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US wants agreement now, peace later
Shimon Shiffer
Published: 27.08.10, 10:23
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31. @Wissam #23 The author of 242 confirmed his version !
Trumpeldor ,   eurabyeh   (08.27.10)
From "occupied" and surely not from ALL "occupiied" territories ! I wish you a peaceful Shabbath.
32. Obama will sell out Israel
Dan ,   Titusville, FL   (08.27.10)
Peace-Peace-Peace is all Obama screams but when Mao asked Nixon is Peace all you want, Nixon wisely said "Peace with Justice". Obama is not that wise as Community Organizers know nothing of justice. They just know their diapers are full and the Government needs to change them.
33. IT'S NOW OR NEVER
BOB RUBEN   (08.27.10)
SPEND TIME
34. Peace with Palestinians
(08.27.10)
No chance of peace between Jews & Muslims,for many reasons,such as hatred of each other,even if Abbas (PA) came into agreement with Israel.How about Hamas,Islamic Jihad,and the rest of their organisations which oppose the peace with Israel and the Jews. Forget about Peace.
35. The Arabs need to make only concession: Accept Israel's...
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (08.27.10)
...right to be, to exist as the nation-state of the Jewish people. To date they have not made this "major" concession and have no plans of making it or any other. It is time Obama realized this, unless he feels as they do, that Israel is not here by right, and it is not by right that it is the nation-state of the Jewish people. If this is how he feels, he should make it clear to us, Jews, and to the people who brought him to the White House...!!
36. The true solution
Paul ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (08.27.10)
The Christian Clinton tried and failed, the Muslim Obama will try and fail, next it's time to try the guaranteed Jewish solution. A solution too terrifying for the likes of Ynet to publish. We don't need a prophet to know where this is all headed if we fail to accept our destiny.
37. Peace later = peace never
Frank ,   Canada   (08.27.10)
This is a scam.
38. # 8 Jehudah, you have made this point and your are right,
Gila Yardeni ,   Kibbutz Beit Hashita   (08.27.10)
very right. I am afraid however that the powers that be simply don't listen, and maybe this is the reason why we are still talking about the same thing instead of resolving the conflict once and for all. Anyhow, I want to thank you for your persistent. Gila
39. MY YOUR OWN BUSINESS, OBAMA
furious in Tel Aviv ,   Israel   (08.27.10)
You haven't succeeded in your own country. Stay out of ours. We'll listen to you after you give back ALL the lands belonging the the native American Indians that your country STOLE from them - and pay reparations for ALL the American Indians you MASSACRED. Deal with your problems and stay the hell out of the situation here, Mr. Muslim American President. Just who do you think you are that you are going to force us to give up land full with the blood of all our soldiers who fought the attacking armies of enemy countries in 4 different wars already. Each time they attacked and each time they lost more land. They don't want PEACE they want PIECE. Go hide your head in a mosque Obama. We don't ever want to see you here in Israel. You don't ever deserve to have even your little toe in our country.
40. :: Ten years to implement?
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (08.27.10)
Ten years sounds like a long time but I suppose that it will take that amount of time of Palestinians living in diaspora to return home. This is the deal on the table: 1) The removal of all IDF solders and illegal settlers from the Palestinian WB. 2) If the PA agrees, some minor 1:1 land swaps followed by agreement on final internationally recognized borders. 3) A transit corridor between Gaza and the WB of which Israel will have no control over. 4) Israel renounces any and all claims to E Jerusalem. 5) Israel recognizes the State of Palestine as an independent nation state with full sovereignty over its land, coastal and air space. 6) Just settlement of the Palestinian refugee problem. 7) Israel and Palestinians agree to the setting up of Peace and Reconciliation tribunals. 8) Israel recognizes that this peace agreement is *final*. If Israel wants peace it must agree to these eight points without reserve.
41. WRONG! PEACE NOW - AGREEMENT LATER
Phyllis ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (08.27.10)
First step - before anything else - all the Arab countries MUST recognize and accept the legality and the existence of the State of Israel. Then after 5 years of quiet - without rocket attacks, suicide terrorists, attacks from atop the Temple Mount on Jews praying at the Western Wall, etc., etc., etc. - then we can speak about an agreement - and NOT BEFORE.
42. Nol39, Billions in aid, make Israel our business
James ,   Portland   (08.27.10)
furious in telaviv, which planet u livin on? the billions we give in aid to israel, makes israel very much our business. either make peace, or we will end up invading israel like we did iraq n afghanistan
43. :: “Furious in Tel Aviv” - #39
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (08.27.10)
Until such time as Israel stops accepting the billions in foreign aid that the US gives to Israel each year you are in no position to tell Obama to mind his own business.
44. The best painful consession is to kick the Arabs out
Yaniv ,   Israel   (08.27.10)
I agree that someone has to take the pain, but we are the winners of the wars so why we have to make painful concessions? Haven't we learned from Gaza yet? We give them land and they become emboldened to ask for more. When is Israel going to act like a winner and kick the Arabs out?
45. to #42 -
still furious ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (08.27.10)
Whatever money is loaned to Israel comes with the requirement to buy ONLY American goods with it - so you are doing nothing more than spending your money on yourselves. And just remember - 'Don't worry America - Israel is behind you'. And don't make me laugh - Iraq and Afghanistan!!! - you've accomplished nothing in years and years and years and years of money, lives and time wasted - with still no end in sight. And you're probably living on land that originally belonged to - and was stolen from - American Indians. Give your house back to them - and go live in a cave.
46. #42 KINDLY INVADE
LAWRENCE RAP ARTISTE ,   SAFED ISRAEL   (08.27.10)
I will promise you a reception you will never forget.
