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Report: Obama warned Erdogan of flotilla probe
Roee Nahmias
Published: 03.07.10, 10:55
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1. And look what a Midterm election can do to assauge Obama...
The Dude   (07.03.10)
2. Quite Frankly
idkak ,   Istanbul, Turkey   (07.03.10)
Firstly the flotilla isn't tied directly to the AKP party, it is more in ties with the Saadet party which is the open supporter of this IHH and the flotilla (If you think AKP is religious, then this party makes them look like atheists so much so that the party was closed.) That said the Turkish PM , President and a few others should explain themselves openly due to their 'sympathy' towards Hamas, I hope it is only to bring them to cease action and talk in the political arena for a peace alternative rather than the standing Israeli policy towards them. In any case as a Turk, I would also like to know if those in the flotilla were in fact tied to the Hamas, if so the PM nor its party wont survive the next election and will face charges / closure/ban from politics. Quite frankly, I couldn't care less even if it ended up blowing up in their faces. That said the ships were still Turkish ships and it was still attacked by Israel and Turkish citizens were killed in international waters far away from any blockade or patrol zone of Israel for that alone the people in charge and related to this along with Israel; must answer for and if necessary be judged. Otherwise this will lead to complete fallout of mutual relations, so much so that it will effect Israelis and Israeli firms quite much allover the globe. I think another thing that Israel, and Israelis have to answer for, is the reason of their sudden hatred of "Turks" and their joining of anti-Turk mobs, this is the main point for people in Turkey not the flotilla.
3. Why does Obama want to hide the truth?
Dan   (07.03.10)
Hussein Obama does not want the world to know that terrorists were on the Marmara, so he warns his Muslim friend Erdogan not to have an enquiry. How typical of the man who dared to compare the holocaust to Palestinian suffering!!!
5. OBAMA IS JUST REPEATING WHAT HIS JEWISH PAYMASTER TELL HIM 2
SINGER ,   SINGAPORE   (07.03.10)
6. Mr Idkak
David ,   USA /ISRAEL /EGYPT   (07.03.10)
Why? Israelis started to hate the Turks. Your elected Premier has been attacking Israel and it"s government relentlessly for over a year calling them anything under the sun and aligning himself with countries that want to destroy Israel.What do you expect the Israelis to do, Say thank you my friends.
7. #3 Idkak - you are wrong
Oren ,   Or Yehuda   (07.03.10)
Israel acted according to international law - Helsinki 1974. Here was a ship bringing supplies which could have held weapons as has happened before and according to law Israel has an obligation to stop the terrorists even in international waters. Remember that they were warned 6 hours before hand as well. Israel owes Turkey nothing.
8. # 2
Birdi ,   Israel   (07.03.10)
I suggest you first ask yourself why the Turks hate the Jews & why the Turks hate Israel? If Turkey is so concerned about the plight of the Palestinian people, there are many other normal ways to try to help them. Trying to break a legal blockade is illegal & Turkey should know this.
9. Turks chose their direction,
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10. Apologize to some of the 'flotillian's'
tiki ,   belgium   (07.03.10)
Why doesn't the US president 'try to persuade the Turkish PM to 'apologise (after 2 years) to Israel's President Peres for his 'primitiv, abominable and rude behaviour in Davos? Even if Peres would not be President of Israel (an independed, democratic country and friend, so Obama sais), but just a CEO, or a private citizen, this behaviour was/is just 'scandalous, and NOBODY should accept this from this primitiv bulldog, the Turkish PM. (FM. Lieberman, who the 'refined world is 'boycotting for his 'rude behaviour/talk, hasn't behaved this way EVER.
11. Bad dream between fiends
Nathan Helfman ,   Maagan Michael   (07.03.10)
There is little doubt, that on a random survey, most Israelis would reveal their "soft spot" for Turkey: the sea, marinas, the mountains, streams and mostly the PEOPLE. I've sailed the coasts of Turkey, toured the cities while always deeply sensing a natural kinship between us. So natural is this kinship, that time will suredly heal this wound and dispel this bad dream between friends.
12. answer to #2
an Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (07.03.10)
The answer is because you chose a government which is anti Israeli. If Turkey would kill Kurdish Terrorists before their action at international water would you ask the same question? Don't you allowed to catch criminals before their acts? The flotilla was aiming to brake a legal blockade, there are youtube videos the proves that they declared it by themselves (do you have access to youtube?), so what Israeli done was perfectly legal.
