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Going back to the Bible
Avi Rath
Published: 02.06.11, 11:20
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31. bible is always relevant veapon
Anita ,   finland   (06.02.11)
Very good article.Read Isaiah 8:9-10. it's said in these verses that every agreament what is not from God will not last forever. So because God has created everything He has the final word for everything and everyone will see that the Land will always stay in the ownership of God and the righteous ones. Talking about bible is very relevant because the only truth stands there. It doesn´t matter if people belive it or not it will happen anyway and the rest agreements and speeches what comes outside from the bible will not last in the end. Because they are not from The Truth.
32. YOU KNOW WHY # 17?
FO ,   Belgium   (06.02.11)
Because the Israeli leadership prefers to put the nation at risk rather than lose face. Because a majority of them are the heirs of those who were blinded by Marxism and disowned the embryo of a Jewish State presented to them by the League of Nations in 1922, a decision that became International Law, and valid to this day due to Article 80 of the Charter of the United Nations. You understand that this foolish behaviour made the Shoah possible? This is what the leadership tries to keep secret. So no word about International Law in our favour, and will happen what will happen....
33. Oh yes! Invoke the great real estate agent in the sky.
seadog1946 ,   ErieBasin, NYC   (06.02.11)
34. What You HAVEN'T Tried!!!
Edward ,   Savannah, USA   (06.02.11)
Instead of 'quoting" Bible verses that most people don't believe in, why not use a different approach? Why not DO what the Scriptures state, instead of just QUOTING them!!!??? Makes a BIG difference!!! God GAVE Israel victory in the '67 & '73 wars so that Israel would have the Sinai, Jerusalem, and Judea/Samaria area that was promised to them. What did Israel DO with the land that God allowed them to receive through His Blessings and victory?? WHY...GIVE IT ALL BACK TO THEIR ENEMIES, what else!!!???Judea/Samaria hasn't been given back YET, but Netanyahu stated in his speech before the U.S. Congress that HE will make "painful concessions" and be GENEROUS with Land that is NOT his to give!!! So, the BEST way to PROVE your claims through the Bible is TO LIVE THEM!!! Only when the world SEES that Israel still stands, grows, and expands to the borders PROMISED to them, and the world can not stop it, only then will everyone believe it. Maybe it is time for Jews to BELIEVE their OWN Scriptures too!!!???
35. #18 Agreed 100%
Nour ,   One-State   (06.02.11)
"Any people that loses its land as a result of an unprovoked invasion has a right of return - no matter how much time has elapsed since the invasion." I could not agree more. After 63 miserable years, we are ready to RETURN HOME.
36. Wissam #26
Brod ,   USA   (06.02.11)
You call the Bible-the WORD of GOD a fairy tale. That is the worst insult to Judeo-Christians and Jews. The Bible preaches GOD'S Love for humanity and Righteousness. The Bible gives GOD'S Ten Commandments to humanity of "Thou shalt not..." By contrast, the Koran preaches hatred and killing of Jews and Judeo-Christians and all Kufars as commanded by your koranic god. See Mosab Hassan Yousef's Youtube Interviews pertaining to the god of Islam-the god of the koran and the koran.
37. JMK #29
Brod ,   USA   (06.02.11)
Only a Pagan AntiSemite like you would call the Bible fiction.
38. What about Going back to Europe ?!
Salma ,   Palestine   (06.02.11)
It's suit more with the twenty-first century
39. #30 But it already happened
Amihai ,   Yesha   (06.02.11)
Just read the declaration of independance. All the speech of Ben-Gurion, Jabotinsky, Ebban, Begin, and yes, even Rabin. Even the name "zion", and then "zionist", exist because of the Bible. Even if you don't believe in it, you have to admit that it make a good proof of ownance for the jews, a book they have strongly keeped for 2000 years and which has spread across the world. Even if you think it was written at different times by different people, you have to admit that it clearly states the claims of this land.
40. Religion..the last refuge of scoundrels...
Mikesailor ,   Miami, FL   (06.02.11)
To paraphrase and update Edmund Burke. Apparently the old hasbara is just not working as well as it once did.
