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IDF troops shown bleeding in Turkish press
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Published: 06.06.10, 09:49
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61. To 48# Israeli rescue team helped only Jews during Earthqua
Tayfun_Turkey ,   Istanbul   (06.06.10)
To your information about Israeli rescue team's aid during Turkish Eartquake: Israeli team came with a LIST showing places of JEWS in Residences collapsed and they were only to rescue Jews and they did only aid to Jews However again Zionist Hurriyet showed a few Turk were treated with a few bandage around head by Israeli doctors There was nothing humanitarian with Israeli earquake aid
62. Where is the Turkish Army ? Arduan lost his marbles
Alex Gutman ,   Israel   (06.06.10)
Arduan lost his mind or is overdized with some kind of medicine. Arduan should be arested and replaced by pragmatic leader and not a crazy one like Arduan.
63. :: NEW IDF guidelines
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (06.06.10)
Today the IDF released new guidelines in relation to hijacking ship in international waters and kidnapping its crew. 1) When illegally boarding a ship please refrain from: a) Get the living sh*t kicked out of yourself as this is highly embarrassing to the state of Israel when the video is uploaded to Youtube. b) Shouting "Oh my Gwad they are fighting back! Evacuate - EVACUATE!!". c) Jumping into the sea as a means of escape. 2) The following items can be considered lethal and frightening weapons of 'terror': a) Kitchen cutlery, eg: knifes, forks, spoons, chopsticks. b) Crockery, eg: plates, cups, saucers, bowls. c) Furniture, eg: chairs, tables, stools, sofas. d) 'Long objects', eg: sticks, chains, poles, German sausages. e) Children's toys, eg: catapults, marbles, firecrackers, yo-yos. 3) Descriptive terminology is vital in the 'war against terror', when writing reports or talking to the media please use the following redefined terms: a) "Peace activist" = "Terrorist with links to al Qaeda". b) "Humanitarian aid" = "Illegal contraband". c) "Wheelchairs" = "Mobile delivery systems for WMDs". d) "Food packages" = "Enemy rations". e) "Schoolbooks" = "Propaganda material". 4) Personal items (eg: wallets, cameras, ipods) seized during the hijacking can be used to supplement IDF salary.
64. In one of the published photos
Erastus CoupeDeVille ,   Ong's Hat, NJ USA   (06.06.10)
pictures, an Israeli commando is lying on the deck covering his face surrounded by several of the of the terrorist mercenaries... he was disarmed... he wasn't shot, his throat wasn't cut. In another photo, a commando was being led down a flight of stairs... with the availability of rope on a ship... he wasn't lynched.
65. #20 Shalom Freedman
Chris Linthwaite   (06.06.10)
The photograph exposes Israel's narrative of the events onboard as a lie. The protestors had ample time and opportunity to kill the Israeli soldiers if they wished and they didn't. It appears to support those eyewitnesses contention that the IDF reacted wit disproportionate use of force.
66. Shows the Turks up very badly..disgusting
Scott   (06.06.10)
The release of the photos will actually convince more people that this whole episode was a set up and co-ordinated by the Turkish government. ...beaten soldiers...obviously got that way doing their job. Turkey and Erdogan are a disgrace and need to be investigated for this provocation.
67. #56 ..THE TRUTH HURTS DOESNT IT?
Scott   (06.06.10)
Dont worry sunshine...there'll be an inquiry and it will all come out ...including the "go back to Auschwitz" slur... "we con the world"...get song eh? :-) ALL TRUE!
68. who is ehud barak?
alexu   (06.06.10)
Is he another ehud olmert, a coward of historic proportions??!! Moshe Dann has an article recounting barak's military failures. If you add them up, you have the impression of a bumbler and if you look at his concessions to arafat, his early demand to stop the gaza war before gains were achieved, his not doing anything during the training incident where soldiers were in need or likewise at the chinese farm, or sultan yakoub, it paints a devastating picture. He did nothing to stop suicide bombing unlike sharon, and worst, he stood around when 2 soldiers were publically lynched in ramallah. Only an olmert coward could approve of naval commandos carrying paintball guns. After world war ii, no jew should walk into violence with out full arms to respond appropriately. Niceties are now irrelevant. Barak has to go, he is one of these generals put up as a saviour who is a fraud, and the sooner bibi gets rid of him the better. Yaalon is 1000 times more capable.
