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Millions of Africans see themselves as Jews, researcher says
Rina Bassist
Published: 15.07.12, 07:35
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31. Israel doesn t have to recognize ...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (07.15.12)
groups.But each individual who wants sincerely to become a Jew with no other interest than believing in Judaism,should have the possibility to convert
32. To # 21 :What?Argentina 3rd.world???
Justly angry ,   Israel   (07.15.12)
33. 30 Ishmael s mother was not a Jew
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (07.15.12)
and Esau did not mary a Jewish woman,thus,his descendants are not Jewish. Paqid ,now i believe Charles ,that you are not a Halahic converted Jew.
34. 25 Smart comment Saul.
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (07.15.12)
But if they are circumsized,that s not an enough good proof,that they are Jewish.
35. If this # 24 can be "Jewish," anyone can
Avi   (07.15.12)
What a crazy country we live in.
36. #26 please do answer the same question re: the Russian Jews!
(07.15.12)
because unless you ask the same question about the Russian Jews (most of whom are NOT Jewish) then your comment takes on a strong racist tone!
37. 33 You don't know Halakhah
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (07.15.12)
There are millions of halakhically recognized Jews who have married a non-Jewish woman and are still recognized by the rabbis as Jews. Esau, father of the Edomites and grandfather of Amaleq, by today's standards is a Jew whereas Rut and King David are not. Your irrelevant opinion doesn't change ANY fact.
38. # 31, Ora
Ehud ,   Yehud, Israel   (07.15.12)
But you do not say clearly that they would be welcome in Israel after [ if need be] converting. What shall it be Ora ?
39. The Ingathering of the Exiles
Shira Z ,   J'slm, Israel   (07.15.12)
People around the world are rediscovering their Jewish heritage. If they are halachially Jewish then they should be welcomed back with opened arms. If they are not halachially Jewish / Judaism cannot be proved but want to come back tot he fold, then we must make every effort to help out lost brothers and sisters come home (ie Judaism). Keep in mind that modern Judaism is very different from the original rabbinic Judaism, as Rabbinic Judaism is different than Temple-era, Torah Judaism. Due to oppression and assimilation our people have been subsumed into the larger surrounding culture around the world - why should African Jewery be any different? Why is it so har to believe that Jews could have migrated to Africa from Eretz Yisrael? Is it so much farther away than Russia? Remember that 1) we have failed to repopulate from the Shoa, and 2) Ashkanzim, at least, could benefit from an infusion of fresh blood. If they are willing to live Jewish lives and serve the State I say we could do much worse than integrating them.
40. No more immigrants
Keren IL-BR   (07.15.12)
We don't need immigrants from poor countires. Jews from Canada, USA or Australia is ok... but don't come with Nigeria, Togo, China... Jews or not, it doesn't matter. They will destroy the State...I know it seems hypocrite because I too came from the slums of Rio, but now zeu.. no more immigrants.
41. Welcome, brothers and sisters.
Sarah B. ,   U.S.A./Israel   (07.15.12)
If you are Jews, there is plenty of space for you all in our land and our hearts. Come, help us to settle our land, help us to fullfill our religious aspiration of a land devoted to Judaism and grandeur.
42. Not news. South African Beth Din well aware of this.
rebecca ,   Modiin   (07.15.12)
and have been for many years. the SABD has been in touch with most of these people for many years, and keeps Israel well informed.
43. Note where Weil spoke and on what...
rebecca ,   Modiin   (07.15.12)
At KZN - South African universities are becoming more anti-Israel by the day, and she spoke about the racism towards Ethiopian Jews in Israel, not about what Israel has done for Ethiopian Jews. She's well aware the burden bringing in immigrants of questionable Jewishness has on the state of Israel, and is keen to increase it.
44. 36 Including Russians no less racist, just more xenophobic
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (07.15.12)
45. 38 Ehud Let me say it CLEARLY.
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (07.15.12)
EVERY SINCERE JEW is WELCOME in Israel,as far i am concerned.
46. 37 Paqid , Right, Jews who marry..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (07.15.12)
non-Jewish women are still Halahic Jews,but NOT their children. Thus Edomites are not Jews. Capite?
47. 41 Nicely said,Sara.
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (07.15.12)
48. All Igbos in Nigeria were circumcise on eight day
Prince ,   Niger Delta, Nigeria   (07.15.12)
All Igbos in Nigeria more than 40 million were circumcise on eight day except if they child had a serious medical condition. Igbo ladies find it accursed to marry uncircumcised males
49. There's more to being a Jew than practicing some rituals
Scott ,   Ramat Gan, Israel   (07.15.12)
If these people are Jews, why didn't they come forward 50 years ago? With the internet, everyone can access information. These people discovered Israel is their ticket out of poverty & learned some Jewish rituals & prayers. I'm willing to bet that they only started to pretend to be Jewish recently.
