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Joseph's Tomb shooting reenacted
Yair Altman
Published: 06.05.11, 10:42
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1. There was NOT a Jewish infiltration. There was only murder!
Robert Blum ,   New York USA   (05.06.11)
According to the Oslo Accord, the Tomb of Joseph and ALL Jewish Holy sites are under Israeli supervision. Therefore, to state that there was an infiltration of Jews at Joseph's Tomb, is a collaboration with the Muslims and a negation of the stipulation in the accord!
2. Get the Arabs out of Shchem (Nablus) & other Jewish cities
Cohen   (05.06.11)
and there will finally be peace. If Gaza was Judenreined, Jewish cities in Israel should not be free from Arab terrorists. There's no reason Jews ought to live in fear from non-Jews living in our country.
3. Responsability
Ariel Ben Yochanan ,   Kfar Tapuah, Efraim   (05.06.11)
B"H Responsability lies not only with the shooter, but with those who arm, train and finance him.
4. infiltration of the route to the tomb
observer ,   Egypt   (05.06.11)
shooting occurred in the exit route from the neighborhood. All that's documented is the sellers infiltrated and every one knows they wouldn't have done that unless they were armed to the teeth
5. Funny
Gregg ,   Haifa, IL   (05.06.11)
Israeli police reenacting the shooting of an Israeli killed abroad ! So absurd and so funny ! Only seen in Israel !!
6. Infiltration?
David M.   (05.06.11)
I am sure you would never call Arabs praying in Al Aqsa mosque an infiltration despite the fact that Joseph's tomb has always been a Jewish holy site, while the mosque was built on the holiest Jewish site.
7. 5
birdi ,   israel   (05.06.11)
abroad, my foot. as long as you can insight your hatred, you're happy. you need to be shown the dooor straight out of this country, which is too good for the likes of you.
8. 4 twister
birdi ,   israel   (05.06.11)
wrong. they werent armed to the teeth.
9. cant they simply publish the fact, that they have secured...
eporue ,   europe   (05.06.11)
the bullet(s) from livnats body and found the matching gun of the person who shot them ? is this not possible, because israel has as much clue of ballistic tests as mickey mouse, or because nobody got the bullets out of livnats body, or is there a gag order, or what is the matter, pls ???
10. Attention # 4
Robert Blum ,   New York USA   (05.06.11)
If "They were armed to the teeth", as you erroneously believe, then they would most certainly have taken a stand and fired back! There would have been a fire-fight, instead of them fleeing!!!
11. To #7
Gregg ,   Haifa, IL   (05.06.11)
You wish ! Meanwhile I am here... and have no intention to leave. We'll meet in September... We'll see who's gonna laugh then !
12. nablus reenactment
IRV ,   USA   (05.06.11)
So if pals throw stones,which is the reason given why pals fired, we too should fire upon all the pals who throw stones! We r better shots!
13. Double standard
Barrak ,   Tel Aviv   (05.06.11)
The fact that Ben-Yosef Livnat and his group did not bother to coordinate with the IDF or the Palestinians is a clear indication that they intended their act to be provacative. Access to Joseph's tomb is simple and common, and every Jew in the territories know's what steps you need to take to legally and safely go there. The Palestian reaction was no different (and aguably even more restrained) than how the IDF or settlement security would have reacted had the roles been reversed. In 2010 there were at least 6 instances were Israelis killed Palestinians under similar ciircumstances, yet those go largely unoticed and unprosecuted.
14. fleeing without shooting doesn't indicate they weren't armed
observer ,   Egypt   (05.06.11)
it was not uncommon for some devout Jews to sneak into holy sites under Palestinian control. If caught by the Palestinians, they are nearly always handed over to the Israelis without violence. it was not uncommon for some devout Jews to sneak into holy sites under Palestinian control. If caught by the Palestinians, they are nearly always handed over to the Israelis without violence. they were settlers, they were fervent, they acted suspiciously.
15. 10 - There would have been a fire-fight, instead of them fle
split ,   US   (05.06.11)
They did what the Jews allways do when there's a time to be bold, they fled ;) ,...
