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Going back to the Bible
Avi Rath
Published: 02.06.11, 11:20
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61. 7 Gregg
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (06.02.11)
The 21th century,without the bible has answers to everything,and solutions to nothing.
62. the first rashi in genesis says
avrom ,   bet shemesh   (06.02.11)
if the nations say to Israel you are robbers in the fact that you conquered the land you should say to them all the world belongs to the Holy One Blessed be He created it and gave it to who was fitting in his eyes with his will he gave it and with his will took it from them and gave it to us
63. #49
Amihai ,   Yesha   (06.02.11)
I fully agree with you. But that wasn't my point. #30 thought that not only it was a stupid idea, but that no-one would ever tried. I just proved that even someone like Ben-Gurion used the bible in order to prove our claims. (yeah, he's not such an exemple for us, but for someone so much secular like #30, he is)
64. Geoff #54 too late
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (06.02.11)
There are two states already. The first state was established when your country illegally stole 78% of our land and gave to the Arabs. If want to give them more land, let it be some of yours. Ours is not for sale.
65. Israel
Paul Divine ,   St. Louis USA   (06.02.11)
Any one how studies Bible prophesy knows that more than half of the prophesies written in the Bible have already been fullfilled. This is an absolute fact. The prophesies have proved to be absolutely accurate. We then, can believe the rest of the prophesies will certainly be ffullfilled.
66. To Rafik #59. Keep it Simple.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (06.03.11)
You say that ‘Muslims do not believe that the Jews even have the right to remain alive.’ The Jewish People have a history of minimum three thousand plus years -- and they will continue to exist for the coming thousands of years. IF the Muslims believe the above quoted -- that means that their believe is WRONG. You asked :” how can you deal with them?” Because Muslims have VERY little brain substance that’s why it is VERY difficult for them to understand philosophy. So, don’t talk with them about ALLAH. Because of shortage of brain substance it is VERY difficult for them to understand ALLAH. IF you want to talk with them, talk about your family, ask him about his family -- in other words, keep it simple.
67. so why does Israel as a nation not keep the bible??!!
joe ,   london   (06.03.11)
Valid point but when a great portion of israel does not keep the Mitzvos of the bible and the press mocks the relegious, you have a problem, you can't pick and choose!
68. Spiritual reality
Gila ,   Jerusalem   (06.03.11)
Actually the Bible is true; the Tanach, not the NT. However remember it should be read essentially as a theological and ethical text with far deeper meanings than on the surface rather than as a history book, although there is much history also contained within its pages. It also should be read in the original Hebrew with Rashi and other commentaries. As an academic with a strong logical mind, nevertheless I had an amazing time courtesy of Hashem Himself who helped me in incredible ways to see the truth: that all there is is G-d and it is actually G-d who is bringing the Jews back to our land. The covenant He made with our ancestors is real. There are many amazing things happening for those with the eyes to see: many many people are finding that G-d is real and that it is ultimately G-d who gave us this land of Israel. Many people returning to this land have incredible stories of how it came about, and there are some open miracles happening in this holy land of Israel. Jews have a direct relationship with G-d and we all have an immortal soul that contacts us directly to its source, Hashem. Anyone who believes that the infinite unfathomable mind of G-d, who created the whole universe with billions of stars way beyond our imagination, could even begin to fit into the finite mind of any human being including that of a misguided but observant Jew who lived 2000 years ago, is making our Creator far far far too small.
69. Bible, history, law makes Israel's claim incontrovertible.
Chaim ,   Israel   (06.03.11)
Israel's claim to Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria rest on three solid pillars. Each one of them alone is as strong as any nations' claim to their land. We have our biblical claim, which is revered by hundreds of millions of believing Jew, Christians and even Moslems. We have our historical claim dating back well over 3,500 years. On top of all this we have our incontrovertible legal claim. Countless stop international lawyers have proven Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria belong to Israel. Even Eugene Rostow, author of U.N. Resolution 242, admitted so.
70. How about the "we dont care what the world thinks" approach
Michael ,   NY USA   (06.03.11)
Stop trying to justify your actions to the world.Since no rational approach works, try the irrational or emotional. Emphasize emotional and historical connection to the country and that it is not up for negotiation.
