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US church versus Israel
Giulio Meotti
Published: 11.11.11, 13:16
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61. The U.S. Church vs. Israel
Ingrid Keskitalo ,   Chicago, U.S.A.   (11.11.11)
"Replacement Theology" is what the Presbyterians believe in, and that is False Teaching. But, there are many Bible believing Christians who believe the Bible literally in its historical and grammatical context. We stand with Israel and believe the Prophets and what they say about the future of Israel. Shalom and Maranatha! Ingrid Keskitalo
62. Listen Up
Jehovah ,   bkln USA   (11.11.11)
I am annoyed that all here are using my name to embellish their separate points of view.. I am getting annoyed and will soon send my thunderbolts down on all these hypocrites.. be warned..
63. Meotti and Graham
Yona Katz ,   Chicago   (11.11.11)
He is right, Graham began as a presbyterian
64. Nr 59. You Err !!!.
Arn. ,   Sweden.   (11.11.11)
Please get your facts straights before you write !, The Pastoral/Minister system with monthly pay is not in the Bible, it belongs to this Worldorder. The assembly of Christ belongs to the Kingdom of Jesus Christ, which does not belong to this Worldorder. What you belong to is not an Christian assembly, but an asembly called, " Tthe teaching of the Nicolaitians ", From the Greek - NICO - Conquer and LAITY - People, Hence - "To Conquer the People " !, It is an Fake assenbly where only so called Professionals/Pastors/Ministers, handle all the Spiritual Matters, and the Other Members do Nothing. It is an Spiritual Dictatorship, against the Teaching of Jesus, where all Members in His assembly ministers as Priests. But this you have that You support Israel. And Ynets news has not undermined any credibility, as their Error does not affect the Heaten/Goyim, and the Professionals you refer to, know the differense and can easily forbear their lac kof insight in this matter, because they are not Christians. By Pastor !!!. Arn.Sweden.
65. Nr 62.
Arn. ,   Sweden.   (11.11.11)
Lucky You, that you have nothing with HASHEM to do, and You dont stand near HIM, if, you would be the first as the hypocrit you are, to be stricken by HIS Thunderbolt. Arn.Sweden.
66. To: #43 Little Tony from TX
GOOD ,   USA/Israel   (11.11.11)
67. To: #43 Little Tony from TX
GOOD ,   USA/Israel   (11.11.11)
What a pile of bull crap, Khazar Shmazar. Jews around the world had DNA tests and guess what? they are all smites from the general area where Israel is today. Also if you want the Jews to go to "where they came from" why don't you lead the way and go back to where you belong (UK?)because you definitely don't have more right to be in Texas than the Jews have to be in Israel.
68. reply
pm ,   india   (11.11.11)
i'm a pentecostal christian.i 'm aware of the hardships throughwhich the jewish people have been passing since many centuries.we believe firmly that jews have a special blessing and care of almighty.His return also related to the redemption of His chosen ones.i pray for israel.
69. Presbyterians need to fall in line
James ,   USA   (11.12.11)
The Presbyterian Church needs to fall in line like other "righteous" U.S. churches and start demonizing the Palestinians and denying their rights as inhabitants of the land ...that will make the ADL and other Jewish groups happy.
70. Anti-Arab is OK, Anti-Jewish is NOT OK
James ,   USA   (11.12.11)
Presbyterian Church needs to fall in line. Racism and demonization of people is only OK when it is against the Palestinian people--just like all the other Christian Zionist churches do on a daily basis. Jews embrace such churches with open arms.
71. #51 Jake. Nice thought, but it won't happen.
Harry Wright ,   UK   (11.12.11)
72. Ynet, I am pleasantly surprised that you have allowed
Harry Wright ,   UK   (11.12.11)
this kind of discussion. Hats off to you.
73. #30 graczek
Phil ,   Ireland   (11.12.11)
You are in for a shock when you meet your Jewish messiah face to face. Jesus himself said Gentile rule in Jerusalem comes to an end when their time is up.
74. Hatchet Job
Mark of Lewiston ,   USA   (11.12.11)
Meotti has done a nice hatchet job on Presbyterians and the Church. One Congregation and one committee does not make church policy. I attended the same congregation as Reagan when I lives in LA. None of what is alleged was taught or preached from the pulpit. Not a single local Lewiston Presbyterian has heard of any of this stuff. Modern Israel is an absolute non-issue. Fact checking - Presbyterians don't have priests. Condie Rice's dad was a minister, not a priest. There is a difference - too subtle and nuanced (french) to be explained in a talkback. As somebody else already pointed out. Billy Graham is a Baptist who spoke occasionally to a US President, one or two of which may have been Presbyterian. I'm no longer a church member. But this hatchet job ranks with The "Protocols" for accuracy.
75. Never Again isn't ONLY for Jews
Nina ,   NYC   (11.12.11)
The Presbyterian Church is indeed working towards NEVER AGAIN, this time for Palestinians. Did you seriously think Never Again was going to apply only to Jews? Ridiculous. The Church has my full support.