13. #2 you are a funny man....
Jon   (07.03.10)
You should become a comedian
14. Picture of Erdogan
cn ,   USA   (07.03.10)
It shows that Ynet is biased. Why not put a normal picture?
15. #6,#7,#8
idkak ,   Istanbul, Turkey   (07.03.10)
#6 The Turkish PM began this when? after Israel decided to attack Lebanon without so much as to give warning to the Turkish side, who was trying to negotiate. Turkey has not called for the destruction of Israel ever, maybe you're mixing Turks with Iranians.. which is funny. #7 Since the ships were searched by a sovereign NATO country not an enemy of Israel for weapons and Turkey even went as far to declare to Israel both through diplomatic channels and through the media just in case; "that they had no weapons, and were searched" .. so I fail to see Israel's 'right'. If you think that Israel does have the right then under similar pretense any Israeli ship on high seas (70-100 miles from Turkish patrol zones) should also be boarded for search / inspection of smuggling of weapons by SAT commandos, then they should be directed to Turkish ports and in any event of any resistance or failure to comply, they should be shot in a similar fashion ; as later Turkey can also claim 'self-defense' and tie these people with the PKK terrorists. After all if there is no trust, then why the heck should Turkey trust Israel on any level? Israel isn't the only country nor is it the last one on the face of the planet. In the aftermath what was found on the ships? weapons? yep metal poles/wooden sticks probably cut off from ships railings, kitchen knives/ knives or 2-3 hand guns, that they most probably took from the IDF a threat to Israel ? come on this is funny at best. Turkey 4-5 years back got intel on Mossad agents and Israeli army officers in N.Iraq communicating and passing arms to the PKK, did Turkey kill them? nope.. they didn't even do anything about it, not to harm mutual relations. So you are wrong, not I. Israel owes Turkey quite a bit, that is unless Israel wants another enemy. 8# Firstly I'm a Jew, secondly Turks have never in history hated Jews nor have they hated Israel, so your standardized Muslim mob speech is meaningless and absurd. Most Turks couldn't care much for any "Arab or Muslim" which includes the "Palestinians". They've not only betrayed Turks a million times, but also have supported almost all terrorists active in Turkey till about the 2000's. Besides If Turkey really wanted to break the blockade, it would have sent a couple of corvette / frigate escorts with the flotilla. And if you think Israel has the luxury of attacking the Turkish armed forces, then think again.
16. #3 Obama just slapped Erdogans face in public
bob ,   New Zealand   (07.03.10)
what more do you want? Turkey is an important member of NATO. How do you deal with a hot-head like Erdogan without making things worse? Did Erdogan become a critic of Israel just because of Obama? Yeah right, its raining outside too because of Obama- cant wait for some serious talent like Sarah Palin to take over-
17. International probe of the genocide of 1.5 Armenians by the
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (07.03.10)
Turks is a bit more appropriate than the police action taken by Israel's security forces against those eager to provoke the national home of the Jewish people. Another probe that must commence without any delay is the continuing killing by Turkish forces of Kurds inside and outside of Turkey's borders, thousands of them. And of course, the UN must demand that Turkey depart from northern Cyprus which it has been occupying since 1974, having installed its Turkish puppets there after having expelled the ethnic Greeks from that part of the country. But the world appears to be too cynical to deal with those atrocities that do matter. Don't you wonder, why...??
18. #17
Resistor   (07.03.10)
"Police acion??" Is that the new-speak that Mark Regev has told you to use instead of "assasination", "murder" or international crime? We will bring Israel to justice.
19. #15 Idkak
Ze'ev ,   Lod   (07.03.10)
If an Israeli ship was headed to a Kurdish enclave carrying any type of aid and Turks would demand it to unload the cargo at a Turkish ship, I think Israelis would need to fulfill this demand. Moreover, Israel would probably give up the whole aid thing at request. So we owe you nothing...
20. To Idkak
id   (07.03.10)
Every nations has the right to fight terrorism EVEN and ESPECIALLY in international waters. In this specific situation it was ver close to the blokade zone, only a few hours. The thing that Turkey openly supported politically and logistically this flotilla is by now a fact. It is also a fact that sooner or later it will all blow up in the current government's face with Erdogan behind its wheel. Yes, you are right, it's a Turkish business, but Israel makes it its business to stop any further Erdogan supported IHH bullsh-- from now on. You can bet on it my friend.
