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Holland calls off settlement heads' visit
Aviel Magnezi
Published: 19.09.10, 11:04
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61. Holland asking for curse.......
Jaacov Baumann   (09.19.10)
'' He who curses Israel will be cursed!''
62. #54 the green line
Tahl ,   Ashdod   (09.19.10)
Everything beyond the Green Line is illegal? Says who? The Arab-infulenced International Community? The plain fact is that the "green line" is merely the former border with Jordan. After Jordan lost in its attempt to "throw the Jews to the sea" in the Six Days War, Israel rightfully and legitmatly took over the stretegic territories between this line and the Jordan river. Later, the late king Hussein declared that Jordan bestows these territories to the "Palestinians". Clearly though, this statement was empty and meaningless - as a country cannot give away territories which are no longer in its possession. Thus, as far as the future Palestinian state ("Palestine") is concerned, the green line is utterly meaningless. The future borders between Israel and "Palestine" should be based instead on the population concentrations. Parts of the West Bank which are predominantly Jewish (i.e. Maale Edumim, Ariel, etc.) should be annexed to Israel-proper. Conversely, Arab town in Israel-proper (like Um-El-Fahm) should be annexed to "Palestine". This division makes sense. But of course the Arabs reject it, for the reasons I specified in another comment I wrote today (see the Lieberman-Zoabi story).
63. To Alicia #2 from Chile - Your country is an OCCUPPIER
Howard   (09.19.10)
CHILE has been occuppying Bolivian land it took in an imperialistic war in 1879 leaving Bolivia without access to the sea. Chile is occuppying indigenous Mapuche and other indigenous peoples' land. Chile is occuppying indigenous Rapa Nui land in Easter Island. Why don't you demand that your people withdraw from occuppied lands before you demand that the Jews, who are historically the indigenous people of Judea, be expelled to accommodate the people from Arabia?
64. :: Mark - #57
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (09.19.10)
Re: "Who owns Jerusalem?" by Dr Jacques Gauthier Firstly Dr Gauthier’s dissertation is restricted *solely* to the issue of Jerusalem while my post related to the *entire* Palestinian territories. Secondly the issue here is the distinction between the so-called “disputed territories” as opposed to the actual “occupied Palestinian territories”, this is a matter which Dr Gauthier’s dissertation does not relate to as it focuses on the ‘ownership of Jerusalem’. Thirdly Dr Gauthier’s work (which is only a thesis) has little or no merit has it has never influenced the decisions of international bodies such as the UN, EU, ICJ, etc.
65. And how does this affect Holland?
ambrosine shitrit ,   london   (09.19.10)
And who is behind this Anti Israel agenda? the Zionphobia that we see coming from who exactly? Love to have the names.
66. Alicia # 54
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (09.19.10)
Tell me , Alicia , has Peru attacked your country ? We were attacked , more than once , but WE always won . The , what you call Palestinians NEVER agreed on peace propositions , not the 47 partition , nor any other one . They ONLY attacked us and now they claim that the territories behind the green line are theirs . The green line was NOT a border line , only an armistice line between Israel and Jordan .
67. :: Charles - #52
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (09.19.10)
Why do you ignore the fact that these territories are also inhabited by Arabs? To cite one stat: in 1690 there were 219,000 Muslims, 22,000 Christians and 7,000 Jews living in these territories. Actually it doesn’t, clearly you have no concept of international laws governing the matter of state sovereignty. You should also note that Israel has no state sovereignty in the Palestinian WB and that all Israeli settlements are illegal under international law (by which Israel is bound to since it joined the UN), it states quite clearly that Gaza and the WB are “occupied territories” as per: The Hague Conventions, Article 42: "Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army". The UN, EU, US, ICJ and the Israeli Supreme Court all recognize that these territories are “occupied”. As these territories are under Israeli military occupation it is illegal to establish Israeli settlements in these areas as per: Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 49: “The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies”. Israel is party to the Geneva Convention I-IV since 1951 and therefore bound by Article 49. It is really that simple.
68. nr 19
yarden ,   shomron   (09.19.10)
Learn your history better, espacially the one of the city you're living in. How honestly was that taken from the Arabs?
69. 67 , this territory was occupied ILLEGALLY
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (09.19.10)
By Jordan untill 67 when they ATTACKED Israel in June 67 . You only refer to Un and other "authorities" when it fits you . Why don't look at other UN decisions ? Nov 47 .Partition plan not accepted by the arabs . They always attacked , and now they want everything . They werre the first to reject international law . Un states that no UN member should attack an other one . They did it . So don't come with international laws when it fits you . In every war the looser , this one who attacked and lost , has given up territories .
70. Ashamed of our government
Johan van den Top ,   the Netherlands   (09.19.10)
My sincere apologies for this rotten government. In name a christian government, but clearly no understanding of history and a living relation with the Creator. All my best and love to the people and nation of Israel! Warm greetings, johan van den Top, Barneveld, the Netherlands
71. #64 Matty...not quite
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (09.19.10)
You weren't paying proper attention to the interview. Dr Gauthier mentioned that his his research applied to more than just Jerusalem. You have to start from the Balfour Declaration and the Conference of San Remo in 1922
72. EU/Holland Rabid Jew-HATE
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (09.19.10)
It was also unacceptable to Hitler and his vile Nazis that Jews lived in Europe. This is a vicious hate attack on G-D who gave the Biblical ancestral Jewish homeland of Judea and Samaria and all Israel to Jews as an everlasting possession. And a frightening attack on Jews. Ruling elites are cognizant that there NEVER was an Arab country of Palestine and that Jerusalem was NEVER the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. The haters are determined to steal Israel for totalitarian, expansionist Islam.
