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The Jew and the shiksa
Yisrael Wolman
Published: 06.08.10, 00:03
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61. What a "Racist" article !!
Andrew ,   Miami,FL   (08.06.10)
if this had been written by a white christian - it would be labeled racist - shame on the author "White christians should protect our race by not intermarrying with jews - so that pure whiteness can be maintained.." or something like that
62. #32 #33 so that's Messianic Judaism is it?
bob ,   NZ   (08.06.10)
Strewth! I've met a lot of American fundamentalist christians online and while I personally think their beliefs are ridiculous , I cannot imagine any of them ( apart from a member of the Westboro Babtist Church cult ) wishing that God would punish someone they disliked by causing his children to be still-born or born with birth defects. What a dreadful thing to say! You should be ashamed of yourself
63. ...and the shiksa.
London guy ,   London   (08.06.10)
Difficult to believe that a respected newspaper like YNET would refer to Chelsea Clinton, daughter of a former US president, as a 'shiksa'. I think we all know that the meaning of this word is 'abomination' and other similar awful connotations. Would you be offended if you saw a US paper with the headline "Chelsea Clinton and the Yid"? Is it not about time that your sub-editors noticed the abject sneering inherent in the use of some words. It would have been so easy to replace it with "non-Jew" and I feel sure that an experienced journalist such as Yisrael Wolman did not submit his article with the word shiksa in the headline. Shiksa? Headline in a respected newspaper. Absolutely disgraceful.
64. ...marries a shiksa..
London guy ,   London   (08.06.10)
It's a good job she didn't marry into the Obama family - as YNET sub-editors would probably have declamed "Chelsea Clinton marries a schwartze" What world do you live in where you sit on top of a mountain and throw sneering derogatory terms at others. Simply disgusting.
65. it's a mans' world
sweeter than honey ,   far away   (08.06.10)
and even without chelsea this prince has had a life most privileged in world terms. i doubt if he's ever been hungry, done hard physical labour, suffered injustice, etc., etc.. he's also got employment that , if he works to live, will afford him high comfort. in world terms, it's fair to say he could be envied. there is thus no doubt that he had an element of choice, and he chose chelsea clinton. as far as i can estimate his free choice would be because she's best for the job (of being his wife). that no jewish girl got the job, is a reflection upon jewish girls and their inadequacies, as it is generally a mans' world and the men chose to marry, women chose too and consent. this is a, perhaps understandable, relection upon the suitability (looks? attitude? whatever!), of the jewish girls who sought the job, (or who maybe didn't, perhaps because he wasn't rich enough, or had the wrong attitude?). perhaps they expected to get the job because they are jewish? well it doesn't work like that girls. and if internmarriage is so high percentage wise, then jewish girls might find out what jewish boys want and be that. it is obvious that they are not bothering, certainly in the diaspora, and men being men in a free world, will make a free choice.
66. 2 seperate people
Olim hadashim ,   Tel Aviv/Israel   (08.06.10)
I think that there is a great segment of people who call themselves jews but in reality are not according to the jewish law.It is now our rabbis task to help people who want to stay jewish with more stringent laws.To those who assimilate : All the best in your new lives.
67. Not a shiksa but a concubine
Mordechai   (08.06.10)
There is no such thing in Jewish law of marrying a non Jewish woman. Chelsea has the same status of anyone else Mezvinsky pays for sex. Given the family she wasn't his first or his last.
68. This is for Sagi #6
Shoshana ,   RBS, Israel   (08.06.10)
I am the product of intermarriage and I resent everything you said! You have no idea the HELL we children go through because of intermarriage. You, Sagi, are one of our problems! We are JEWS we were meant to be separate and apart from all the other nations. I am from that "melting pot" you refer to and it is time you get off the fence. Jump off, Sagi, on one side or the other!!! I dare you!
69. The Anglo American And The Kike
(08.06.10)
Need I say more?
70. WOW! Ynet, you called someone a Shiksa
Nick Sporek ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (08.06.10)
Shame on you. This article is pure trash.
71. #60 -- It's not for you a Jewish Male
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (08.06.10)
...to decide what is "mild[ly] derogatory" to a non-Jewish female. That would be like a Christian saying that the K-word is okay because its origins are in the Yiddish word for circle, which Jews would sign with to avoid an X which was like a cross.
72. THE FINAL WORD ON THE MATTER
LAWRENCE RAP ARTISTE ,   SAFED ISRAEL   (08.06.10)
The term "Shiksa" sounds derogatory to me ,or at least not very nice .Non-jewish women are often lovely ,both inside and out .They are delightful and there is nothing wrong with them .Nevertheless, if a jewish man wishes to have jewish children he needs a jewish woman .END OF STORY .
73. headline on wedding story
James Gibson ,   Pittsburgh, USA   (08.06.10)
Please advise your writers that the term "shiksa" (root: sh-k-tz) means "detestable thing" and is unacceptable in discussion concerning non-Jews. It is offensive.
74. RHYMING SLANG
LAWRENCE RAP ARTISTE ,   SAFED ISRAEL   (08.06.10)
Rather than unpleasant terms such as Yid and Shiksa ,why not use good old London Cockney Rhyming Slang . FOUR BY TWO = Jew KENWOOD MIXER =Shiksa Red Sea Pedestrian =Jew A He brew = a strong cup of tea .FRONT WHEEL SKID =Yid
75. Shame. She looks so thin. Hope Marks mother teachers her to
rebecca ,   Modiin   (08.06.10)
cook properly.