41. # 29 & 30
American Sabrah   (06.02.11)
29.The bible is just as fictional as you are. You don't even know that much to qualify as an atheist. I believe that global warming is myth. What other proof can we use to claim our inheritance in our country? Get real, dude! 30.The Bible is the only source that declares are right to a sovereign nation; not the Balfour declaration. You don't need to be religious to understand that.You just need a brain that can think rationally and understand our heritage. It doesn't matter what the rest of the world thinks. If they don't believe in the bible then that's their problem. They don't have to believe that we have biblical ownership to Israel anymore than we don't have to believe that the West Bank belongs to the PA.They don't have the right to deny our heritage from our homeland.I am not going to relinquish my biblical inheritance to this land just because some loud mouthed self hating inane anti religious atheist thinks I'm illegally occupying PA territory. If you think its all drivel then you clearly don't understand the fact that the world has never been friendly towards the Jews -let alone the idea of them having a homeland.As far as they are concerned, we should be persecuted in exile until we are annihilated from this planet.The predominately Islamic Middle East doesn't want a Jewish country amongst them.As far as I see it, its more about Muslim conquest of Israel than it is about debating their religious right to live here.Look no further than Europe and Egypt where the radical preachings of Islam is increasingly becoming more influential.
42. To #38
Edward ,   Savannah, USA   (06.02.11)
Salma, why don't you follow your OWN advice and go to Europe where the REST of your family is already there and waiting for you!!!??? You'll get that big EU passport, open borders, P.C. living, and all the finer things of a First World Country...oh wait, my bad, WAS first world, until all your relatives moved in and started regressing these countries BACK to 7th/ century squaller, just like your little hell hole in Ramallah!!!
43. Israel does not need PR;Israel needs to ACT.
Keren ,   IL-BR   (06.02.11)
Israel needs to act EXACTLY in Ben Gurion's terms and direction: "Torah,this is our ownership deed". Period.
44. Israel's ownership deed over this land...
Keren ,   IL-BR   (06.02.11)
...is the only one valid ownership deed in the world. Ask Americans where is the ownership deed that warrants them the lands they occupy in America-South and North.Do they have one? Ask Europeans where is the ownership deed of the lands they occupy in all those countries in that continent.Do they have one? Ask Australians where is the ownership deed of the lands they occupy in all that continent.Do they have one? Ask Arabs where is the ownership deed of the lands they occupy in Africa ,ME... ( not to mention the "palestinian"joke they are trying).Do they have one? Now,ask the WHOLE WORLD where is the ownership deed of Israel. What is the answer? CONCLUSION: Any,but any, honest individual ,group,nation....can not deny or argument or rationalize against this Truth.
45. Please teach pres. Carter what the BIBLE says!
Jouko ,   Finland   (06.02.11)
The presidents of U.S.A should be taught how to read the Bible and what the Bible says about the Holy Land. Jesus never abolished the Jewish Bible - on the contrary! The big problem with many chistians is - they don't know how to read the Bible like Jesus read and taught it!
46. To #35
Nigel ,   Israel   (06.02.11)
But it never was your land.....
47. the word of god greater than all hydro bombs
David ,   Perth, Australia   (06.02.11)
The word of God is greater than any other weapon in Israel's arsonal. If our leaders in the West were God fearing christians they would also recognise that the whole land of Israel was given by God to Abraham Issac and Jacob. Islam is not a biblical people.
48. To #31
John ,   Boise, Idaho USA   (06.02.11)
Very good response. Most of what I see here in these talkbacks is misunderstandings and misconceptions of the Bible. It is evident that those who have not understood - have not even read it. To rely on heresay information does an injustice to no one but to those who refuse to read it. In like manner, the ones who use only a portion of it to self-justify terrorist activities, a claim to fame, or to bring harm upon an innocent group of people, have their lives out of context with God's will and purpose for mankind. They are easily recognized by misquoting the blessings through Isaac and Jacob and Joseph, and in all finality, for all of mankind. God has and will continue to be quite specific regarding Israel's role in the salvation of mankind, whether the masses agree or not. In like manner, the Bible has, and will continue to be the explanation and final cause of all, and the only viable option for the here and the hereafter. If rejected by the many, they will have to rely on whatever "fantasies" they conjure for themselves to pave their own designated path to eternity.
49. #39: Where was David ben-Gurion
Steve   (06.02.11)
Where was David Ben-Gurion when the Declaration of Indepence was written? Wasn't Ben-Gurion's god socialism? Why wasn't God mentioned specifally (by Israel's modern founders) in the Declaration of Independence if Ben-Gurion were a man of faith? Did Ben-Gurion make the case for the Bible in the Declaration? Didn't Ben-Gurion order Haganah to open fire on fellow Jews who were bringing in arms to resist the British occupier after the British allowed Hitler to murder six million Jews by strangling Jewish immigration to the land? The Altalena; wasn't that Ben-Gurion's doing? While I agree with the author of this piece - the Jewish people's right to the land of Israel is justified by God and our covenant with God - Jewish leaders like David Ben-Gurion failed Israel in this respect. Later Ben-Gurion supported giving up all of Judea and Samaria following the miraculous 1967 Six Day war! This is a man of faith? This is a Zionist?
