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Obama's draft speech to urge '67 borders, negate PA's state bid
Yitzhak Benhorin
Published: 17.05.11, 09:16
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31. why doesnt the USA return to their original
big mouth ,   Israel   (05.17.11)
boarders- give back land to the native Americans- to the Mexicans- etc simple: you'll stay with a little piece of NY state that's all
32. Humiliation
Alexandre Chinovich   (05.17.11)
What Mr. Obama stands for is the greatest humiliation of our state. What country decides to divide its capital with its enemies after having defeated them? Arabs will remain our enemies for ever, and Mr. President is their ally.
33. #11
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (05.17.11)
Obama is not stupid.. He knows that the 1967 lines are indefensible and will lead to the demise of Israel and he still supports them. Draw your own conclusion.
34. Wait till the second term when there's nothing left to lose.
Lucifer   (05.17.11)
35. IT WON"T WORK
Mark from Georgia ,   USA   (05.17.11)
The problem is the Arabs will NOT recognize Israel or reject terrorism. So I don't see this going anywhere. Then you have the fictitious right of return? So really this deal is dead in the water. The Arabs are not true partners for peace. For them it's just a PR game.
36. To # 11 Yaniv
Rachel ,   US   (05.17.11)
If your own PM does not care how can you expect Obama to care? It's sad, but Israel has the weakest PM ever. You can not expect others to fight for Israel if he won't.
37. When is Obama going to tell the Palestinians
Rachel ,   US   (05.17.11)
No right of return!
38. 18 months till this moron is gone.Can't wait.
Ariel ,   Europe   (05.17.11)
39. 67 line
paulo ,   brazil   (05.17.11)
obama never visited the 67 line ! it is very simple for him to bomb libia, to divide jerusalem, leave the golan for his sirian friend and aprove a judenrein state...
40. yes U can
MR. Obama ,   US citizen   (05.17.11)
say NO to right of return!
41. Borders
Tanya ,   USA   (05.17.11)
I agree.. No way for Israel to defend itself.. Dont listen to the president.. We dont.
42. 67' lines
Jorge ,   Israel/USA/Argentina   (05.17.11)
Mr. Obama, as per 1920 San Remo treated that the world ignore, the 67 lines do not exist. If like giving California to the Mexicans becuase they are angry. The Samaria and Judea are part of the Jewish Homeland and by giving away you are giving green light for another Jewish Holocaust. As reminder FDR did not do anything to prevent so do not follow him
43. 67 = ceasefire line! nothing to do with borders!
Jay3 ,   Israel   (05.17.11)
The West bank was land that Jordan annexed ....they lost the land after waging a war if aggression against Israel..........how this area all of the sudden became occupied Palestine is the biggest lie perpetrated by the ARabs! Enough of these Arab lies and deceit.....ISrael needs a leader that will tell the truth to the world, and stop playing along with the game! There is no such thing as a distinct Palestinian people or country.....never has been and never should be!
44. Yo, Mr. President.....
Joe ,   Florida, USA   (05.17.11)
You had me fooled during your 2008 campaign. Now we see how much he really gives a damn about Israel. Israel should never give back one inch of a land....EVER. No way, no how, ain't happening. They don't want the 1967 borders. That's where they want it to start. The ultimate goal is NO BORDER, NO ISRAEL. That's their goal, and giving in to the 1967 border is giving them what they want. They want your land and they want death. Never give land. One out of two ain't bad.
45. Opinions
max ,   Washington DC   (05.17.11)
Everyone is entitled to express their "Opinions" in Countries which allow Freedom of Expression. It is unlikely that withdrawing the iDF from the present border positions will bring Peace with the Arabs who continue by their actions of teaching their people and children to hate and murder Jews. Netanyahu needs to tell his Knesset and the U.S. Congress that Israel will remain in Judea and Samaria and Jerusalem will remain undivided under Israel Sovereignty. Peace may take many years for the Arab world to catch up to 20th century democracy with tolerance and human justice values( including womens rights). Rushing to create another unviable Arab State in the middle East is NOT in the interests of israel , America or the American People. IDF withdrawals have just made Peace more unlikely with the elections and arming of Hamas, Hezbollah and even the rise of Intolerant Religious Leaders in Egypt!
46. International Law
Ralph Levy ,   USA   (05.17.11)
Obama's statement is breaking International Law. Eugene Rostow Under Secretary of state author of UN resolution 242 wrote in 1991 that Israel and Jews had a right to settle the West Bank, and that the British Mandate cannot be rescinded. He also said that Israel was not required to go back to the 67 borders.
47. Just talk
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (05.17.11)
The Palestinians are just too enthralled with their new "border flash mobs"
48. obama's hidden agenda
Orest Goyan ,   Edmonton, Canada   (05.17.11)
Is obama Dr. Evil ? No, he doesn't have a medical degree !
49. show barak the door
moshon   (05.17.11)
so long as ehud barak is DM, israel is in mortal danger. He screwed up the marmora by ordering paintball guns, he rushes to offer concessions and the latest is he didn't know the nakba march would hit the golan. You anticipate everything. Halutz and peretz left after winograd said that they were incompetent. Events say that barak cannot handle things anymore,he is disconnected and as carolyn glick called him, a serial bungler. When was thelast land battle that barak did successfully. He has not. Other than some earlier commando actions, he has run away with idf casualties and losses. Bibi can keep him in a desk job away from defence. He is like eli zeira, same MO, arrogant, unprepared and wrong!