21. To #15
Omri ,   Israel   (07.03.10)
You know, there is a reason for Israel not trusting Turkey's inspection. That’s because turkey is rather pro Hamas in the matter of wanting to lift the blockade. Do know that if there was no blockade then a lot more people in Israel would die to rockets. It's wrong to say Israel is doing this only because of like 10 people. While the death numbers really are low its because of the blockade, would there be no blockade the numbers would be a lot higher, who knows where it would go. What's for sure is Gaza would become a military base for Iran, not a good thing. Turkey doesn’t want the siege lifted? Maybe, but Erdogan obviously wants it lifted and he is the man in charge right now. For turkey as a country I think letting the blockade be lifted, fallowed by a bigger conflict in the Middle East will be bad for turkey in many ways. I think many Turks understand that, but then again Erdogan is the man in charge now. ROFL you think Turkey will just send warships if she wanted the blockade lifted? That will bring war, you can't just send military units wherever you want and expect the other side to sit aside. This is probably the reason no country like Iran is bringing a warship to break the blockade (Iran if I'm correct doesn’t have a navy but they can use North Korean navy or something like that, its really no big problem). Remember not only a move like that will bring deaths to both sides, but Israel just so happens to have a military alliance with turkey, you may think it silly but the Turkish military doesn’t see the world like Erdogan. Israel is not so military weak as you seem to be thinking. In modern warfare it's really the high-tech that matters more then the numbers, Israel is very advanced on high tech weaponry.
22. #18
Yaron ,   USA   (07.03.10)
Bring it on.....there have been your kind of ilk in the past and will be in the future. Israel and good people the world over have experienced your kind of resistance.....resistance of the truth. You and your talkbacks are simply evidence that the world is still a dark place and that no matter the progress the world makes there will always be idiots like you to entertain the village.
23. turkey also suffers from Jerusalem syndrome
ygalg ,   israel   (07.03.10)
that is of no surprise as it is a disease of Abrahamic religions in the case of turkey that would be Islam
24. Changements in Turkey.
Ron B. ,   Lod   (07.03.10)
Recently, Turkey has been reaching out to the Arab League and Iran. The Turkish "humanitarian" group IHH, whose members provoked the flotilla raid, was shown by a Turkish government investigation to be a violent, militant organization. On June 9 at the U.N. Security Council, Turkey voted against U.S.-backed sanctions on Iran to impede its illicit nuclear weapons program. Iran also supplies Hamas, the intended beneficiary of the blockade-busters, with weapons to carry out anti-Israel terrorist activity. More at : http://xrl.us/bhpqzj
25. They could do that today
Shimon ,   Cincinnati, USA   (07.03.10)
All those Arab leaders and Erdogan could pray together in Jerusalem TODAY if they so wished. That's the difference Israel has made: EVERYONE (except terrorists) can go and pray where and how they wish without fear. That was NOT true before 1967 was it, Arab leaders?
26. #19, #20, #21, #24
idkak ,   Istanbul, Turkey   (07.03.10)
#19 You're right, too bad that Turkey has caught both Israel and the US red handed supplying arms in N.Iraq with the PKK/PJAK terrorists. Sadly they decided to hush hush the matter, instead of declaring war. #20 Yep they do, but I would be very careful with that phrase as many various countries neighboring Turkey, that hate Turks have provided, are still providing, support, weapons, education for Terrorist groups, religious sects... that were active in Turkey and or are still active. Here is a short list for PKK/PJAK/KADEK/Kongra-Gel/ KGK.. (and their political so be counterparts HEP/DEP/HADEP/DEHAP/DTP + the current BDP) ; Italy, Greece, Cyprus, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, France, UK, US. Short list for ASALA that was before the PKK; Cyprus, Greece, Syria, Lebanon, Soviet Union, Armenia. Note that : ASALA dissolved when Israel invaded Lebanon in '82 and the PLO withdrew their support from them. Then there is the Islamic Sects which are almost as bad as terrorists again short list : Iran, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt.. Its pretty dumb to think that the general population in Turkey is about to 'trust' , 'ally' or 'support' any of the above countries. So if any country has the right to defend itself from terrorists attacking its soil, or their supporters. Then Turkey should declare war and annihilate the most recent of the bunch of countries in the above list which happens to be Iraq (mainly N.Iraq). And the top supporter / supplier is the U.S. for them. Irony is that Turkey doesn't have the right to protect itself in the eyes of the