73. Bloodyscot #27 yup and that's the problem
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (09.19.10)
Our borders were set by the Mandate for Palestine, and affirmed by the UN Charter. Both international laws. The Quartet seems to believe that they can override international law. Guess what we do refuse. Bet you would refuse Hugo Chavez and the moron in Tehran telling the US what their borders would be as well. It's not yours or the Quartet, EU, UN or any outsider to determine. These are our lands. Mind your own business.
74. Forgive us
Dave Janssen ,   Utrecht, The Netherl   (09.19.10)
On behalf of many Dutch citizens: we are sorry! Our government is weak and instable. Give it a few weeks and we will have a pro-Israel government again.
75. :: Charles - #69
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (09.19.10)
What “international law” did the Arab states reject? The UN Partition Plan? This was *never* a ‘law’ let alone an “international law”, look at the name Charles it says UN Partition Plan not UN Partition Law. It was a *plan* which was never actually implemented and no nation states were obliged to accept such a plan that is why they had a vote on the matter. I honestly don’t know where you get this rubbish from. Why don’t you look up: 1) UN Charter (1945), Article 2, Paragraph 4 2) Declaration On Principles Of International Law Concerning Friendly Relations & Co-Operation Among States In Accordance With The Charter Of The United Nations (1970), see Principle 1 3) Hague Regulations IV (1907), Articles 43 & 55 4) Geneva Conventions IV (1949), Article 54 All of the above can neatly be summed up in the following UNSC Res 242 which clearly points out "the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war".
76. :: Mark - #71
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (09.19.10)
Regardless his ‘research’ is nothing more than a thesis which has no influence or bearing on international law nor any claims of sovereignty/statehood by either the Israeli or Palestinians. No one doesn’t as neither of these two events are relevant anymore, they became utterly irrelevant once the Jewish People declared the independent nation state of Israel.
77. SOON
EU WILL GET THEIR ,   SHARE FROM ISLAM   (09.19.10)
78. to 75 . Alsace , Eupen Malmedy : Rubbish ?
Charles ,   PetachTikva   (09.19.10)
UN partition plan was adopted by General assembly . States have to follow it . Don't play with words when youy can't reject what i say . France has regained Alsace + Lorraine . Poland has gained some territories . Belgium , Eupen Malmedy . Rubbish ? By war ? when you are attacked , it's the attacker who wants to gain territory .
79. Settlement heads' visit
Richard E. Veldwijk ,   Almere, Holland   (09.19.10)
Can you believe this shit? Today's Dutch government isn't even fully qualified! They are the remains of a collapsed coalition that isn't even allowed to take any decisions that are controversy. Moreover, the two parties left in government both call themselves Christian. Muslim-apologetic would be less violating the truth... With friends like this, Israel doesn't need enemies. On behalf of all the Dutchmen that still have their wits, I deeply apologize. Sincerely, Richard E. Veldwijk The Netherlands
80. Hollands' role in this is...
person ,   holland   (09.19.10)
just embarrising.
81. Dellusion "Anne Frank "days are over".Move on" !
Roland Seener ,   London England   (09.19.10)
82. Matty's a-la-carte logic
Tahl ,   Ashdod   (09.19.10)
If international agreements or resolutions from the past work in favor of the Arabs and against Israel, of course he fully adopts them, no questions asked. If they work in favor of Israel, however, he rejects them with excuses such as "It says plan not law", "having no influence" or "utterly irrelevant". Indeed very convenient. One would guess that UN resolution 1701, which Hizbullah constantly violates, is probably "irrelevant" to Matty as well. Now using Matty's logic, imagine the following hypothetical situation: Israel attacks Lebanon for some arbitrary reason. In the ensuing war, Israel loses to the Lebanese army and Hizbullah, who advance deep into Israel, and take over the entire Galilee. Nasrallah celebrates the great victory, boasting that "we taught the zionists a painful lesson, we freed northern Palestine from them, and soon the rest of Palestine would be freed as well." Applying Matty's arguments to this case, one would imagine he'd be the first one to scream that the Galilee must be returned to Israel, because of the indamissability of acquisition of territory by war. After all, he wouldn't want to be considered an Israel-hating hypocrite, God forbid.
83. #76 Matty
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (09.19.10)
If you don't go to the source of the problem Matty..you'll never solve it. The Brits have a big hand in creating the mess of today by not honouring their mandate for Palestine. If you think that the two events I mentioned are "utterly irrelevant since 1948"...then it's fair to add that so is the Palestinian claim ( a movement started by Arafat in 1964...before that they were simply Arabs) to the Land of Israel.
84. # 83
Birdi ,   Israel   (09.20.10)
Mark, its nice to see you've got your clever cap on this evening !!
85. #84 Hi Birdi
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (09.20.10)
Thank you, thank you...notwithstanding, YNET's not being very nice to me tonight..they keep censoring me on another issue. S o d s
86. It is not uncommon
Sean ,   Montreal, Quebec   (09.20.10)
for governments to bar criminals from crossing their borders.
87. Good for Holland
Advocate4Liberty ,   Chicago, USA   (09.20.10)
Good that someone there grew a spine and a conscience.
88. # 85 Hi Mark.
Birdi ,   Israel   (09.20.10)
Keep trying to post your talkback Mark & hang in there !
89. # 82. Tahl.
Birdi ,   Israel   (09.20.10)
Oh but he(who is a she) is considered an Israel-hating hypocrite. To be sure
90. Israeli withdraw
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (09.20.10)
The resolution # 242 called for a withdraw of conquered territories . Israel has withdrawn from MORE than 90 % of those territories . The sinai , gaza and all the great towns in Judea Samaria . It would be the first time in History that a country that was attacked so many times should be the only one to make concessions .
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