76. 59 Pastor in Israel: That's another Presbyterian error...
Rivkah   (11.12.11)
Scriptures say true believers are PRIESTS, monarchs, and saints. Nowhere does it say leaders of the faith are Pastors or Ministers. They are called Deacons and Bishops Elders and Priests. The congregation of the saved are all Priests with Deacons and Elders and Bishops as leaders.
77. False Christians--Period!!!
Taz Man ,   USA   (11.12.11)
To Israel: Don't worry there are many more true Christians' who love and support God's true Chosen People--Israel! These false, liberal Christians' are a bunch of freakin' nut-jobs! They have no clue what the Holy Scriptures teach and if they did, they wouldn't have fallin' away from the Truth. Just a sign of the end-times. Again, they are a minority, but I do admit, the problem is growing. Just keep strong with the Lord! God bless Israel and His Jerusalem (Muslim free)! A Christian Zionist
78. To: #30 (You are wrong!)
Taz Man ,   USA   (11.12.11)
What you believe is called Replacement Theology (clearly, a false gospel). If I had time and space, I'd give you a proper theological lesson. You seriously need to repent of this sin. I'll be praying for you to come to the Truth! God bless Israel and His Jerusalem (Muslims)! A Christian Zionist
79. #68 pm
solomon ,   bklyn   (11.12.11)
G-d bless you. Peace.
80. Amazed to learn this
Marlene Wilkinson ,   Perth Australia   (11.12.11)
I'm amazed to learn that a "Christian" church is taking this stance. What Bible are they reading? What god are they in touch with? They certainly aren't in touch with the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob - and Jesus!
81. 2 Different Presbyterian Church
Daniel ,   Sterling, MA   (11.12.11)
The Presbyterian Church of America which stands in opposition to the liberal Presbyterian USA church. In addition to standing against modernism and ecumenism, Presbyterian Church of America adheresw to the historic confessional standards of Presbyterianism: the Westminster Confession of Faith, the Westminster Shorter Catechism, and the Westminster Larger Catechism. These secondary documents are viewed as subordinate to the Bible which alone is viewed as the inspired Word of God. The Presbyterian Church of America supports Israel being a Bible believing church as opposed to the modernist liberal Presbyterian Church USA which is an anathema.
82. Nr 81.
Arn. ,   Sweden.   (11.12.11)
A Satanic and a Human One but no Christian one.(Nr 53). You dont need to be a Church or a Chistian To support and love Israel. Even the Jews do that, and they are no Church nor Christians. Arn.Sweden.
83. Israel was never "palestinian"
Rocky ,   Detroit, USA   (11.12.11)
"palestinians" were created by KGB in 1968, after arabs lost to Israel militarilly !
84. Christians against Israel
Ralph Riley ,   Small town, MI   (11.12.11)
On of God's eternal covenants with the Jewish people was with Abraham - and it is set aside by many denominations of the nominal Christian church. They see God as they choose, not as he reveals himself in the Bible. And they earn curses because the curse Israel and the Jews. God will care for Israel and the Jews - and His enemies will show themselves in these actions.
85. This is what the ADL should be focusing on
Bernard Ross ,   st anns bay, jamaica   (11.13.11)
The P church is engaged in blood ibels of the jews. They shuld be thrown out of israel. I wonder how many of their members subscribe to these views.
86. This is mostly only true for PCUSA churches
Ed ,   Philadelphia   (11.13.11)
I was raised in a PCUSA church which I left years ago. I'm ashamed to have ever been a member.
87. #18 steve
solomon ,   bklyn   (11.13.11)
Translation of all your posts: those that criticize Israel, for clear and obvious self-defense against the ersatz Palestinians, are wrong regardless of the real facts.
88. PCUSA is Apostate
Beth ,   Sumner, WA   (11.17.11)
Many, many churches have left the PCUSA denomination, and many more are working to do so now. Our church is one of four leaving within our Presbytery. Know that there are many Presbyterians who love Israel without question- we have simply lost the battle for this denomination and are leaving en masse. PCUSA has lost more than 1/2 of its membership in the past 20 years- there is a reason...
89. the author
merle ,   usa   (12.02.11)
# 's 28,57,58,74 make my talkbalk brief.I was going to say this article paints with a broad brush but # 74's "hatchet job" description suits better.
90. Other way round
Andy Anderson ,   Bremerton, WA, USA   (12.20.11)
Can Judaism recognize that it has been Jews in the courts and government who have been kicking down Christian standards in US culture? What is good for the goose is good for the gander, so they say. I am not surprised that there is a revolt against militant Judaism, which we equate with radical communism. Good will can be reciprocated, but not the constant disdain and disregard for our heritage. Recognize what organized Jewry has done in harm to Christians, and abate that. Both sides have guilt, but only Christians recognize that apparently.
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