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Israeli 'occupation' a relic of the past
Asaf Romirowsky
Published: 26.08.12, 20:00
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31. It's masterful how Jews do it!.............
Edithann ,   USA   (08.27.12)
How they want to believe the lies, then pass them on to their children etc, etc, and before anyone remembers it was a lie..they're already celebrating with traditions...... TATA
32. P.S. "Occupation", when translated into Arabic, it means...
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (08.27.12)
...every parcel of land between the Jordan River and the Med. Sea. The call to remove the "occupation", let us not be mistaken, means, in the Arab mind, the demise of the sovereign nation-state of the Jewish people, Israel. To prove it all that one need do is READ the PLO's Charter, the Fatah's Charter, the Hamas Charter. Sadly, some prefer to avoid this simple task and prefer to live in a make believe world.
33. to #2 general statments means nothing
ghostq   (08.27.12)
34. to #9 what did you expect when Israelis
ghostq   (08.27.12)
r being accused on a daily basis, with no legit proof since palis weren't nation before(they r actually arabs), than this is what you get.
35. Ali,you don't live "under",you live THANKS to "occupation"
ab   (08.27.12)
Nobody ,but nobody ,lest of all arabs would pay attention to pals otherwise and billions wouldn't be flowing to you-and to Swiss banks from you. No wonder you're unwilling to admit you're not occupied.
36. NOT occupation
Jacob Erickson ,   Holon, Israel   (08.27.12)
A strong military presence does not make it an occupation. The west bank was captured FROM JORDAN, not the Palestinians. It was only occupied between 1967 and 1974 when Jordan relinquished control. Now it is disputed but under full control by the state of Israel. Some of the population don't like being under the control of the Jewish people even though they were non-violent against the Jordanians, the British, the Ottomans and every other previous governor of the land. The future of the Palestinians is in their own hands. They need to develop what they have peacefully because you can't use force to negotiate with the IDF. You will lose. It's that simple.
37. Accurate article
Shalom Freedman ,   Jerusalem Israel   (08.27.12)
This article points to the reality on the ground. The Palestinian Arabs would rather blame and hate Israel than take responsibility for improving their situation. For them 'improvement' means one thing only- our destruction. The 'occupation' theme is their great propaganda tool and sympathy winner. And they use it with the hope of through it achieving our destruction.
38. #8
TonyL ,   Bay Aerea, CA   (08.27.12)
It is about CONTROL. For Israel ii is all about the control of its security and its existantial threat. In a process, inadvertently infringing on some of the Palestinian self control. Had moderate Islam risen against the radical Islam and assured Israel of its security regardless if Palestiniians had its full control, than they would have had the full control a long time ago. Until than, any Palestinian full control, in the process jeopardising Israeli security anywhere and anyhow, will be immediately used to hurt Israel as painful as possible to the full extend as possible. The part of radical Islam behavior after obtaining full control and the immediate boomerang effort to destroy Israel in every which way and every level possible, is what completely absent and fully ignored in the far left vocabulary around the globe. Because it is morally impossible to advocate for the Palestinian full control and aknowledge its very realistic intent and result at the same time.
39. Laughable article......
Ken   (08.27.12)
....which is totally devoid of any reality. The simple fact that Israeli High Court has ruled the West Bank is under "belligerent occupation" by the Israeli army and no amount of zionist window-dressing will change that fact. Don't like the fact that Israel is the occupier? Then get the hell out of Palestinian land, it is that simple
40. Balfour Corruption worst Post-W.W.2 Crime of all.
BUTSeriously ,   Sydney   (08.27.12)
After creating 22 fictitious Islamic states which never existed 100 years ago, in secret with none voting at the UN [as was done with Israel], Britain saw fit to carve off 80% of the tiny land of Palestine, allocated for one only Jewish state in the Balfour Mandate. Not satisfied by its genocidal deed, Britain again fosters another state in what was left in the 20%, shamelessly calling it a 2-state again, and transferring the name Palestinian on those panting for Israel's demise. Why is Britain not made subject to a Nuremberg II Trial? Why is Britainstan happening?
41. Pull IDF
Mark ben Josef ,   USA   (08.27.12)
Pull all the IDF troops and disarm the settlers. Stop bulldozing homes of non-Jews. Dismantle military courts. Extend the vote to Palestinians. That is what no occupation looks like.
42. talkbacks are hilarious, like #8
ndav ,   tlv   (08.27.12)
they just show how ignorant people are of what actually happens here, like #8's comments. Actually, Israel is in control of what goes in and out of its borders- YES, that is correct- as ALL soverieng countries are in control of their borders. Israel is NOT in control of the border between Gaza and Egypt! Egypt controls that border together with Hamas! People should KNOW their facts before posting none sense!
