Cihat anlayisidir? Iste yine dost gibi aci soyledim.

Seems only right that since Turkey is trying to help Hamas, Israel should send aid and ammo to the Kurdish Rebels who as far as I'm concerned, have a much more legitimate right to their own homeland than do the so called Palestinians, who are really nothing more than displaced Egyptians, Jodanians and Syrians, and that's where they all belong

Wrong you ignorant moron, you are now on the side of the perrenial losers, and you will defeintely get a chance to see your precious Allah if you keep messing with Israel. Little Hamas supporting Islamic sychophants, you are all cursed and heading for a big fall

Every time Erdogan opens his mouth the world remembers his murderous oppression of the Kurdish people and his illegal occupation of North Cyprus

First of all, thank you for such a sane response. In these insane days, it's a relief to read those wise words. I am a Turk and I completely agree with you on many points. Erdogan is playing a cheap game to win the votes in upcoming elections in Turkiye. He is busy building his dictatorship. The easy card is always to distract the attention by attacking an outsider, that outsider is Israel in this case. He is attacking Israel not because he cares much about Palestinians; he only cares about his own power and pocket. Think that on the same day of this flotilla raid, PKK attacked Turkish military. 7 Turkish soldiers were brutally killed. But, Erdogan doesn't say anything about it. Turkish military is Ataturk's secular army, so Erdogan and his followers don't care much about Turkish soldiers, they care much about those Islamic fanatics on the ship. We have a quite complicated situation in Turkiye too. This flotilla affair was a trap and provocation. Israel fell into this trap set up by IHH(so-called aid organistation) and Erdogan. I think both current Turkish and Israeli governments are making many mistakes. But, as you wisely said, we must not generalise. Erdogan and those pro-Hamas fanatic do not represent all Turks. Both sides need to calm down. This must not turn into a Turkish-Israeli conflict.

ı knew you dıd those thıngs you said before thats why ı respect you and dont want to be seen in argument with you even thoug ı dont agree wıth you dont you thınk if israel wanted she could have avoided the casaultıes you read the news so u must have read that amonng the 9 kılled turks was 19 years old boy he was shot 4 tımes ın the head and one ın the chest david you see somethıng ıs wrong here ı am not gonna defend the women wıth chıld or other thıngs cause you are rıght there but my friend thıs was the last drop bardagı tasırdı ı was abıg supporter of israel less than ayear ago davıd you know you can help israel only ıf you speak of her wrongdoıngs ı rarrely see any jew self criticize you lıve ın new york ı guess you saw the devout jews in theır realıgıous outfıt protested israel wıth turks a few days ago ı thın they thınk theır country most

http://www.salom.com.tr/news/detail/15816-Insanlari-olume-gonderen-hukumet.aspx It good to see that there are many Turks with common sense. He too is a Turkish DOST who tells you some sour realities. I hope you like his - A Turkish journalist's words of advice too.

you are one of the blessed.all humans are the same.maybe one day the time will come to recognize it without fear and conflicts. I want you(and others including the palastinians)also to know that I dont have anything against islam.I think that fanatisicm is only the characters of those who misunderstand the scriptures and see them as the only thing that matters.not only fanatic muslim do that but also fanatic religious jews and christians.those who are secular also have their agenda and their religions.they call it ideology and the most fanatics of them whorship to that "god" without thinking about it doing sometimes horrible things! the true holy book of all nations and religions can be written each day from scratch!.this is a task that we should take on ourselves from all sides together!!not to seek who is the right side and who is the wrong side.who is good and who is bad. alot of israelies including me are willing even today to give the palastinians a state and to live with them peacfully and respectfully but fanatic muslims here must leave their hate behind! it's not so complicated to find the good things in israel and the jews.:) islam and the arab world has also a very beutifull side and I respect it.they call it sufism.there are other things too.lets work on it from all side as individuals.the leaders will come later.they will not have a choice...