76. To #67
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (08.06.10)
You can't possibly know your own history or you wouldn't spout that kind of garbage. Look back on King David's family tree. Ohoh, there's Ruth, the Moabite. Then there's Solomon. Ohoh, his son and future king is the product of Solomon's marriage to an Ammonite. So much for Jewish law! Maybe it doesn't apply to those in charge. As for your last sentence, have you forgotten that Bill Clinton, he of the Monica Lewinski affair, is Chelsea's father??? If I were a nasty human being , I could say that poor Marc is in for it. And if I believed in religious BS, maybe Chelsea is God's revenge on the Jews, because that trashy Monica led astray Chelsea's father. How would that sound, other than totally morinic? Wouldn't it be much healthier to see the world the way it is than to delude oneself with wishful thinking?
77. Live and let live...
moi ,   ici   (08.06.10)
I don't understand why everyone is so upset about this....I have 4 jewish kids, and they should decide with who they will marry....I couldn't care much about which religion background my kids spouses will have, more important if they are decent , honest people.....can we stop already talking about this wedding....who really cares?????
78. The Answer is Affordable Jewish Education
Dan ,   Los Angeles   (08.06.10)
The answer to stop assimilation is affordble Jewish education. I as a Jew in Los Angeles married to another Jew, cannot afford Jewish schools here. With my middle class salary I don't qualify for a scholarship. I am in the point where I don't make enough to afford it and I make too much to get a scholarship. I know in the case of Marc his parents have enough money to buy several Jewish schools, but what about the middle class Jew who wants their children to have a Jewish identity and can't afford it? If my kids marry a shiksa I will blame the Jewish establishment for not helping to fund their education
79. Looking Back
Dan ,   USA   (08.06.10)
I'm an American Jew in my mid seventies, married 49 years to a shiksa. We have two daughters and grandchildren who go to a conservative temple pre school. When I look back at my six closest Jewish boyhood friends, all married Jewish girls, all are divorced and now happily married to shiksas. It's a wonderful world if religion doesn't ruin it for everyone.
80. Now you are being silly!
Song of Songs ,   London UK   (08.06.10)
Moyshe instituted marriage and the Christian and Jewish Services are directed towards the same priorities. Monogamy, raisingGod fearing children in the family, showing kindness to the less fortunate, and truth, integrity and courage, which sesem in short supply in this generation..and they are aa new unit for the Lords purposes without interference of in-laws on either side! Perhaps you would fare better if you did not indulge your critical spirits so much and were just a discriminating about where you invest your money and about obeying God in this area first! Love is a gift it is meant to grow. This couple deserve a fresh start like any other new family..we all work out our salvation with fear and trembling none of us has arrived, the rich or the lowly
81. Shoshana 68
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.06.10)
The hell , yes . But only from one side ? Does the "other" side accepts you ?
82. 77 , toi , la bas ...
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.06.10)
I prefer to have Jewish in laws and Jewish grandchildren . And i have . One of the reasons that we spend thousands of Euros [ converted in today's money ] for a full time 15 year long Jewish education in a Jewish school . The result : we all made Alyah . And we are secular , but Jewish from head to toe . Juifs des pieds a la tete !
83. They can spend all that money on a wedding
Scott ,   San Diego, CA   (08.06.10)
... But evidently very little on a sound Jewish education.
84. Be more flexible.
Ruby ,   USA   (08.07.10)
I think the Rabbinate needs to review its policies about the children of mixed marriages. Most Gentiles who marry Jews aren't that religious or marrying a Jew who didn't convert to their religion would never occur to them. They are mostly secular and don't give a damn about religion. Children of such unions pay more attention to their Jewish blood. They'll say they are part Jewish and part Irish, for example. Treating it more like a nationality or ethnicity than a religion. With these factors, I don't see why the child isn't given a choice to formally be a Jew. I realize the child of a Jewish woman has more latitude, but why write off the child of a Jewish man if the mother doesn't want to convert? The father should be able to sponsor his children to the faith without it being a long, involved process. Especially if the mother does not object. Just a thought.
85. Good grief
Roger ,   USA   (08.07.10)
Reading many of the talkbacks from Jewish posters here makes it easier to understand why Jews have been somewhat less than popular for the last two thousand years.
86. Most shiksas who "convert" are frauds.
anti-intermarriage ,   dffdlss@yahoo.com   (08.07.10)
Their children won't be really Jews anyway. All self-hating Jewish men who intermarry have non-Jewish children so why should we care? that is great news.
87. #78
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (08.07.10)
Bull. In my family we all had our Jewish education in home, and intermarriages were very rare. Actually, the case that comes to mind where there was intermarriage was of a kid who did go to Hebrew School in the afternoon and Jewish Sunday School! Formal Jewish education is not necessary if the home background is providing it.
88. Shiksa? what a nasty word to use
Talula ,   Israel   (08.07.10)
I feel disgusted by this article and ashamed - and for anyone living outside Israel - Yisrael Wolman doesn't speak for the rest of us. He's obviously a moron with limited diction. What an asshole!
89. Dorothy 87 , a fiull time Jewish school
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.07.10)
is part of the solution . But the best thing to avoid intermarriage : ALYAH
90. HAREDIM
Zichron   (08.07.10)
THE HAREDIM ARE MULTIPLYING AND THIS WILL FORM A BALANCE TO PLURALISM BOTH NEED EACHOTHER.
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