69. To 37 Schrodinger’s cat and Faux pas I
The Dude   (06.06.10)
I actually do not see only this side. I also see the law, copy and pasted from previous posters in regard to international maritime law. "The claim by the supporters of Hamas and enemies of Israel, (which include these four "Israeli lawyers") that the seizure of the enemy flotilla was illegal under international law and, in particular, the U.N. Convention on the High Seas have no legal basis. First, Article 86 of the 1982 United Nations Convention on the High Seas specifically excludes from its application any portion of the sea that is "included in the exclusive economic zone, in the territorial sea or in the internal waters of a State..." This seizure took place within Israel's exclusive economic zone. Second, nothing in the 1982 Convention applies to war nor did it alter or amend long-standing international law doctrines in place since Roman Times, in particular, the law of contraband and the law of blockade. Under the 1854 Declaration of Paris, a blockade must be maintained by a force sufficient really to prevent access to the coast of the enemy. The Turkish demand that Israel allow the Hamas flotilla “free passage” to the Gaza port must be understood, in this context, as a demand that Israel give up its legitimate right to self-defense by imposing the blockade in the first place. Third, in time of war, any belligerent has the right to blockade the enemy and possesses the right to board and inspect any ship, neutral or otherwise, which seeking to run the blockade to determine whether there is contraband on board the ship. Such boarding may be done ANYWHERE, including on the high seas, as in the case where U. S. and other ships seized a North Korean freighter carrying SCUD missiles 600 miles off the coast of Yemen a few years back. Fourth, under Article 59 of the 1949 Geneva Convention, Israel has the right to inspect all “relief” shipments bound for Gaza to ensure that what is being transported is, in fact, “relief” supplies within the meaning of the Geneva Convention. " San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994 International law for armed conflicts at sea The San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea says in paragraph 67: 67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they: (a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture. So your aguement about an illegal storming of a ship is invalid. Also your arguement about Israeli's doing the same tries to devoid complete context from this situation. It wasn't as if the navy just went and out of the blue stormed the ship. At minimum it contacted the ship three times and pleaded with them to change course. It had ALSO offered an alternative stating that whatever they wanted to bring to Gaza would get their after Israeli inspection. It isn't as if, as you are trying to state indirectly that Gaza is hermetically sealed from the rest of the world. And finally in regard to this point you ignore that the other 5 ships did not have any violence, as it was specific to this one.
70. To 37 Schrodinger’s cat and Faux pas II
The Dude   (06.06.10)
And to say that this should have been expected is to completely and disgustedly redefine what a 'peace activists' is. The fact is that these 'peace activists' are actively trying to present themselves as gentle Gandhian activists, however arming themselves with knives, metal bars, and slingshots is exactly THE kind of paradox that Schrodinger’s cat describes. If you are a peace activists and talking about non-violence, then passive aggressive actions and verbal insults are the max that occurs. If you are terror supporter and go out and assault somebody, then you by actions alone are negating any kind of connection to 'peace'. You cannot have it both ways. Either they are peaceful and non-violent even in the case of soldiers storming the boat. Or they are violent terror supporters who attacked soldiers the second they landed on the ship with knives. As especially demonstrated in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LulDJh4fWI And a video from the 'peace activists' peacefully stabbing a soldier just landing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeegH1xcKyw I didn't realize that this was what a neo-peace activists did....I thought they would chain themselves together, sing songs, and generally just jeer the soldiers... but I guess the definition of 'peace activists has changed. The argument that this was 'wrest fighting', which I presume you mean wrestling was not the case. As both videos clearly show that this was a direct attack with a club, which can easily kill. And well generally stabbings have a tendency of being quite lethal. Also this point that pushing someone off the boat is 'not lthreatening' is laughable as devoid of context as the rest of your response. This wasn't like they pushed him off a canoe in the middle of a lake. This was after a severe pummeling which could have easily broken limbs and limited physical mobility or led to a concussion, which is literally a death sentence if you are thrown into the water. Also the height and size of this boat isn't small. It's literally the size of 3-4 story building. If you feel that it isn't dangerous to be thrown from a 4th story building into choppy sea water in the middle of the night, try it! And all what has been described and shown in these videos is very clearly enough for lethal use of force. We can actually take a case example from your adoptive homeland of Canada, in which the police are quite clear. If a person even if they are carrying just a broken beer bottle and step forward at a police officer after being warned, follow a no tolerance policy and immediately use lethal force. The fact is that you failed to grasp what exactly is Schrodinger’s cat. It's the concept that their is indeed a paradox, in that you have two situations that can exist. However, are mutually exclusive. Either the cat is dead or alive. In this case either they are peace-activists who were attacked. Or they were terror supporters who actively prepared to attack soldiers. The fact that they are releasing photo, quite proudly, about how they pummeled Israeli soldiers, conjoined with these aforementioned videos I have linked too, and the consideration of international law. Is that they have clearly opened the box to show that indeed they are not 'peace activists' but violent mercenaries sitting and waiting for confrontation with Israel. You cannot say you want peace while stabbing someone in the gut.