west, but it is needed to send 100-300 thousand soldiers under NATO/UN label to locations in the world from Africa to Afghanistan to aid the US and EU. And the terrorists are still labeled 'kurdish rebels' in the west regardless of the fact that they kill as many Kurds as they do Turks. #21 I said IFF Turkey wanted to lift the blockade it would have. And I doubt very much that Israel would have done anything, as regardless of the comments here Israel isn't crazy enough to declare war on a Turkey, a NATO country which other NATO countries are obliged to help. But who knows the world is a crazy place. Never considered Israeli military to be weak, Israel has a pretty capable armed forces. But even a high-tech weapon is limited by its own user and its capabilities in general, along with the circumstances and theaters of a possible war... that said even though its nearly impossible for both countries to go to war with each other, Israel isn't a match for Turkey in wartime. As far as technology goes, well look up Turkey's armed forces...there is a diluted version on the wiki. #24 Turkey's interest in the Arab League and Iran is solely for economic reasons and the expansion of its market to these places.. And don't think that Turkey is alone in this endeavor, take a look at EU, US companies active allover the place in a variety of sectors from energy to military with them..Turkey voted against the UN sanctions, along with Brazil.. the result? The US has "asked" both countries to continue with the talks with Iran ; as it has achieved more than the west has achieved for decades...
27. # 2 Quite frankly
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (07.03.10)
Idkak ! a couple of points,a while back Turkey with great fanfare raided IHH and confiscated arms,which indicates the terrorist nature of this organization,whether the organization is tied to Hamas,Alkeda or Hezbula ,is irrelevant,the fact is that the Turkish government knew of the plans of this provocation flotilla,using Turkish ships under the turkish flag,and did nothing to stop it makes Turkey an accomplice in a crime,as far the issue of international waters,after Israel handed over Gaza to the palestinians on a silver plate,the Gaza palestinians responded by attacking Israel with over 10,000 rackets, so,a state of war exists between Israel and Gaza Palestine,the provocation flotilla was in a war zone,Israel had every right to intercept the ships,during ww 2 England sunk 2 German warships in international waters,the Bismark,and the von Tirpitz,can you imagine ? during ww 2 Turkey bringing supplies to beleaguered Japan,without the American Navy stopping and searching the ships,Turkey permits Iran To ship arms to Hezbula on trains through Turkey via Syria,so you expect Israel to trust Turkey with it's military plans ?,i understand as a Jew you have to be more Turk than the Turks ,it's o.k.but just don't overdo it.
28. #26 idkak
Ze'ev ,   Lod   (07.03.10)
As I see it, the bottom line is that action of Turkish government were directly aimed at Israeli soft belly. No surprise Israel responded with force. I understand the issue of Turkish pride. But I think Erdogan could have foreseen that Turkish citizens will get hurt (even if not killed). So putting one plus one you get that Erdogan knew that supporting flotillia will devastate bilateral relations. Therefore, it was a blunt diplomatic aggression against Israel. First you provoke Israel, then you burn our flags...
29. Idkak: You speak as if UR the Almighty!
iObserver and News ,   Israel   (07.03.10)
I do, as do most westerners, find it highly amusing that third world wafflers are so damn arrogant and rationalize the silliest concepts to fit their own pathetic realities. NATO is RUN and OWNED by the US, who blatantly chooses Israel over Turkey. Turkey does NOT engage in any combat roles in the ME out of principle (Islamic) and gave NATO a helluva hard time using it's bases or airspace when NATO had agreed that Iraqi and Afghan factions had been responsible for numerous attacks on NATO allies. So if you think NATO would help Turkey against Israel, well, smoke some more opium. If Turkys military is so advanced then, uh, why do they get most of their advanced weapons fro Israel and the US? Turkey (and it's citizens like you...and bro, you are NO Jew) is not imune to the hysterical egomania and 'big talk' that most ME Muslim nations are. You should hear yourself: it's silly at best. Turkey is just beginning to suffer the consequences of it's own stupidity: your economy won't recover for decades as a result of your current leaderships arrogance. & by the way: you idiots illegally violate Iraqi airspace and kill civilians there on a regular basis, of course, not to mention your genocide against the Armenians. Big talker. Lol
30. 7 Oren - if you so convinced Israel was within its right
Suliman,Istanbul   (07.03.10)
why oppose international investigation?
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