50. Islam and the Hebrew Bible
Steve   (06.02.11)
Islam (or at least devout Muslims), unlike Christians, do not accept the integrity of the Jewish Bible, the Torah, the prophets (as they are recorded in our Bible), etc. Mpr does Islam accept the integrity of the Christian bible, the gospels, etc. That is why, among other reasons (too many to go into for the moment) Islam will not be convinced that the land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people today. Therefore it is the Christian world that Israel needs to make its case. It is the Christian world that needs to be reminded, God gave the land of Israel to the Jews; to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob and their descendants forever.
51. Mikesailor #40
Steve   (06.02.11)
If the Jewish Bible is the last refuge of scoundrels, might I suggest atheism is the last refuge of the foolish?
52. Salma #38
Brod ,   USA   (06.02.11)
Your knowledge of History, the Bible and Biblical Archaeology is zero. Arab Islamist-Jihadists came from the Bottomless Pit of Arabia in the 7th century. The Land of Israel belongs to the Jewish Nation since 4000 years ago. Past invaders had come and gone into the dustbin of history. But the Jews remain to this day because of GOD'S Providence on the Jewish Nation-His Chosen people who brought the WORD of GOD to humanity. The Land of Israel is GOD-GIVEN and GOD-RESTORED to the Jewish Nation. The Jewish Nation liberated the historic homeland-Land of Israel from the Islamist-Jihadist occupiers in the 20th century, just as Spain liberated its historic homeland of Spain from the Islamist-Jihadist occupiers in the 15th century.
53. # 38 and #40
Kazim Ali ,   Kut, Iraq   (06.02.11)
These are the only honest answers, the rest are ideological and can be addressed similarly by other books .
54. #35
Geoff ,   London (UK)   (06.02.11)
I'm glad you agree. That means that both people's have a right of return. hence the need for a two state solution - a Jewish state and a Palestinian one.
55. It should have been that way all long !!!
Andrew ,   Miami,FL   (06.02.11)
because its the truth !!!!
56. THE BIBLE IS OUR NATIONAL HISTORY
Andrew ,   Miami,FL   (06.02.11)
FOR ALL WHO SAY "GO BACK TO WHERE YOU ARE FROM" - JUST POINT AND SAY - "WE DID !!"
57. To Nigel #14. ONLY Fools Will Dare.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (06.02.11)
You say :” Muslims claim that they are now God's (Allah's) people and that the Biblical account is wrong” Moses the Lawgiver (the one that brought the Jewish People from Egypt to the Promised Land) recorded around 1250 B.Chr. that the Land of Israel was given by YAHWEH, the Supreme Lord, to the Jewish People. IF the Muslims claim that this Biblical account is wrong -- that will mean that the Muslims do NOT have faith in the words of Moses the Lawgiver. By doubting the words of Moses the Lawgiver -- the Muslims are showing that they have NO trust in Moses the Lawgiver. BY not trusting Moses the Lawgiver -- the Muslims are showing to the Supreme Lord that they (i.e. the Muslims) don’t mind to go against the Supreme Lord. BY going against the decision of the Supreme Lord -- the Muslims are playing with fire. And this fire will burn them (i.e. the Muslims) badly. CONCLUSION ONLY fools will dare to go against the Supreme Lord. BTW those who go against the decision of the Supreme Lord can NOT be called ALLAH’s people.
58. Won't fly ,...
split ,   US   (06.02.11)
Take look at your leadership, almost all of them are blue-grey eyed, a pale complexion Caucasians hardly reminding anyone from that part of the world
59. can you till how you do this
Rafik Hanna ,   Vancouver, canada   (06.02.11)
IN fact I'm a CH, and believe about what u say. but Moslem dos not believe that you have the you have the ( as a Jewish )right even to remain alive? how can you deal with them? No way As usual no one will reply. any way Thks. just if you read id
60. to #7
Isaak of Vienna   (06.02.11)
If the Bible is a fantasy book, then what are you doing in Israel? than the Arabs are right and you are an intruder,
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