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Israel PR video irks Arabs
Itamar Eichner
Published: 28.07.11, 11:58
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61. # 51 just yesterday I read Ali's (palestinian) hateful...
Tali ,   Israel   (07.28.11)
comments, so please stop pretending! All I can hope for is understanding and a real dialogue from both sides. Yours and ours together.
62. #2;John, SORRY, CASE CLOSED
Mark from Georgia ,   USA   (07.28.11)
At last Israel is taking the PR offensive, and rightly so. People have heard the repeated lies so often, they begin to accept it as the truth. The key here, there is NO Arab leader who will dare publicly debate this issue. Why do think that is? This video is the truthful and correct version of history. Look at post #2, John gets so many details wrong it becomes laughable, even which countries recognized Jordan's illegal occupation of the West Bank. Then somehow twists that into it becoming a legal occupation. Then of course his ridiculous interpretation (actually the Arab narrative of it) of the Balfour Declaration, which was in fact, crystal clear at the time it was written. Everybody involved understood precisely what it meant, and the so called vagueness, which was intentional because of the Arab Nationalism sweeping that part of the world at the time. Again, remember not a single Arab country recognized Jordan's control and occupation over the West Bank. What does that tell you? About the only thing Arabs could agree on after the 1967 War, which the UN classified as defensive on Israel's part was this: "The Arab League's Khartoum conference in September declared continuing belligerency, and stated the league's principles of "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it" So after 1967 Israel had the right to do whatever it wanted with the captured land. Actually their hope was to trade land for a permanent peace. But as the above meeting in Khartoum proved, the Arab had only a single mind to destroy Israel, which as the video correctly points out, is illegal. Thank the Lord Israel has finally decided to take the PR offensive. Expect people to accuse Israel of "Hasbara" which in their mind is a derogatory term. It means in their mind Israeli propaganda, or falsehoods. But notice with that "one word" (Hasbara), there will be NO examples...usually...and when there are, they can be refuted easily.
63. NO SUCH THING AS "WEST BANK"! ONLY JUDEA & SAMARIA!
PERIOD!   (07.28.11)
WHY DOES YNET DENY ITS OWN HISTORY?
64. #51....100% correct. It doesn't concern me in the least.
Noodles ,   Coney Island   (07.28.11)
65. #2 The green line is meaningless.
Tahl   (07.28.11)
You say, "with ceding the territories to Palestinians, it gained political connotation." Well, by whose authority exactly were these territories ceded? The country who lost them in a war it started? Well then. By all reasonable standards, if you lost something, it is no longer yours to give to anyone. Hence king Hussein's ceding ot the West Bank territories to the Palestinians, holds absolutely no water, and is definitely not legally binding in any way. By the very same logic, Germany today can "cede" Poland or the Czech Republic to Austria. Of course, as an Israeli I know that keeping the entire West Bank would be suicidal for us. But the basis for determining the borders of the future Palestinian state, should have absolutely nothing to do with the green line - not only borderwise, but also area-wise. The Palestinian claim for a state having the exact number of square kilometers as within the green line (or the 1-to-1 concept) is simiarly groundless for the same reason. The most sensible solution would be to determine the borders in accordance with demographics. Areas where Arabs live (including in Israel-proper, adjacent to the green line), would be annexed to the future Palestinian state. Areas with predominantly Jewish population (Mt. Scopus, Maale Adumim, the northern Dead Sea, etc) would be annexed to Israel. All the small settlements deep inside Palestinian population would be removed. Such two-state solution is the exact vision Danny Ayalon has in mind, as the outcome of negotiation.
66. #60 is that the best you can do, Uri?
Tahl   (07.28.11)
You must be scratching the bottom of the barrel, if all you can provide to counter Ayalon is a letter by a bunch of anti-Zionists nobody has heard of, filled with uncorroborated accusations. By the way, when is Russia going to retreat from occupied Chechniya and Ossetia? When will it stop violating Georgia's air space? When will the Russian generals pay for their war crimes in Grozny?
67. Excellent!! It is high time the truth be told in simple and
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (07.28.11)
direct way. This video must be shown on each and every computer monitor and TV set worldwide!! P.S. I hope Mr. Obama views it as well...!!
68. palestinians are Canaanite people
Abu Ali   (07.28.11)
they were there when hebrews walked in on them..and when rome conqured they where also there plus the jews.... Canaanite converted to christianity after Jesus period..then majority of them were converted to islam by force under the rule of Omar 2nd caliph 1400 YEARS AGO...then Canaanite /palestinians were forced to become ARABIZED they spoke aramiac not arabic....the current palestinians do not resemble the saudi skin color or their DNA......jews and arabs OF the holy land are natives....palestinians are better off to live in one state of israel with civil rights...or israel give them their rights on the westbank...so arab Demography will be out of their democratic way!
69. exellent video. finally we have Israel's PR.
