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Academy of hatred
Ziv Lenchner
Published: 25.12.10, 14:02
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31. "Academy of Hatred"
Boris Yasdnilkov ,   Fernandina Beach, FL   (12.26.10)
Excuse me but what does Ziv Lenchner mean by writing: "They walk our streets, shop at our malls, and try to woo our women, thereby apparently tainting our race." ? Even if this comment involved a recognized "pure race" of people, it is illogical and unsupportable to assume that such acts would or could taint it. Human beings are not generally considerd to be like lemmings, least of all Homo sapiens, the Jews.
32. It's not racism, it's called "Halacha"
Ex-Orthodox Jew ,   Israel   (12.26.10)
Ask any rabbit who signed the ideas of "Torat ha'melech".
33. Israel society is deteriorating
David ,   Israel   (12.26.10)
In 20 years since I made aliyah, I have never seen such an atmosphere of hate and disgusting racism. Just 10 years ago these rabbis and racists and thugs would have been shamed into hiding. But now they are embraced by the new Jewish fascism that is spreading throughout the country. It makes me very sad to see this and I worry about the future of our country. Picking on the non-Jewish minorities is always easiest at first, but once we finish with them it will be picking on seculars, haredim, etc. Our country will be destroyed from within if we keep this up.
34. you dummies, #30 is Sarah B !
R Coyner ,   usa   (12.26.10)
She is the writer of both #2 and #30. A sick and twisted racist who believes in apartheid.
35. #30 Tahl
grammar police ,   imaginationland   (12.26.10)
To anyone who is familiar with her style, attitudes and sense of humor, the post at #2 is classic Sarah B. Compared to her usual gloating monuments to sarcasm, the post at #2is relatively inoffensive.
36. Speaking as a Jewish Woman...
elizabeth ,   dallas, texas usa   (12.26.10)
I condemn this hate speak, this hateful attitude toward our Arab neighbors. As a people who has felt the harshness of racism, it is incumbent on all Jewish people to stand for the rights of others and to treat them well, even if it is difficult. To do otherwise is a sin and a crime. We cannot be silent about mistreatment of Arabs or anyone.
37. So, when can Jewish boys date Arab girls?
Scott ,   USA   (12.26.10)
Don't be hypocrites. Tolerance works both ways, you know.
38. agreed
Alexander ,   NJ USA/Israel   (12.26.10)
two wrongs don't make a right, but Israeli's are better than that... plenty of people spoke out against some of the talkbackers that were treating those criminals as heroes.
39. To #11
m   (12.26.10)
Simple, being 27 you probably are a graduate of a PC university where they taught you to "feel" not to think and analyze. So try to analyze: Arabs are the enemy who want us into the sea and a Muslim state from Jordan to sea. Where is the comparison with European Jews destroyed by the nazis? Did the Jews attack Germans? Did Jews want to destroy Europe? Think, think! It's called self preservation. Now let me see you cry over the secular Ramat Aviv protesting and rejecting their fellow Jews who want to live there but are "haredi"? You have a lot to learn, but being 27 maybe you have a chance, there are 80 years old who don't know more than you.
40. #29 Solomon
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (12.26.10)
I have lived in Brooklyn, Williamsburgh & Crown Heights to be quite specific I'm certain that when you venture out, you look at who is near you with suspicion It's better to exert caution, rather than having your family visit you in the Hospital or attend your Laviya You "Live", I lived & served, in both the U.S. Army & Tzahal I'm willing to wage that you've served in neither
41. Oh Noa!
Zuni ,   Tfat, Israel   (12.26.10)
What happened! I was so proud of my little country when I came here in 67. Egalitarianism out racism in. I want to cry. After all the wars - this is what I get? I think I want out.
42. #2 Sarah B
Phil   (12.26.10)
Enrol.. ?? Surely you should be the one giving classes considering the bile and vitriol that you spew out incessantly on these talkbacks
43. #40 Ben Jabo
Solomon ,   Bklyn   (12.26.10)
I have been in Tsahal as a shlav betnik. You deserve a lot of credit for what you've done. But, it seems to me, you will probably discount everyone's opinion who has not done exactly, if not more than you. And I never countenanced unlocked doors or total trust. But none of the above influence what I've said before; We are doing to others what was so horrible when it was done to us. And it is a blanket condemnation of others, as it was done to us. Just because we are now the ones doing it to others does not make it right.