16. #3 reply talking of responsibility
Avi ,   Israel   (05.06.11)
Talking of responsibility, those religious fanatics, did not coordinate with the IDF and deliberatly went out of their way to trick the IDF and our security forces only to aware of the situation on the ground. So please if you are going to lecture about responsibilty i suggest you direct your comments else where.
17. #4; observer, WRONG AS USUAL
Mark from Georgia ,   USA   (05.06.11)
OBSERVER WRITES: "every one knows they wouldn't have done that unless they (the settlers) were armed to the teeth " But that makes no sense as do most of your posts. If 19 settler's were "armed to the teeth", as you put it, don't you think they would have overpowered the 3 Arab policemen? Doesn't that make sense? !9 "armed to the teeth" people against only moderately armed Arab policemen? Why is it, that almost all your posts are simply nonsense?
18. 17
birdi ,   israel   (05.06.11)
lol, mark,wearing your clever cap,yet again, suits you well today. kudos.
19. 10
birdi ,   israel   (05.06.11)
haha, in your moist dreams. use your spell check, lovely one.
20. 7
birdi ,   israel   (05.06.11)
i wouldnt meet you if you were the last man on earth;
21. #17 you said it
observer ,   Egypt   (05.06.11)
how would have 3 moderately armed Arab policemen done when they faced 19 fervent settlers who acted suspiciously?
22. #17; observer, YOUR FORGETTING
Mark from Georgia ,   USA   (05.06.11)
WhaT you wrote in post #14 AND I QUOTE: "it was not uncommon for some devout Jews to sneak into holy sites under Palestinian control." You see, you inadvertently stumbled on the truth. It's not "uncommon" for settler's to sneak into this holy site, is it? In fact it has happened on almost a daily basis, without any violence ever occurring, right? So there was really nothing to fear, based on the past events, since nothing has ever happened. So what was there to be "suspicious" of, as you put it? But these people were NOT armed to my knowledge, can you provide a source that says these 19 people were armed? I think not! CASE CLOSED. In the real world we don't just make up facts, like you seem to do on a regular basis.
23. #22 meaning settlers acted suspiciously
observer ,   Egypt   (05.06.11)
if they had had a clear stance, settlers would nor have fled because they knew they would be handed over to the Israelis.
24. #23; observer, HERE IN THE USA
Mark from Georgia ,   USA   (05.06.11)
The act of fleeing means you pose no risk. Is it different there. If they were in fact running away, why shoot them? Even if the act of fleeing is suspicious, it poses no lethal threat to the policemen. If your running away from the cops, clearly your intention is NOT to hurt the police. So they just murdered people who were unarmed and running away. In the USA you can't legally shoot a burglar who broke into your house,once he's outside the house and running away, why? Because they don't pose a lethal risk or threat to your life at that point. CASE CLOSED. Sorry observer, you can't talk your way out of this.
25. 24
birdi ,   israel   (05.07.11)
be man enough now to shut up.
26. Good Comment No.13
Groucho ,   USA   (05.07.11)
Fairly accurate and to the point... shows there can be some impartiality and genuine reasoning, even in Israel
27. Mark -Georgia
Groucho ,   USA   (05.07.11)
What you say isnt correct.. There have been many cases where suspected burglars,robbers, criminals have been shot in the back and in some cases somedistance from anywhere near where it was claimed a criminal act has taken place and in many cases it was carried out by the police, but we all accept that a police mans job is hard and they make mistakes so overall, its accepted... Here is NOT A case where just because they were 'running away' means they posed no threat... in ther military you dont wait for an enemy to regroup, you cut them down whether they are coming at you or running away from you, hopefully quicker than they can try to shoot you.. You are not logical
28. #27; Groucho, You Missed the point
Mark from Georgia ,   USA   (05.07.11)
First they were NOT armed. Second, it's been well established that this happens almost every day. There has NEVER been a Palestinian policemen killed by worshipers at that location, ever. So there was no reason to worry. Your right a policemen can shoot a fleeing felon. Except were were NOT fleeing felons, were they? They were going to pray at Joseph's Tomb, nothing more, just like people do almost every night, without incident. Israel doesn't issue enough permits, so people sneak into pray every night. They just never get shot to death for praying.
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