71. HERE ARE ALL THE FACTS
Nana ,   Tel-aviv   (06.06.10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KUcv452KbU&feature=channel
72. To#49
Jan ,   Every human person   (06.06.10)
Nour wouldn't you be petrified to face a gang of thugs. The soldiers only had paint ball guns. The soldiers were attacked with knives,steel poles. steel chains, steel balls. Every normal person can see who was right and who was wrong
73. To # 61
Ana ,   Spain   (06.06.10)
What about all the hundreds of mobil homes Israel donated to Turkey. Some people have short memories!
74. Why erase photos? They explicitly prove
Vardina   (06.06.10)
the fact that Israeli soldiers were attacked first by Muslim terrorists. Now we know in addition that the group of terrorists boarded the ship at another port to avoid security checking. Some kind of peace envoys... Pity they have not been drowned.
75. Beware of the Turks
Dr D ,   Jerusalem   (06.06.10)
Avoid vacationing in Turkey. Avoid Kebab places in Europe own by Turks. Avoid Turk taxi drivers. Those guys are crazy, fanatics and can be dangerous. No wonder the EU refused them as a member. Who need 70 millions additional problems?
76. then he souldnt been on the same vessel withj terrorist on t
Itamar ,   London   (06.06.10)
77. #39 Your sources?
Madeleine ,   Israel   (06.06.10)
Al Jezeera with countless Turkish accounts? Two Kuwaiti ladies - were these on board the ship, were they close enough to our soldiers "read" their eyes? You Moslems lie, lie and then lie somemore - anything to twist the truth. poor you.
78. Israeli Governament =An impotent group of ministers
Proud Israeli   (06.06.10)
So many ministers who are doing nothing and never take responsability. The S-13 are the best unit -but when the cabinet are a bunch of pussies this is unfortunately the result.
79. # 50 , Helsinki protocol
Sedat ,   Turkey   (06.06.10)
Those, Helsinki principles are valid in territorial waters only , how did you miss that point? read all law pls.. And Israel attacked in international waters.. and another paragraph from that protocol.. again should be in territorial waters.. Merchant ships flying the flag of a neutral State and carrying only civilian passengers, e.g., liners, may not be attacked but must be diverted to an appropriate port to complete capture, unless they are incorporated into or assist the enemy’s intelligence system.
80. to # 47
sercan ,   Turkey   (06.06.10)
What has AKP done ? except muddle up every relations with Israel and EU ? Erdogan trys to be vanguard, but he is now end of the edge.
81. #31
Jasmin ,   Haifa   (06.06.10)
Oh, Nour, I feel *so-o-o* sorry for pirates. [sound of alligator tears splashing on keyboard] Bashing your head in or stabbing you wouldn't make you cry? Well, *bully* for you!
82. To #48
Jasmin ,   Haifa   (06.06.10)
Yes, you are so right! But I suppose if a peace activist wrests somebody else's pistol away from him and then shoots him with it, he's still a peace activist - according to SOME people's definition. How they explain away the knives, axes and metal rods, I will be interested to hear.
83. Turks release evidence showing "activists" did not complly
Rich in Boston ,   Boston USA   (06.06.10)
with international law and peacefully surrender the ship. Investigate IHH and Turkey links in international court. The people demand it.
84. # 61
Birdi ,   Israel   (06.06.10)
You expect us to believe this? the Israeli team asked the wounded before treating them, "are you Jewish?" Tayfun you are really off your rocker. Just like the israeli team asked in Haiti....yeah, sure.
85. # 65
Birdi ,   Israel   (06.06.10)
Such a great pity you werent with the activists Chris to show them how to kill.
86. #12 - you're not very smart, or brainwashed!
michael redbourn ,   Arad, Israel   (06.06.10)
Do you realize that in all the wars against Israel that not one meter of Israel was captured? Hundreds of kilometers of land that belonged to Arab attackers was captured but not one meter of Israeli. Israeli soldiers and the government are not barbarians and they arrived on the boat with orders not to use live ammunition against peace activists. The Muslim attackers were brutal cowards and you should hide your head in shame. Michael
87. Nour
Jasmin ,   Haifa   (06.06.10)
I clicked by mistake on "Recommend this talkback." Oops! OK - there are your sources for all to see. Now - would you care to explain to me how you can have your cake and eat it too? I If the Shayetet 13 guys were the weak incompetent scaredy-cats in contrast to the brave heroes with their knives, axes and metal rods, how can the S13 be portrayed as aggressively attacking peace-loving civilians?
88. Killing of innocent and harmless cannot be justified
FKhan ,   USA   (06.06.10)
Israeli soldiers hurt lightly and then they shot people in face, killed harmless people men and women without any conscience. They deserve strict punishment.
89. # 64
Birdi ,   Israel   (06.06.10)
All investigations into this episode will not want to hear "what wasnt" done to the IDF commandos.What will count is, what was done to the commandos.
90. # 58
Birdi ,   Israel   (06.06.10)
Nope, the word "poor" is not in your post # 12. Invest in a pair of reading glasses, to help your brain.
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