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Senior Republican against US aid to Palestinians
Yitzhak Benhorin
Published: 12.11.10, 09:30
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61. the State Department did not notify Congress once
observer   (11.13.10)
Israel killed more than 3,000 innocent Palestinian civilians, often with U.S. weapons, during the Bush Administration; yet the State Department did not notify Congress once that Israel violated these laws which are supposed to sanction countries that commit human rights abuses with U.S. weapons.
62. Sarah , and others . Jewish roots
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.13.10)
Look at the Jewish daily forward : http://www.forward.com/articles/2056/ Jewish roots ? so what does this change ? Smart US politicians only look at their country's interests , and this is at all not related to their origin . They know that supporting Israel is in the US interests . They know that Israel is the ONLY true ally in the whole region . They know that giving money to the "palestrinian authority" is throwing funds that will finally come in terrorists pockets .
63. @ 2 - Time for the FULL BUSH ,...
split ,   US   (11.13.10)
You have to have a balls like Carter (Camp David Accords) to have and listen to your State Secretary like Baker (fu*k them they don't vote for you anyway) and willing to sacrifise your second term by being crucified by "our/US" media in order to have a respect for yourself or to be popular like the "Gipper" (visit to German cemetery) and get away with it - So far Obama didn't show or have any of it in his dealing with Israel or AIPAC ,...
64. David @ 57 - I am waiting for your proof.
split ,   US   (11.13.10)
Personal life,... Project Vote Smart lists Ros-Lehtinen as Episcopalian.[1] Ros-Lehtinen's maternal grandparents were Sephardic Jews from Turkey who had been active in Cuba's Jewish community.[28] Her mother later converted to Catholicism.[28] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ileana_Ros-Lehtinen
65. to 60/ 61 . Give the sources of your
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.13.10)
# 38 and 61 . Your 60 : 100 % b.S. . The US knows who is her ONLY ally in the whole region .
66. Charlie @ 62 ,...
(11.13.10)
They know that supporting Israel is in the US interests ,... You think so ? Name one , please ,... They know that Israel is the ONLY true ally in the whole region - No kiddin', J. Pollard's case supports your claim ;) ,...
67. #61 History must be your weak point
Cynthia ,   USA   (11.13.10)
The Second Intifada began when Bush took office. Palestinian violence including suicide bombings and kassam rockets killed innocent Israelis. The Palestinians were not innocent. Fighting terror is not a human rights abuse. Americans clearly understand that.
68. #64 - This is what I said before
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (11.13.10)
You wrote her paternal grandfather and I told you are wrong. I said if anyone maybe her mother side Adato but knowing the Adato family in Turkey was not aware that they had family in Cuba but I was open to proof. Thanks for supplying it. However in the USA there is no religious, racial or gender discrimination for political ambitions. For you to bring this up only shows your bigotry.
69. #1 - Isn't Arab money used to bribe "Palestinians"?
William ,   Israel   (11.13.10)
Iran gives them money to launch war crimes on Israel and destroy their State. Saddam gave rewards for each family member who blew themselves up killing Israeli civilians. OIC member States donate funds to keep "Palestinians" well-armed but impoverished. and the list goes on. The difference here is the US rewards the PA based upon commitments they made to the US - it's called a mutual agreement, though the Arabs have never been good at keeping agreements they make, but are good at taking free money.
70. #2 - subscribing to the "Soros" perspective, are we?
William ,   Israel   (11.13.10)
"Palestinians" have made it clear they will not accept Israel's right to exist. However, Israelis have made it clear they accept the "Palestinians" right to exist, since they first acknowledge them in the early 70s, to the Oslo Accords which promised them a State (in return for obligations met), and in recent polls of Israelis. However, Israelis collectively will NOT accept a "Palestinian" State which takes from Israelis their right to exist in security - a human right and enshrined in Intl Law.
71. David @ 68 - You're right , sorry ,...
split ,   US   (11.13.10)
Thanks for pointing this "slip" but it doesn't change anything in her case. "in the USA there is no religious, racial or gender discrimination for political ambitions" - You got to be kiddin'. No official discrimination, supported by law but certain groups (minorities) prefere their "own" reps and there's nothing you can do.