(07.28.11)
take a look at another one...http://emunadate.blogspot.com/2010/11/blog-post.html
70. @ 42
Sarah ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (07.28.11)
and I forgot to add something. Jordan was also palestine of the british mandate and also Syria! It was the name of all the region! and according to your logic: why don't they uprise against Abdullah and Rania or Assad??? you say it's their land no??? so why only in Israel where they get more rights than in Syria???? where is your Logic????
71. #60
Yael ,   Israel   (07.28.11)
You forget to mention there was a Jewish Nakva too. Million Jews were deported (without the property) from the arab nations as the Arab countries heard of the newly established state of Israel. do you remember??? pogroms against the Jews of Hebron, Beit- Lehem (also hebrew names) and organazing "poor Arabs" to exterminate all Jews of the ME is also Nakva! http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.com/2011/05/jewish-refugees-must-be-address-for.html in order to achive genuine peace we should tell the truth!
72. search for Haj Amin al Husseini and you will get who is the
Dare ,   world citizen   (07.28.11)
villain here!!!!! and then connect the dots be searching for the connection between him and Arafat.
73. Did Ayalon also mention that Philistine means Invader
Yaniv ,   Israel   (07.28.11)
in ancient Hebrew?
74. Absurd Situation!
Zeev, Haifa   (07.28.11)
Here are two points that come to mind after watching this video of our Deputy FM: 1. The Deputy FM insinuates that Lord Balfour as well as the British Mandate committed themselves to turn entire Palestine, that then included Transjordan into a Jewish state. The truth appears to be different: “A Jewish homeland IN Palestine”. This clearly is a far cry from a State in ALL of Palestine… 2. The Deputy FM claims the territory to be “disputed” rather than “conquered”. Indeed, this matches the text of the Internet site of our Ministry of Foreign Affairs. There we officially state ”The West Bank and Gaza Strip are disputed territories whose status can only be determined through negotiations.” If indeed the Territories are “disputed” pending negotiation, what could possibly be more plausible than to halt any activity that might change the character of the disputed territory during the period of negotiation? In other words, not to change the facts on the ground while the issue is being negotiated? Our refusal to obey such elementary rules of good faith, suggests that we have no intention to leave the Westbank. This suspicion is supported by the incredible investments that have been made there without halt, for decades. The inevitable conclusion must be that all talk about Two States and an amiable solution of the conflict, is mere eyewash. The implication of this to the future of Israel as a Jewish and Democratic state, is worrying.
75. To: John at No. 34
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.28.11)
Unfortunately, I am unable to read the entirety of your response because the right margin is cut off. But I can gather sense from the rest of the content. I take issue with one of your points. When Israel annexes the West Bank -- and it is a question of when, not if -- Israel is under no obligation to absorb foreigners. Since West Bank Arabs are Jordanian citizens, Israel has the absolute right of any sovereign state to repatriate foreigners. And that is precisely what Israel will do -- repatriate Jordanian citizens to the country of their citizenship. I stand by my statement that the only country that "recognized" Jordan's attempted annexation of the West Bank was Pakistan.
76. To: No. 59
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.28.11)
Clearly, your brain is shot through with permafrost. Or vodka. Or both. Stop babbling incoherently.
77. To: No. 51
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.28.11)
Doesn't bother me in the least. I have grown quite tired of Salma's pithy smiley faces and Nour's ignorance. Frankly, I have yet to read ANY contribution from the pro-ersatz "Palestinian" camp that addresses facts and history. All they seem to be able to do is whine endlessly. So no, I am not troubled or concerned in the least.
78. Totally inaccurate
John R ,   NYC USA   (07.28.11)
First, Mr Ayalon should read multiple Israeli court rulings that label Israel as a belligerent occupier. Second, Article 49 of the 4th Geneva Convention reads," The occupying power shall not deport or TRANSFER parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies." That the Israeli Government spent $17 billion dollars appropriating West Bank land, subsidizing housing, building infrastructure like schools, post offices, government buildings ,roads, a security fence, and provided security through 11,000 IDF troops plus Knesset representation, I'm sure has nothing to do with why settlers moved to the West Bank. Unfortunately for Mr Ayalon, the world labels that as a Government induced transfer. As for Judge Schwiebel, he is not head of the International Court of Justice , he is the former head. The International Court of Justice in 2004 ruled that Israeli West Bank settlements violated art 49 of the 4th Geneva Convention and were illegal. They are the court of last resort on matters determining whether the Geneva Convention has been violated asside form being the highest judicial body in the world. Under art 94 of the UN Charter , Israel is required to honor their rulings as accepted law.The UNSC approved 9 Security Council resolutions going back to 1968 that said the settlements violated article 49 of the 4th Geneva Convention and were illegal. Under the UN Charter art 25, Security Council rulings are binding. None of the 162 countries which recognize Israel (or for that matter any of the remaining world countries) recognize Israeli West Bank settlements as legal. This is pure distorted PR and it represents why Israel is viewed so poorly in this world. It is also an example of why it can't make peace.