David, you must be junta's man. your name is david but you are the enemy within who has also a turkish name. we know you when we see you. we the people will keep your criminal buddies in jail. but i don't know why you are not inside but outside. you have sold out your friends! we know who you are till the 1900's.

Israel made a mistake I admit it by not taking this flotilla as being a tough resistor. They were ill prepared to deal with it. However as I mentioned before all other boats surrendered rather peacefully in other terms with reasonable resistance. Only the Turkish commanded Mavi marmara had the overly violent resistance. Israeli soldiers initially were armed with painball guns. They did not intend to kill. Some of the ball bearded people on board they said in interviews that they captured some of the guns from the soldiers. You know what happens in football matches in Turkey. Recently we saw the pictures of the burned stadiun in a what was supposed to be a friendly game. Now do you believe that these mobs did not intend to kill the Israeli soldiers? So please ELINI VCDANINA KOY Doyou think these soldiers (one being thrown down the ship should not have defended themselves? And yes I saw the ultra religious Jews with TURKISH flags protesting Israel not Arab flags as they did in Taksim. These ultra religious Jews are not much different then the ultra religious Turks or Hamas. They do not believe in modern days Israel because Messiah did not come yet. If you give them a chance they will destroy Israel faster then Hamas would.

Turkey is joining the Arab Ligue,and as a new member of this great organization,Turkey will out Arab the Arabs.

Congratulations! There aren't very many people stupid enough to sign their own death warrants, but you just qualified. Puts a whole new meaning to the word "You're ALL for the dustheap of history. Al salaam aleikum, assholes! Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of terrorists.

hope that the israelies will be smart enough NOT to go to the resorts in Anatalya even if they are cheap........ this summer. Let their tourism suffer a bit. One slow summer season without the thoudands of israelis will hit their pockets.

Dear Mordechai, That's an interesting and insightful reply. Thank you. I have met Israelis, Jews from other countries and Palestinians. I must say that some fanatic Muslims, like those in IHH aid organisation on the ship, can be much more radical than even Palestinians. I know some Palestinians who agree with two state solution and to live side by side with Israelis. But, some radical Muslim activists on that boat never meet any Jews or Israelis in their lives. They grow up with such alienation and hatred against Jews. This is not an excuse for their hatred, but I just wanted to point out that. Actually, those activists are not contributing to solution of the conflict, they are making it worse. Some Palestinians are more moderate than those so-called humanitarian aid activitist fanatics, because some Palestinians met Israelis at work or in Jerusalem. As you say, individual efforts are very important, perhaps a very small step but important steps to get to know each other. I'm not a follower of religions, but I agree with you that some people misunderstand and use the scriptures for their agendas. I believe in God and believe that if we love and respect each other and nature, this love will come back to us. Perhaps, you would be interested in reading "Yunus Emre" a Turkish poet and thinker from 13th century. These are his words "I love the created, for the sake of the Creator." Laila tov ach sheli, I hope you don't mind me seeing you as ach sheli.

Read my post #74 to Anton to better understand who I am. Thanks for clarifying who you are too. now I know that you are among those who support AKP's undemocratically jailing all of its opponents without any charges at Silivri Jail. But now that this has been cleared please do not call yourself humanist becasue we all know that several innocent and valuable Turks died while they were in long term detention At Silivri battling deadly illnesses such as Mrs. Turkan Saylan a pediatric doctor who devoted her life to save lives and build hospitals in the poor east of Turkey for the underprivileged. So I see your biggest enemies are Turkish doctors, journalists, intellectuals, professors, scientists who raise their voice against the AKP government. As they say evey nation gets the leaders that they deserve but thre are real good modern secular Turks who do not deserve this. Unfortunately as long as ill educated, fatalist Turks like you are in the majority the good ones also will suffer. You will not be able to jail me. I have no intentions to visit Turkey untill AKP is gone for good. Yobaz like you hoistorically have been very good in exiling the educated secular Turks since Namik Kemal, Nazim Hikmet and many more.

Yavuz ! What were those armless people doing in a war zone ?,