72. #7 - even then, GOP knew BS legislation when they see it
William ,   Israel   (11.13.10)
Whether at the UN or in the halls of Congress, there are those politicians who stand up and call faulty, hate-filled biased legislation what it is. I'd vote for Ros-Lehtinen as well. How do we know the legislation was so bad? Because even after the investigation, your ilk still tried to force the issue because it didn't meet your demanded outcome.
73. #20 - Israeli industry in Massachusettes worth over $1B
William ,   Israel   (11.13.10)
In a recent article that was published in Massachusetts on the Life Sciences industry it was cited that Israeli high-tech and Med Device ventures collectively worth more than $1B. That includes American Well, EMC, iMDSoft, etc. Your over-looking of that fact either shows your racism or absolute ignorance. Since loan guarantees from the US are basically like your parent co-signing your student loan, it's not even worth a mention. Israel has always been a good credit risk and always paid back its loans, so the US feels it's no risk to help Israel. Now how many Arab companies (not mosques or schools) are contributing to the US economy, are excellent credit risks? Hmmm.
74. #24 - so elighten us with your "facts"
William ,   Israel   (11.13.10)
#14 is absolutely correct but since we're open here, please share with us your "facts" and not those garnered from DemocracyNow or Anarchist Radio.
75. #22 - I think she referred to it as "Collectively"
William ,   Israel   (11.13.10)
Collectively, the "Palestinians" are the largest recipients of US Aid, largest recipients of global Aid, and have lived up to the least amount of obligations of such aid than any other population in the world.
76. #61 - person holding a weapon is not a "civilian"
William ,   Israel   (11.13.10)
Hamas just admitted 3 weeks ago that over half of those killed in Cast Lead were terrorists from their organization, but your ilk already bought into the "100% civlian women, children" theory so their announcement will pass unnoticed. I do however would like you to name any Arab women who were pregnant and shot point-blank by the IDF ever. You might have to go way back to Deir Yassin but even that was a fabrication. Good luck.
77. William , 73. It's over $ 2 b.
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.13.10)
Look at the link in my # 36
78. Hasbara liar @ 73 ... always paid back its loans ,...
split ,   US   (11.13.10)
Your chutzpah never fails to make my jaw drop to the floor. I'm referring to your boasting that you never defaulted on a US loan - How the hell can you default on loans when your V-th column in US Congress makes Uncle Sam write off the debt ? ,...
79. #60 - why? Israel and US never agreed to it before
William ,   Israel   (11.14.10)
conversely, the PA has indeed made agreements to end incitement and end corruption going back to 1994 and still hasn't made good on its promises despite received over $10B collectively. But to your points: 1) under GW Bush and the PA, settlement expansion to accommodate natural growth was agreed upon. Only recently it became an issue with Abbas, again breaking a past promise. Besides, the land is disputed and not "occupied" as you claim. 2) Gazan cannot be opened because Hamas declared war on Israel and under Intl laws governing war, Israel is doing the right thing. The US, EU, and NATO all agree. Since opening Gaza would submit a wide population of civilians to Hamas war crimes, the US cannot risk such an outcome in their name. 3) It's not up to the US to investigate regarding the Goldstone report as the author himself admitted he had no factual evidence that would hold up in court. Plus, the US Admin has boots on the ground in Israel and are fully aware of Israeli actions which is why they felt comfortable to keep quiet on Cast Lead. Hamas was kind enough to admit that not many civilians died as they claimed, so your point is moot thanks to Haniyeh. 4) a non-starter. Because the "Palestinians" started the terror war that led to thousands of deaths on both sides, and barriers, roadblocks, military zones, etc. have all effectively put an end to the bloodshed, the US will not ask that such measures be reversed. Again, the US will not ask for civilians to be submitted to Arab war crimes in their name. But since the PA seems to be making some places safer, some barriers are being removed which meets with the promises Israel made to the US and the "Palestinians". Moving back to 1967 lines is not valid since no Intl law nor UN resolution demands it. Nice try though. However, it seems you've joined the ranks of "let's pressure Israel so we don't have to give anything in concessions" which seems to keep blowing up in the "Palestinians" faces. So enjoy yourself beating the horse you've killed decades ago. I'm sure you still expect a different outcome.