44. # 34 you are half right
Robert ,   Australia   (12.26.10)
It has been plain to see for some time that Sarah B posts comments under different pseudonyms to give the impression that some people like her and agree with the trash she comes out with but I believe that post number 2 is a fake otherwise Sarah under the name of 'Tahl' would not be trying to point this out while praising herself.
45. to 30 and to 35
suran ,   jerusalem   (12.26.10)
if the post no.2 is without any name even if it is in the name of suran i will post as in 23 .. may any one ask it as ...how it is my hair or dress ]styl but how it is my roll in academy hate .. it is not offensive or less offense it is ... silly
46. to 41
suran ,   jerusalem   (12.26.10)
do not cry my baby be quiet and sleep like a bird in his nest . you cam here from where and want to be there in any where .. be quiet and sleep like my little boy who know only one where it is here only here
47. exagerated crap. but still wrong. balance with pa, arab crap
ralph   (12.26.10)
and see what you get.
48. Leftist Selfdeceiving Errors.
Orao. ,   Srbia.   (12.26.10)
According to my Oppinion - The Leftis always Mix Nationalism with Racism. This Fuss is not about Racism but two Nationalisms. israel has been plagued and suffering from Arabic and Islamic Nationalism the last 60 Years now. If this Author had meant his accusations against His own kin for the Arabic islamic Facistoid deeds, I would have agreed. The Quarrels here on this talkbacks by the Israelis, is according to my Oppinion, beytween The Usefull Idiots, and others. Thus - Academy of hatred Op-ed: Silence not an option in face of growing hatred, racism on Israel's streets Ziv Lenchner Published: 12.25.10, 14:02 / Israel Opinion I think the Reactions from Israelis after the last 60 years of Enimosity from Arabic Islamofacism, is wery mild indeed. But off cause some of those Reactions hurt innocents on the other side, but that is always happening when Nationalisms stands against each other. Nr 11 If you had not been only 27 years of age, I would have lost all respect for You, but as a Youngster I can understand your ignoranse thus - How can we as a people, who only 70 years ago were being attacked for only being Jewish, -You are still being attacked for only beeing Jews. (The same holds true regarding the Serbs in Chroatia - Bosnia-Herzegovina - Kosovo also after some 70 year as was the case in W.W.2.) .but I am ashamed now. You should not be ashamed for beeing a jew, but for beeing among the Usefull Idiots, by your Ignorance. Orao.
49. Rest assured, #30 is me.
Tahl ,   Ashdod   (12.27.10)
Not only it makes no sense for someone in the caliber of Sarah to write such idiotic post as #2, it would make even less sense for her to come as someone else, and trash her (supposed) first post as fake. So, dear haters and trolls, I'm sorry to call #2's bluff and ruin your Sarah-grilling feast. When you smear our star writer like that, you have an open score with her friends.
50. #49 Tahl
whatever   (12.27.10)
Your own posts are far better than Sarah B's posts and there are other excellent TBers here who make the case for Israel without descending into intensely irritating and predictable put-downs and guttersnipe style sarcasm. She does more harm than good. Her ''sense of humor'' ( I have no idea why any intelligent person would find her sarcastic rudeness amusing ) might sound acceptable to the choir, but they are not the people who need to be reached.
51. #40...Hahahah...you're no better either way!!
Edithann ,   USA   (12.27.10)
Are all Israeli's thieves...they steal identities, lands, homes? You just proved a lack of integrity just to 'showoff'...... Oh, I forgot, integrity is a commodity and in short supply... TATA
52. #51 Edithann
Solomon ,   Bklyn   (12.27.10)
Your statement applies to the "Palestinians", not to Israelis and therefore not to Ben Jabo. By accusing Israelis of what "Palestinians" are doing (stealing identity as if Palestine ever existed as an arab country, including land and homes taken by force by Islam when it came from Arabia) you are trying to turn the spotlight away from the truth. It isn't working.
