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Navy stops Gaza-bound 'Jewish vessel'
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Published: 28.09.10, 15:37
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61. #49 - let's put that into context, shall we Matty?
William ,   Israel   (09.28.10)
“Economic output in the Gaza Strip [...] declined perhaps one-third between 1992 and 1996” Source: CIA World Factbook. What happened in 1994 - Arafat and the PLO took over control of Gaza. Therefore, unless you can prove otherwise with specific quarterly information, one will have to assume, based on precedent of economic trending under terrorist control, that the PLO are fully responsible for the decline. Hamas did a pretty damn good job in destroying Gaza's economy and that took only 6 months.
62. #49 - colored glasses, Matty
William ,   Israel   (09.28.10)
1) Gush Katif was hardly an "illegal settlement" which Haniyeh pointed out in 2005 after the Israeli withdraw when he noted cause for celebration that Hamas "forced Israel to leave Jewish land". Let's not forget that Jews were forced off of it in 1948 to escape the Egyptian army. 2) Amira Hass is hardly an objective resource. Almost as "factual" as your use of wikipedia. You fail to mention that 2000 was the year of Arafat's intifada and many civilians - women, children, students, medical patients - were used cynically in this failed war. Such a restriction is permittable in times of war, which no one denies this was. Today, the war is with Hamas in Gaza, which made the declaration in 2007. Gazan exports/imports were dealt a serious blow in 2000 because of the Intifada. That was a self-declared war against Israel so in that case, Israel had no obligation to continue playing nicely. Per Intl law, Israel still maintained control over Gaza BECAUSE it was not a sovereign nation and this was enshrined in the 1994 Oslo accords with Arafat. As much as you try to sanitize the issues Matty, your "facts" lack very real context and clearly tried to dissuade the reader from the bigger picture, which is Arab intransigence and racism for the past 90 years.
63. #55 - do peaceful Muslim travelers always break Intl law?
William ,   Israel   (09.28.10)
or carry guns, bats, slingshots, and metal pipes? I believe Muslims and the rest of the world have a very different idea of what "peaceful" is. Notice that ONLY the ship full of Muslims did IDF soldiers get attacked before ever boarding the ship. Also, no other ship in the flotilla had activists announce ahead of time their willingness to be violent towards the IDF or welcome matyrdom. And guess what....every other confrontation between these ships of non-Muslims and the IDF ended peacefully. Coincidence? Nope. Just facts of Islamic terror and racism.
64. :: Robert - #56
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (09.28.10)
Actually they were looted by some of the Gazan civilians and I can cite many sources to back up this fact - you on the other hand can't back up your claim that ‘Hamas destroyed these Greenhouses’ by citing any respected news sources (and no jihadwatch is not a respected source). I would also point out that these greenhouses were back up and running after approx 1 month.
65. #53 - you will need an older map
William ,   Israel   (09.28.10)
"Palestine" is that provincial region in Syria which Herodotus referred to.
66. #50 - do you really care for Gazans, or hate Israel?
William ,   Israel   (09.28.10)
Because it seems that Gazans aren't really lacking for much lately, except true freedom from Islamic oppression. You might disagree with the siege as it is but do you also disagree with the war crimes of rockets on your fellow countrymen? Before you retort with the canned speech of "justified resistance" and "only because of the siege", I want to remind you that these war crimes by Hamas has continued for 7 years before the siege was enacted. If you truly cared for Gazans, you could offer a balanced approach like - more import/exports with Intl forces watching ALL building material usage and ensure against weapons of any time. Though, your ilk does not offer that. They want only an end to the blockade - legal by Intl laws mind you - without regard of the bloodshed it will bring and the lack of economic growth for Gazans you would expect. No country grows under terrorist oppression and as long as Gaza is a base of operations for a group that declared war on a sovereign neighbor, Gaza will never grow. But in Tel Aviv, who cares as long as ecstasy and cappuccinos flow like water, eh?
67. :: William - #61
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (09.28.10)
“Assume”? Firstly it should be noted that earlier you claimed that “The *major cause* for Gaza's dismay is their economic situation brought on by the destruction of major money-making venues”, now you are back-pedalling and claiming that this economic decline was caused by the PA. Secondly you offer *no* evidence of this second claim, no mention of failed policies/mismanagement/etc. You entire premise is based on an ‘assumption’!. Again you offer no proof or facts to back up your claim to support this statement. I would also add that you have not disproved any of my previous facts regarding the decline of the Gaza economy based on Israeli closures and restrictions. Poor show.
68. # 64
Birdi ,   Israel   (09.28.10)
Does it matter who destroyed the greenhouses? Hamas or the Pallie citizens? they are the same. The greenhouses were ransacked, stripped of their glass, wiring, computer & electronic equipment & irrigation pipes & timers. The burning of Netzarin Synagogue by Palestinians ( an act of destruction which was contrary to all international law & norms) began within minutes of the last Israeli soldiers leaving Gaza in the early hours of Monday,September. 12.2005. No the greenhouses were not up & running after a month as you will see from the last picture of this link. http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ExodusFromGaza.html I consider Tom Gross a very reliable media source.
69. :: Birdi - #68
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (09.29.10)
No they are not and to claim so only displays your bigotry! Palestinian civilians are NOT members of Hamas. Yes they were and by civilian looters not by Hamas, see: http://tiny.cc/09it1 Obviously you are copying and pasting from the Tom Gross website but isn’t it highly hypocritical to talk about “international(s) law & norms” when Israel does not abide by these same laws?! Here is a more reliable source than Tom Gross: “So far, the effort has yielded mixed results: Palestinian firms have risen to the occasion, repairing greenhouses sabotaged by departing settlers and by Palestinian looters. Some already have been planted with crops of mint, tomatoes, and lettuce and are expected to yield harvests in November.” http://tiny.cc/2qeku Pity nobody else does.
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