50. Same old, same old
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (05.17.11)
Nothing new, except that I am heartened that Obama is insisting that Fatah (and, by extension, their brand-new partners in the "unity" experiment, Hamas) recognize the State of Israel and acknowledge its essential character as a Jewish state. Of course, neither Fatah nor Hamas will ever do that, so the whole speech is behind the eight-ball to begin with. 1967 borders is a deal-breaker anyway, as is a shared Jerusalem. Judea and Samaria will be annexed -- there really is no alternative -- and the ersatz "Palestinians" residing in the West Bank will be repatriated to Jordan, or given the option of relocating to Gaza where they can indulge their fantasy of building a viable state.
51. to #30 the problem is the smuggle
ghostq   (05.17.11)
industry is bluming, when you make pali sign any agrement that limit their weapons ability they will by pass it, by smuggling as we see in Gaza, law and pali don't mash, as for Iran, easy the money from Saudi will be no more, the west bank economy is founded on their money without it the economy will collapes.
52. to ate Italia @9 And Palestininas accept to renounce..
ari ,   Romania Israel   (05.17.11)
to the law of return, recognize Israel as a Jewish State. Arabs in Israel have equal rights. So who is Fanatic? They wnat to All the refugees to come back is ok they come back to Palestine not Israel. They are palestinians not Israelies. Arabs did not recognized Israel in 1948 they were the ones who created the refugee Catastrophe they incited the mases to leave,and then clean their Hands. Let them settle those refugees in their countries. WHO IS THE FANATIC? This is not a Problem of 1967 nor a Prfoblem of 1948 already in the 30's the Mufti of Jerusalem was inciting to kill Jews
53. No to '67 line and NO to Obama!!!
Natan ,   USA   (05.17.11)
54. Chill out guys
Nissim ,   NYC   (05.17.11)
Ask yourselves honestly, how different is this from Olmert/Kadima's offer that the Pals walked away from? How different is this from what Bibi is honestly ready to give? It ain't. Trust me, I am a Zionist too, but we cannot afford this moral baggage any longer. The onus is on us at this stage. After these negotiations we end up with Jerusalem (the waqf will do admin only on the Temple Mount, Israeli or at worst joint security), Abu Dis as a symbol alone, we are recognized as a Jewish State (no right of return...tonality of 'nakba' dead), demilitarized borders. Then the onus is on the other side to live up to their end of their deal and make their existence NOT about our destruction. I think the risk is higher for the Palestinians - they politically define themselves via our destruction and opposition to Israel. They have no peacetime identity. I'd call this bluff any day of the week and turn their political war against upside friggin down. Bring it.
55. Obama and ME peace
Harold ,   USA   (05.17.11)
When Obama says to do something he will do it no matter what all commentator say. The ME problem will be solved by Obama only because not a single lobbyist can pressure him.
56. Will he still get his applause at the AIPAC Conference?
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, USA   (05.17.11)
If Obama indeed gives such a speech on Thursday, he will be confirming what I have long argued - that rather than an "honest broker", Obama is serving as the Palestinians' advocate. Except for the "recognition" issue, these are all Abbas' demands. Three days after this speech, Obama will be the keynote speaker at the AIPAC Conference. His last appearance there was in 2008, during the campaign, when he called for an undivided Jerusalem, then backtracked the *very next day*. Since he *is* the President, protocol requires a dignified welcome. But one has to wonder how these (mostly liberal) Jews will respond if these are indeed his new positions.
57. Obama can go to Hell
Brod ,   USA   (05.17.11)
Israel can tell Obama to go to Hell for messing up with the Land of Israel. Judeo-Christian America does NOT support Obama on his 1967 crap. A closeted Islamist, he is hellbent on crusading Jihadism to Dar Al Harb. Congress should rebuke Obama on the spot. Israel should stand strong in the face of this onslaught to its sovereignty on the Land of Israel-Judea and Samaria which Israel liberated from the Islamist-Jihadist occupiers in 1967. Netanyahu should tell Obama point blank NO! There is nothing Obama can do. In 2012, he will be dethroned in the ballot box if he is not impeached meanwhile for wallowing in the cesspool of Islamist-Jihadism-America's number one enemy!
58. Pre-1776 Borders
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (05.17.11)
Disband the United States and return all lands to the Indians. etc. Mr. Obama apparently has never studied history. Jews have been living in this land for more than 3000 years, long before there ever was the concept of "Arab". In fact, what is today Southern Lebanon and the East Bank of the Jordan is also Jewish lands for ancient times. We must get those back, too, ASAP.
59. #46; Ralph, YOUR RIGHT
Mark from Georgia ,   USA   (05.17.11)
This was also confirmed by Lord ,Caradon (the British rep to the UN) and Arthur Goldberg (the USA ambassador to the UN). Both who were co-authors of Resolution 242. Ambassador Goldberg stated: "Amb. Goldberg explained: "The notable omissions-which were not accidental-in regard to withdrawal are the words 'the' or 'all' and 'the June 5, 1967 lines'....the resolution speaks of withdrawal from occupied territories without defining the extent of withdrawal." And Lord Caradon stated: "The British Ambassador who drafted the approved resolution, Lord Caradon, declared after the vote: "It is only the resolution that will bind us, and we regard its wording as clear." DUring the debate in the UN about this Res. 242 the Soviets had this to say: "The Soviet delegate wanted the inclusion of those words and said that their exclusion meant "that part of these territories can remain in Israeli hands." Clearly, Israel was to keep some of the land for security reasons.
60. Holy Jerusalem
Yonah ,   USA   (05.17.11)
Hashem always strikes those who come against Israel with the exact same disaster that they wish upon Israel. If the US calls for our holy Jerusalem to be split - America will be split !! This would be a sad day.
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