53. to 52
suran ,   jerusalem   (12.27.10)
you told it as if islam was a wild beast came from arabis and swallowed by force to people ... honostly i do not know how these grandfathers were be moslemes by force or thinking .. but sure if it is by force and nowadays moslemes are so weak in many countries they would leave this religion if it is not deeply rooted in their hearts and soules ... ..or am i wrong ?????????????
54. To #50, whatever
Tahl ,   Ashdod   (12.27.10)
From what I've seen here, and I've seen quite a lot - anyone who has drawn Sarah's ire pretty much deserved it. It would almost always be someone spreading disinformation or slander about Israel, the Israeli people, or Jews, with purely negative intent. Though I'm not too keen on the personal put-downs, her immense knowledge and ability to sift through and rebuff all the lies and bring forth so many supporting facts, and all in perfect fluid English - is nothing short of extraordinary. The one time where I thought Sarah was out of line I mentioned it to her, and she apologized. And oddly enough, those who routinely criticize Sarah are never there to criticize the idiotic rantings of Nour and Salma, which often get quite offensive and spurious. Furthermore, if you personally find Sarah's comments to be distasteful (out of common decency as you imply), then at the very least you should acknowledge that impersonating her with the intention of smearing her reputation, is quite a repugnant and cowardly tactic (that's why, by the way, I wish that ynetnews would require talkbackers to register, as in most other websites). P.S What is "whatever"? I have never seen you post here. And why don't you identify by your name?
55. Nr. 30 - 49 - 54 - I Agree fully.
Orao. ,   Srbia.   (12.27.10)
My only objection would be against - (that's why, by the way, I wish that ynetnews would require talkbackers to register, as in most other websites). -Then we will miss all opportunities to Develope and Mature ourselves against all tricks of the Evil One. -That is true is long as Ynets allowes Her to meet all Evilnesses by posting Her Respones. If they dont, I myself in such a situation would leave. The Cause and Reason The Evil One and His offspring, steal Her Signature is, they can not Defeat Her Face to Face. Sarah is Exelent in Strenght and Intelligense as Her Personality is conserned, but also Humble and Meek, as you have notised. Such personsalities as Hers always face this problem on all Forums. We should support her though, so as she will not be tired of boordom, when there is no positive respons for what she writes, that is my own experiences from different Talkbacks Orao.
56. How not to buy into the Hate Game
Sean ,   Montreal, Quebec   (12.27.10)
I first read this article on Christmas day. As I was reading the maliciousness of post #2 I received a call from a longtime Jewish friend wishing me a Merry Christmas. It was a reminder of a world that is as yet unknown to people like Salma. Contrary to much of the hatred spewed on this site, the world is full of people warm and generous of spirit. Those people are as likely to be Jewish as they are Budhist or humanist. I read this morning with gratitude, the many responses condemning hate filled rhetoric. Grateful that I did not respond in kind on Christmas morning and grateful for a Jewish friend who unwittingly reminded me of the strength and force of kindness. I hope one day Salma will be graced with the opportunity to know friendship from a Jew. To experience, as we do here in North America, a reality much different from hers. If one were living in Palestine it would be very difficult to understand that often times the first person to speak out against injustice is Jewish. May the many responses which have followed #2 shed light on the possibility of such a future for you Salma. Peace on Earth.
57. #53 suran
Solomon ,   Bklyn   (12.28.10)
Yes, Islam came from Arabia by force. Mohammad's army conquered the arabian peninsula and more, up to Spain. People who were defeated were told to convert or die. It was then that the arabs came to that part of the world. And yes, through the generations, the children were born into Islam; this was their identity, their religion. This is not an argument. But Palestine as a country never existed. And if one insists that Israel took arab land by force, they must remember when and how Islam came to the area: by force. Some of the communities they defeated were Jewish, as Jews were here before Mohammad was born. It seems that the type of Islam now prevalent is jihadi: thinking that, as "Islam is the only religion" it is ok to kill everyone else if they don't agree. Not much different from the time of Mohammad and his army.
58. Tahl 54 , regarding Sarah
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (12.28.10)
I have noticed so0me time ago that she's sometimes , and more than once , exagerating regarding numbers and allusions . And when asked to give evidence , proofs or sources , she can't do it . That her English is perfect does not make her being right in what she writes . You certainly know the reason of her arab hate .
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