Leah Goldsmith - thanks for nothing. Its the fact that you are "covering" my backside that explains why I keep getting hit in the back. Its the occupation.. Abraham ben Jacob... actually an interesting and important point. But I won't let our enemies define right and wrong. One can be pro-Israel and pro-Zionist and anti-occupation of the West Bank. Michael Pielet (58) is the perfect example of what happens to your thought processes when Hizbullah and Hamas set your agenda. Danny (46). Yes. Crack. That's always a good argument. Love your selective history, as if Israel was just some passive actor in the Middle East and that nothing transpired until the evacuation of Gaza/Lebanon. Hello, occupation for 45 years and all that has caused. Duh.

Chaim, at first, I too like, very much, to discuss with you. You are a firm Israeli citizen, and I am a true friend of your State and your people. In fact, no more retreats must be done, while Arab Palestine do not recognize her neighbor and accept redrawed and secure borders. But no country can have true independence without a limited territory. That's the point. Annexing "Judea and Samaria" means to build a mixed, divided and troubled State, like Cyprus before 1974, or Bosnia Herzegovina, till today. It is unfair and impossible to send Arabs, West Bank's dwellers, to the Kingdom of Jordan, against their will. The good Israel's principles don't permit it. Hence, there is no solution, out of "Two States" in Old Palestine's British Mandate, not endangering Israel with Jerusalem as her eternal capital. Think more about it. Salutes.

How did Dor Glick manage to blame only Israel? He ignored the offers of the Eshkol government of July 1967 to return all recently captured land to the Arabs in exchange for peace. He ignored Ehud Barak's 2000 and 2001 offers to transfer some 95% of land, including east Jerusalem, to the PA. He ignored Ehud Olmert's similar offers 2006-08 to the PA. He ignored the 2005 Gaza unilateral withdrawal and the continued and increased rocket fire from there. Why does Glick call on the world to help Israel set borders instead of demanding that the world compel the PA to negotiate without precondition or lose funding. The world must also demand an end to rocket fire or else enforce a perpetual blockade of Gaza.

i prefer - glick glick glick than BOB BOB BOB,, it is softer but who wants my openion

You haven't given any responses. Just reiterated against ALL the historical evidence that just one more pullout and it will all be hugs and kisses. There have been three unilateral pullouts, one negotiated pullout and two places still occupied. The Golan has been absolutely silent since 1973. The West Bank hasn't posed a security threat to Israel since Israel took it back over fully post Defensive Shield. The places were the rockets and mortars and killings are happening on a regular basis are the two places Israel pulled out of. There is a one to one correlation between Israel pulling out and places representing direct security threats to it. Care to explain how exactly pulling out of the West Bank is not going to be a repeat of Lebanon and Gaza? Care to name a single positive thing that came out of those pullouts?

Today, South Africans publicly demonstrated against proposals to label goods from Judea & Samaria https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=168711266595536&set=a.168695389930457.39145.123164364483560&type=1&theater including two political parties leaders and the countries largest religious group - the Shembe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHycyr2Yhlo&feature=channel&list=UL Please ignore our misguided government.

I don't agree with Dor on all points but i definately think we urgently need boundaries. It's basic for any country in the world. Why shouldn't it be a guiding rule for us?! Speaking of our arrogance...If favorable and clever boundaries set by Israel itself we'll at least be able to claim this territory and fight for it. But what do we claim now??? Each one of us as a child was taught by parents and education frames to Plan then Act. But i don't manage to understand what's the plan of our country, what's our vision. The day boundaries will be imposed on us is nearing and i'm sure they are not going to be favorable. Unfortunately, with current mindset we are not going to escape forced boundaries. Our short vision is incomprehensible...