71. Ownership
Ken ,   Australia   (06.03.11)
So simple so true , but not for the gentiles of this world , not enough for them to stand up for the jewish people of this book. What else can be said, what else can be shown or what other possibilities can be envisioned , these visions and more can be a constant mission of ours , but it wont hold wieght , not untill we demand that our gentile brothers stop denying there jewish brothers, whilst we show them, they still refuse to grow up, they want to keep denying , if there were not so much denying there would be much more reconcilliation, the arabs feed from the im-balance of this nature, we need more cooperation, un-equivical sentiment , we dont need to keep trying to convince people to take a stand , they need to side once and for all and be put in a position of being told to stop perpetuateing for no reason whats so ever, this is the great farcical element thats the elephant in the room, the gentiles need to side with us and rule out any negative aspirations , therefore the ownership will be very well known.
72. Just a thought... And I do believe your right to the land
Hang on to ,   your butts   (06.04.11)
But do you really believe what the Bible says is true? any of you? Because if your going to push the Bible you should do what it says, duh? Hang on to your butts cause the Bible says that G-d is going to do a great thing in your midst. And this thing He is going to do is for His Name sake and you Israel profane his name, but He will bring about His purposes anyway. And Israel will be the light of the world, but imagine what you will go through to get there. Trail by fire! and believe me the fire is about to start burning hotter and hotter. Can anyone in Israel say they KNOW the G-D of Isreal? The God of the Bible? How do you turn that disaster around? You do not know HIM! and to the editor who reads this and decides not to print it, Shame on YOU!
73. on #8, haim
joel ,   usa   (06.04.11)
well, as ignorant as you are, you need to know history if you are an atheist at least, ok? even religions rely on historical facts, but idiots only believes on himself so that makes him ignorant!
74. The bible, snow white and clarity
alan siegel ,   beer sheva israel   (06.04.11)
If the bible is a document received from god then he claim cannot be refuted. If it is a historical document the claim cannot be refuted. If it a collection of literary documents it confirms anyway. We were instructed to take the land. and get rid of the idol worshipers. Good idea. Let's do it. Anybody read "Snow White, her seven brothers and her honor beheading"
75. To #72. NO Value AT ALL.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (06.04.11)
You say :” and you Israel profane his name” This statement of yours shows that you hate Israel (and thus also the Jews). You say :” Can anyone in Israel say they KNOW the G-D of Isreal? The God of the Bible?” What I can say definitive, what I can say for certain is that you do NOT know the God of the Bible. And thus your words in connection with the God of the Bible has NO meaning, has NO value AT ALL !!!
76. Re The Bible
Kay ,   Cape Town SA   (06.04.11)
To Paul, in Spain. If you think that the Lord has changed His mind, then indeed you have never read your Bible. And, if that is so, mayabe He changed His mind about you also!!
77. #37, 41, Sorry, Jews were are real but the Torah, Gospels...
JMK ,   NYC   (06.04.11)
and Koran are pure myth. These religion and holy books are man made out of literary mythical creations not the works of any god. Why do Jews need a phony book to live justify living and prospering free from the hellish misery the goyim put them through. The Bible from the beginning is a conglomeration of redacted reworked ancient middle eastern myths based directly from Egypt and Babylon. This is proven but then you would have to read the scholarship. God blesses your ignorance and why not you created him and continnue his existence by avoiding the facts.
78. #1 Correct, Mohammed never existed, neither did Abraham nor
JMK ,   NYC   (06.04.11)
Jesus. You know that Mohammed never existed because the scholarship of modern critical minds, the same for the Bible in all its forms is fiction and it would be a suicidal joke to ignore logic just to feel good.
79. 75 lol Oh but I do and so do millions, sorry for you.
As far as hating ,   I am no better   (06.04.11)
but I do not hate the Jews, just calling a spade a spade. The problem is none are righteous. But one can be chosen.... But only by G-d's election. you don't seem to know Him or you could easily believe I could. Sorry but someday maybe, just not today for you. Does the bible describe what is following God and what is not? and is Israel a shining example of that following? I think not, not at this point in history.
80. To #79. Not Something Cheap.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (06.05.11)
You say :” but I do not hate the Jews” Thanks for clarifying your position. I appreciate that. You say :” you could easily believe I could.” Believing should NOT be done easily. Only after hearing for a prolonged period of time (and only AFTER being satisfied with his answers) should one take the decision to believe the speaker. Believing is not something cheap.
81. Thats tha problem with the right wing loonies
Eitan ,   TA   (06.05.11)
They look at situation as PR... Reality on the ground with bible, without bible, there are equal number of Palestinians to Jews between the river and the sea including Gaza. There are 3 options: ! - two states for two people one Jewish one not.. 2 - Bi National state. 3 - Apartheid There is no 4th option and the statuesque is not sustainable. Now go back read the bible and think about it.