79. Ayalon
WadiAra ,   Karkur ,Israel   (07.28.11)
What distortions! There is no credible historian who would accept this warped version of history. Shocking that this will be shown to children as truth... or perhaps Netanyahu Govt facts - a BIG difference!
80. Whose territoy is it? no 58
JUDAH THE LION   (07.28.11)
Sorry W Jerusalem recognised by the world, WB & East Jeriusalem,Hebron,Schhem, & the rest read the New/Old Testament,and the Quran.Please note when the leaders of Europe goes to CHURCHES they read the New Testament and they acknowledge East Jerusalem as Jewish.On Polticis,they are on your side for their own interest,such as business,OIL,OIL,OIL,& others things. EU=Hookers
81. #2 John's post is laughable and lying
sally ,   Israel   (07.28.11)
"John -USA" I bet he hasnt even visited the US. Your spelling shows clearly that you are not an american...and your facts are fiction, only learned in some arab country...Your lack of intelligence is displayed worldwide....but nice try.
82. The Bible
orest goyan ,   Edmonton, Alberta/Ca   (07.28.11)
Whether you want to believe the Holy Bible is the Word of God, or not, it is up to you - that is a matter of faith. But the fact that the Bible is also a historical document, is beyond dispute! It is the basis of all historical, and archaeology science in the middle-east. No scientist or University in the world would go to the middle-east to study it's history, without the help of the Bible. The history of the Bible has been proven by more achaeology discoveries, than any other book in the world; certainly thousands of times more than the koran. So John; if you don't want to go to God for your facts; then go to history; and the Bible is a proven, ancient, archaeological document. It is used as a reference by every University, archaeologist, scientist, historian in the world; who is studing the middle-east and Isreal! PS: You, yourself have just proven that another part of the Bible is absolute fact. When you said the courts could not find God, you verified the truth of the Bible that says in Isaiah 45:15 "Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Isreal, the Saviour" !
83. To: No. 42
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.28.11)
Please understand that everyone acknowledges that there was mandatory Palestine, and prior to that there was Palestine, a province of the Ottoman Empire. There has NEVER been an independent, sovereign state called Palestine. Moreover -- you need to realize that the Arabs who call themselves "Palestinians" have co-opted that identity from the Jews. The Jews are the REAL Palestinians. You can look at the census records dating back as far as the fifteenth century -- The Turks referred to Arabs as "Arab" or "Bedouin." The term "Palestinian" was used exclusively to identify JEWS. So -- spare us. You aren't "Palestinian." That's an identifier which always belonged exclusively to the Jews. You stole it; it does not belong to you. That is why I always refer to you as ersatz "Palestinians."
84. About Fing time indeed!
Sleepyhead ,   World   (07.28.11)
85. Response to#19
John R ,   NYC USA   (07.28.11)
The Feisel Weizmann agreement of 1919 had a caveat is the signature of Emir Feisel. The caveat said the agreement would only take effect if the British complied with their assurances of land transfers to the Emir which include present day Lebanon. Since the British instead gave that land to France, the agreement was never consummated. If it was consummated, per art 5, full political rights are given to the Palestinians. In 1919, about 80% of the population West of the Jordan River was Muslim. Hence you would have no Jewish State if what you say was true. As for the Feisel Weizmann agreement giving up most of present day Jordan it gave up none of what is present day Jordan.
86. #42 Abadalla - I think you said something
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (07.28.11)
however, I don't know what it means, unless you supply some examples of the advertising you're talking about Be a good fellow, post a couple of links Now, since you mentioned "Palestine", how about naming who ruled it, what it's Capital City was, and where can I see some of the coinage, which would affirm that there were a self-ruled entity that went by the name of Palestine?
87. #6 FM Lieberman MUST be replaced?
Elizabeth   (07.28.11)
Why Belgium and for what reason? He is the only one fit and able to run the Israeli Government. Ehud Brack was a washout, accompanied by Olmert and now Bibi has lost it. Let's have a man with cajones, i.e. if you can't find a female with a backbone of steel and an iron fist.
88. The truth hurts
Spencer ,   Israel   (07.28.11)
Of course he Arabs are upset because the truth hurts them. It shows that the "Palestinians" are an invention. There never has been a "Palestinian" nation or country. Facts are facts and Ayalon has done a magnificient job of presenting to the world facts which show just what the true position is,
89. Neither is West Jerusalem Israeli
observer ,   Egypt   (07.28.11)
Golda Meir, famous for peace when they love their kids more than they hate us, said: "There were no such thing as Palestinians". little addendum here, Meir only said this in 1968 when she resided in the West Jerusalem Talbalyya house owned by Palestinian Hanna Bisharate. Golda Meir received the house from the Foreign Ministry which was occupying the house since 1948 after kicking out its owner Palestinians.
90. #51 Marwan - what are you talking about?
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (07.28.11)
You're here, so is Abdalla, both commenting to your hearts (if you had one) content You have a better chance of commenting here than a Jew has on Ma'an Racism, you mean the way Muslim's define all others as Dhimmi's, people of lesser value, to be subservient to Muslim's ?
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