50. Some people in Israel are Insecured in thinking that they are richer than Igbo Jews.
Prince ,   Niger Delta, Nigeria.   (07.15.12)
Igbos (Jews) in Nigeria have poverty rate lesser than what is obtainable in Israel. Our unemployment rate is lesser than 5%, we are industrious, innovative, and generally bear one anothers burden in our communities. We don't set ourselves on fire because of frustration like what happened in Telaviv yesterday. We don't depend on government and it is a taboo to depend on charity in Igboland. We teach our people how to fish rather than giving them fish. We have land mass larger than Israel, full of untapped natural resources as Gold, Crude Oil in abundance, coal and so many precious metals. We went to segregate from Nigeria and them form alliance with Israel our blood brothers. We have already fought a bitter civil war from 1967 to 1970 and that time we declared our sovereignity and called ourselves Republic of Biafra.
51. Caribbean too
Max Schadenfreude ,   Kerguelen   (07.15.12)
The whole Rastafarian movement is at least loosely based on Judaism, so expect predominantly Jamaicans, but a lot of other small islanders to apply.
52. 46 Now that we're on the same page
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (07.15.12)
Consider the racist arguments of blood and DNA, particularly in light of the "mixed multitude" out of Egypt and those who have come to Torah outside of blood and DNA. Blood and DNA arguments prove ALL of my original points AND defy Halakhah. Mevinah?
53. Nothing to worry about really
Jo   (07.15.12)
Such hype and paranoia. Just because someone things them Jewish does not make it so. It makes nothing happen.
54. Promised land of social welfare
Albrecht Klein ,   Germany   (07.15.12)
55. Jews are a Mediterranean/Mid Eastern ethnic group...
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (07.15.12)
..of people that originated in Israel, in the Levant, in the western part of the Middle East, on the eastern shores of the Mediterranean Sea. Jews as a civilization came from Israel and the Middle East originally. After the Assyrians destroyed the northern kingdom of Israel in 722 BCE the 10 tribes of Israel were lost in what we today call Syria and Iraq. After the Babylonian conquest of Judah, Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple of Solomon in 586 BCE, most Jews were exiled into Babylonia, only to be liberated decades later by King Cyrus of Persia and to return to Israel/Judah. Jews have lived in exile since the 6th century BCE due to the Babylonian conquest which resulted in the Babylonian exile. But on a large scale, the Jews were definitely exiled from Israel/Judah in the first and second centuries CE when the Romans conquered our Jewish homeland. Hundreds of thousands of Jewish men, women and children were massacred by Roman soldiers. Out of this, came almost 2000 years of Jewish exile. Jews spread across Egypt, North Africa, the Arabian peninsula, Mesopotamia (today's Iraq), Syria, Minor Asia (today's Turkey), Persia, Greece, the Italian peninsula (Jews have lived in Rome for 2000 years), and the Iberian peninsula. Around 2000 years ago, the Jews were spread across the entire Mediterranean region. When the Romans advanced north into Germania and established Roman colonies like Vindobona (Vienna), Parisium (Paris), Colonia (Cologne/Köln), Jews came along to settle down and to find work and a source of income usually within the trading business. Jews have lived for 1500 years in France and Germany and about 1000 years in Poland, Ukraine or Russia. But Jews preserved themselves as a Mediterranean/Mid Eastern ethnic group of people for centuries in Europe. Judaism is Mid Eastern. The Hebrew language and alphabets are Mid Eastern. Maybe we can find friends and allies among many Africans - God Bless them, but they don't belong to our tribe or ethnic group.
56. We dont see oursalves as jews and not even close to be jews.
mombo   (07.15.12)
We are only labor immigrants from Africa who want to work and live in Israel till it will cease to exist as a Jewish state.
57. 55 Alexander, thank you for..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (07.15.12)
the clear resume of the Jewish people s history. I copy and save it.
58. We don't want them here
BM ,   Bat Yam,Israel   (07.15.12)
There are 130,000 "legitimate" black Jews already inside Israel.Yes,i am talking about the Ethiopian Jews who never even bothered to assimilate into Israeli society.The real lost tribes are the European people,not some third world weirdos.
59. Really not forward thinking
Dave ,   Chicago, Israel   (07.15.12)
Why is this a problem?! If you were to bring in a few million annexing j&s would be easy. You could offer citizenship to the Arabs (few would take it since they would know they could no longer take over via birth rate). The PR would be strong enough taking southern Lebanon and Sinai would be easy and no demographic threat. Plus a very indebted work force which could be used instead of current Arab citizens which would force them to leave. The racism is really just plan dumb.
60. #Prince
andre   (07.15.12)
wanna talk ? annavi@live.fr
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