80. #66 - It's all relative, isn't it?
William ,   Israel   (11.14.10)
Since you didn't give your name, it appears you're not very supportive of your own comments here. In truth, Pollard didn't do much to damage the US. He passed along information that wasn't very classified, and to help Israel secure itself against its own enemies. Conversely, you have the Russian spy network which worked against the US. They were set free and given a heroes welcome. You have numerous Arab spies inside the US, again, working against the US. China the same. and wasn't it Hamas that blew up US diplomats who arrived in Gaza to provide students there with a Fulbright scholarship??? Helpful bunch, those "Palestinians" are. The US gives loads of money to Egypt and Jordan, yet Americans are still unsafe there. From Israel, the US receives weapons expertise, technology expertise, a direct intelligence ear to the region, and an unshakable ally in the E. Mediterranean, something which they can't even get from Turkey these days. Not to mention - 80% of the US population sides with Israel, so....
81. #78 - the burden of proof really is on you
William ,   Israel   (11.14.10)
so present your facts of Israel's debt wiped clean by the US, and you might have a claim. But in relative-speaking, the US has wiped the debt of over 37 countries, many in SE Asia and Africa, and they had a problem with currency devaluations, poor credit, poor management, and not very friendly to the US. Somehow, it makes me smirk when you decry Israel as a demon for whatever, when worse happens to the US from dozens of countries around the world and you remain either silent or elated. It must be the "liberal gene" they've just discovered. You just can't help it.
82. #78 UR unable to dispute with facts
Cynthia ,   USA   (11.14.10)
Enough of your slogans and sloppy assumptions. Cough up facts for a change and let's see you dispute William. And provide reliable links to your source for verification purposes.
83. #78 - I'm amused at your problem with Hasbara
William ,   Israel   (11.14.10)
Funny, when Israel gives its side of the story, and it does have a valid one, your ilk rush to decry it and block anyone from hearing Israel's side. Your Leftist cronies live in a world where only one side is valid, where you demand equality but only for those that agree with you, and support revolutionaries who you claim as "freedom fighters" but have historical cost the world >75% of all deaths in the past 1500 years! The article about Israeli business in MA which I cited was simple fact. Last I checked, Gov. Deval Patrick was neither Jewish or an Israeli, but he knew the facts and was kind enough to support our good relationship. If you consider it "propaganda" then that's your problem but facts are facts, and these are glaring. Poor sad little you.
84. William , regarding this anonymous 66
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.14.10)
You are right , Pollard did'nt harm US security by giving Israel info regarding terrorists [ pictures of arafat's HQ in tunis as an example ] . You forgot that , as an example , that the USA received a MIG 21 for evaluation from Israel in 1966 . That in december 1969 Israel allowed the US to check the soviet radar we caught in Egypt , and last but not least , in 1989 they could also inspect the Syrian Mig 23 whose pilot defected with his plane to Israel . Those facts were of greater importance for the USA than everything Pollard had given to Israel . Regarding Pollard himself . The US security made errors with Pollard's security check . They probably learned much with this case and corrected it , preventing TRUE spies to enter those services . Also very important .
85. Cynthia and William
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.14.10)
It's the same with this "observer" . He barks his lies and disappears when asked for his sources of "info"
86. #85 Charles
Cynthia ,   USA   (11.14.10)
That's because split and observer are the same poster.
87. 82 - And provide reliable links to your source,...
split ,   US   (11.15.10)
.. another dirty trick of hasbara liars. Posts with links to reliable sources never show up on talksbacs ,...
88. # 86 - That's because split and observer
split ,   us   (11.15.10)
Wrong ! You're just like the rest of dedicated hasbara zio-freaks are beyond repair their paranoia.
89. Hate speech
chandler ,   NY, NY   (11.16.10)
I've been reading this talkback thread and am surprised at all of the hate speech. Someone said that the Palestinian people don't exist. Someone said that they don't deserve the money because they don't know what to do with it. Someone implied that the violence is only one-sided, as if many more Palestinians have not died at the hands of Israeli violence rather than vice versa.. And now that someone wants to make their situation worse for domestic political gain, people here applaud. And I thought that this site did not allow incitement, slander, or racist slurs?
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