47. One of the Best Articles
George V ,   Myrtle Beach USA   (08.27.10)
One of the best articles for bringing out the crazy right wingers. It joys me to no end that your talk backs reveal that you do see the writing on the wall. It kills you to know that Israel is about to give up the "Greater" part to have some peace with its neighbors and acceptance in the intl community. It really is sad how racist most of you portray yourselves.
48. are we idiots?
vitenberg ,   saint-mandé FRANCE   (08.27.10)
49. #42 Agreed
Dan the Jafa ,   Auckland, Aotearoa   (08.27.10)
Israel is America's indentured servant and must do what the master tells. I am pretty sure as soon as America returns all stolen Native American land to Native Americans, Israel will have a motivation to Israeli land to palestinians. Or should it be "do as I say, not as I do", eh?
50. Oslo-2 - deal now, war later.
leo ,   usa   (08.27.10)
51. Forgot to mention - typical Obama, just like health reform.
leo ,   usa   (08.27.10)
Support now, die later.
52. are we idiots?
vitenberg ,   saint-mandé FRANCE   (08.27.10)
It's time to move! Deal now, peace later...Agreement now, peace later...Gestures fron israel now, it means retreat. You don't want retreat? OK, you will have redeployment! Gestures from arab side? you will get a full panel of promises, but don't be in a hurry! palestinian, or so called, is democratic people, they have to consult. Wait 10 years... Washington is already Oslo 2... ------------------------------------------------ I read wuith a great pleasure the article of yehoudah about the 242 Soon half a century I spoke and wrote about the subject. I's not a precondition! But not using it is a precondition. Dear Yehoudah, send me a mail So I get your mail address and phone number, and we can work...
53. If you ask any of the critics of Israel here: Do you
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (08.27.10)
accept Israel's right to be, to exist as the nation-state of the Jewish people, based on either historic, ethical and/or legal grounds, without ifs, ands or buts, and you don't receive a positive answer, you know with whom you deal...!! Sadly, cyberspace is loaded with such people, and they should be treated for what they are: in silence!!!
54. Time to move, Settlers
Marco ,   Rio - Brazil   (08.27.10)
Very good prospects, indeed. Now there is no way out for these indecent settlers. Take the example of many Brazilian Jews that moved to Israel... to fulfill a Jewish aspiration? No, just because land was cheaper in the WB. Most of these people had no jobs in Brazil, no professional horizons, so they just packed their bags and move to the settlements, expelling honest and hard-working Pals. It's time for them to pack their bags and move to within the Greenline. THe party is over. Time to work, to get a decent job, pay taxes, as regular, correct, honest Israelis do.
55. Concessions
robert rogoff ,   passaic nj usa   (08.27.10)
Israel has already ceded the Gaza and got in return pain, death and misery in the south...G-d forbid another Islamic Republic is created in Israel, can you imagine the terrible danger this would place on Israel..and 6 million Jews.I can only assume there will be massive emmigration from Israel...CHAS V'Shalom
56. bibi should tell b.o. to get lost!
jason white ,   afula,israel   (08.27.10)
Not one centimeter to the palis! This is our JEWISH holy land and no one else.. b.o. knows he will lose his majority in both Houses. Opinion polls show he is sinking lower each month and most Americans are starting to realize the mistake of electing a moslim president without any experience. b.o. not only put the U.S. in greater debt than all other presidents combined. he has weaken the U.S. militarily and politically internationally. We should come out in the hundreds of thousands to protest this vile enemy coming to our country.But we won't and the cowards in the government here will send the border patrol, police and jobniks to beat and arrest those that do protest. Israel needs new elections now and we need to remove all the m.k.s that were elected before. Remove all those that did not serve in the I.D.F. And elect leaders that will stand up to our enemies and defend our right to not only exist, but to settle the whole land of Israel.
57. smells like..........
OZ   (08.27.10)
a trap by an inginuouos man ,whose whole world view is fed thru smamnthapweors, bzezinsky, g. soros , several immams and biill ayre- hint: all are vehement anti- israel of the worst kind. this imposter- in chief is bound of transforming israel( just like he is bound on transforming the usa ... for the worst) into a weak, divided and rampant by arabs. i'd say, obama stay home ,and don't soli our soil with your presence!
58. :: “Still furious” - #45
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (08.27.10)
You should really read “U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel” by Jeremy M. Sharp which is a US Congressional Research Service’s Report. You will see that contrary to standard US policy Israel is allowed to use over 26% of this military aid to purchase equipment from *Israeli manufacturers*. To quote from the report: “Under the terms of the agreement, Israel will *still* be able to spend 26% of U.S. assistance on Israeli-manufactured equipment”. If you are ignorant on that point you are probably ignorant on the following; 1) From 1949 to 2009 US aid to Israel is approx 91 billion in grants and 15 billion in loans and supplied Israel with F-16 fighter jets/white phosphorus shells/Apache helicopter gunships/etc. 2) Israel received $7.9 billion in loan guarantees from the US. 3) US has also given Israel $1.5 billion in grants for ‘resettling Jewish refugees in Israel’ as well as loan guarantees of $9.2 billion between 1992 and 1997 for Soviet Jewish resettlement. In total the US has given Israel approx $110 billion in direct aid since 1949 to meet Israel’s ‘special needs’. Simply put $110 billion buys the US the right to dictate US foreign policy to Israel.
59. #42 do you a deal
Danny   (08.27.10)
you keep your "billions" and Israel doesn't get forced to buy second rate US smoke and cluster munitions.
60. Obama, the "anti-imperialist", acts like all imperialists
Uri   (08.27.10)
before him with dictates. I think Jehuda is right. Let the parties implement UN 242 and bring the whole conflict to reasonable end.
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