82. bible is jewish peoples right to israel
wads ,   west lothian, uk   (06.05.11)
Christians cannot support the belief that Israel has the right to the land but rather the land is promised to the seed (singular) of Abraham, Christians accept this seed as Jesus Christ. God siad in Isaiah the prophet that his people will be given back the land when they behave in a righteous manner. This can not mean the Jewish people today obviously. The prophecies of expulsion and return to the land are pre babylonian exile and were fulfilled at said exile. If christians read their bibles and did not listen to vile God channel lies they would know that the land is reserved for the true israel. people who walk in the steps of abraham not people who are descendants of Abraham bit rather those who are included in the descendant of Abraham.
83. #41 American Sabrah
Ken ,   Australia   (06.05.11)
NIcley Written, Bet your mother on it - No islamic or muslim conquests will ever match the biblical rights of this book , its people, our rights, our existance. They know very well that they will never invade the jewish homeland again, this is why all the terrorism and crying tactics, because they know they have lost any form of conquest , so the only one they aspire towards now is there statehood project, which they dont really even want, all they want to do is waist everybodies time for one purpose, to conquer the jews, its ingrained in there mentality, so why are we going to give up the land of israel for the sake of the arabs false beleifs. If they want to make a state , let them make one, but not on our land or with our blood or heritage. All the jew haters can go , you know where, the arabs can go back to arabia from where they came from as it is around 10% of the worlds land mass.
84. 82 spouts hogwash. It is to the seed of Izaak who are the
chosen ,   Ishmael is rejected   (06.05.11)
receivers of the land. Not Ishmael! How they behave has nothing to do with them calling. These promises are not based on works but on God's election. God will redeem Israel and make them righteous for his name sake, not because they acted better or worse. All have missed the mark. Stupid fools all. God will not give what he gave for his namesake to any other, Some may be grafted in but the Jews are not replaced for any reason. He will make a People out of dry bones of Israel. Ishmael is rejected and anyone saying different is lying. A great nation yes but trouble for the world, and boy how that is true. They call it the religion of peace! lol. They boast they they are chosen to replace the jews as the people of God, and think it is their duty to kill the Jews! Hogwash this is what will make God act against them and the world and restore the glory of His kingdom to the Jews, to prove what he said he would do, he is able to do! He will do all that he said just like he said and the ones who say the Jews don't deserve anything but death are like fish on a hook of dumb beasts caught in a trap laid for them. They will prove themselves wrong and God and His word right. You really think God is going to be nice to those who try to kill his chosen and kick the off the land he swore to give them?
85. 82 you have clearly never read the Bible. You just take
what others tell you ,   as fact.   (06.05.11)
The Jews will forever inherit the land and those who say they don't deserve it are right but that doesn't change facts. It just makes them fish on a hook being reeled in to serve God purposes to show forth his glory and power. They are not rejected, Ishmael, and his descendants are the rejected, for all time. can't undo that no matter how well you spin it.
86. PR-Backto the Bible
Richard Thorpe ,   New zealand.   (06.05.11)
Shalom brethren, In Gen. 18:19-20 After Abraham was obedient in circumsition, and knowing his heart -to do justice according to Torah so that YHWH could bring apon him and his descendants that which He had promised to pour out in covenant Blessings . With Isaac and jacob and Moses the dtail s of blessing and our part in unmerited trusting obedience is set out-and the rest is History!- but there is still a way to go.If we maintain our public and personal relations with HIM UNDER GRACE AND lOVE, THEN ALL THE OTHERPR 'S WILL TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES IN hIS PROVEDENCE. Throughout Scripture it is alway unmerited favour. The only One Who Merits Abba's favour is He whom John the babtist proclaimed in fulfilled Scripture-'Behold the Lamb of YHWH Who takes away the sin of the world!Alelyuya! AMEN -and all who call apon Him in trust -He who is echad with the Father.
87. our problems-YHWH's opportunity
Richard ,   NZ   (06.06.11)
Will someone remind your PM the Scripture;Woe to those who go to Egypt'' for help''rather we all must make TESHUVAH and turn to the Lord our living ELOHIM alone-then He will speadily fulfil His Covenant promises.We never merit anything -it is all unmerited favour from Him-our loving Heavenly Father-Redeemer of all the earth.Then we will see unfolding, from sea to sea, a true international family ----- of 'Abrahamia' (read 86again. ) with respect. RT
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