43. #21 Legitimate borders?
Raphael ,   Netanya   (08.27.12)
The Sykes Picot borders of 1921 are now recognized as a plague in Syria: they gave Golan to the french colonial power, and later, split Transjordan from Palestine. As for the 1964 "borders", the green line is a mere ceasefire line defined during the 1949 Rhodes agreement, and the arab negotiators insisted that it should not be an internationally recognized boundary, expecting a quick revenge upon the jewish state run by rebel dhimmis.
44. Occupation of which country/state?
Avraham ,   Jerusalem   (08.27.12)
There is no existing state or country named Palestine that was occupied by the State of Israel. Or, Arabs mean by that the British Palestine, including Jordan and, of course, each and every centimeter of the nowdays Israel? Why, on earth, should we at all call Arabs living in this regions "Palestinians", the name they loathed so much during the British mandate? This would be the best answer to their so much loved expression "occupation"!
45. talkback
joe ,   earth   (08.27.12)
Just to reinforce what already said here above that this talkback shows the average way of thinking and so also shows that the main obstacles to the peace are lack of brain and/or hypocrisy. First, Israel has been the land of Jews for thousands of years so no occupation at all and, second, the two different values to judge fatalities on a declared war; not to go over the fact that the same or worst situation is different countries, either in Europe or Middle East are simply and conveniently ignored. I invite everyone to visit Israel's hospitals, public offices, banks, etc, to see the real world the Arabs living in Israel face every day.
46. (30) mr. TATA
tiki ,   belgium   (08.27.12)
Don't exclaim, but explain! It's not the Israeli ""occupation, but the Arab occupation! Judea/Samariah were Jewish lands since ancient history and it will stay Jewish land in the future. The last thing Israel wants is feeding some Arab occupants & occupyers of these lands, who's only profession is complaining.
47. Always the same truly tired s*** Israeli-Pali squabbling
Cameron ,   USA   (08.27.12)
Like a ME merry-go-round that never comes to a halt. Endless. Eternal. May the sea rise up one day & wash both of you selfish & and irrational Arab and Israeli knuckleheads away.
48. to #39 high court got no legal stance
ghostq   (08.27.12)
they do not create the laws hence it was temporary verdict, and some land owned by jews is on the west bank. what you r going to say to jews land lords in the west bank. btw palis got their own leadership.
49. #3
Troy   (08.27.12)
The Israelis/Jews are The Natives..
50. #21 - what legitimate borders?
William ,   Israel   (08.27.12)
The 1949 Armistice Agreement clearly states that the line (called the 1967 lines) are NOT to be used as a border nor as a basis for negotiations of one. That was language the Arabs demanded be put in. Today, Arabs and lemmings like you demand them as borders. As for Israel, they never declared it as a border, ever. However, the 1949 Armistice Agreement is legally binding and cannot be rescinded unless Israel and ALL Arab signatories agree to such, which means the Arabs must end all state of war against Israel, which is the basis for the cease fire. On a note of intl definition of "occupied land", it only covers land which was held by another sovereign nation, not land that is disputed, especially Judea and Samaria which was illegally annexed and ethnically cleansed by Jordan in 1949.
51. #23 - it's neither, based on the very definition of each
William ,   Israel   (08.27.12)
It's not occupation because the land was initially within the context of Israel's own bequeath land, through Intl agreement, but stolen and populated with foreign Arabs in 1949, which is a war crime. It's not "Apartheid" either because 1) "Palestinians" are NOT Israeli citizens, and 2) it's the "Palestinians" and no other group who are the source of the regions terrorism. Because the population largely supports such terrorism and is homogeneous, no specific ethnicity nor religious affiliation is targeted. This is further proven by the equality Israeli Arabs have inside Israel, and the peace Israel has with two Arab Muslim nations - Egypt and Jordan. No degree of twisted facts for your own agenda will change it. By the way - when did the "Palestinians" - originally 250,000 in 1947 become 11 million in 2012?
52. #4 - the rest of the world isn't blind
William ,   Israel   (08.27.12)
They've seen many Israeli offers for peace and Statehood to the "Palestinians", which were the same as to Egypt and Jordan, but were responded to with terrorism. They've witnessed the horrific bus bombings, the rockets on civilian targets, and the calls for Israel's destruction, while parties were held in the streets by "Palestinians" when Israeli civilians were killed. Not just the US witnessed the cheers and dancing by Pallys on 9/11, I assure you. The world also witnessed the 1949 ethnic cleansing of Jews from their homes, the same homes "Palestinians" who never own the property claim as their "ancestral homeland:". And finally, all world leaders have witnessed the calls from the PA for their own State via the UN but who refuse to accept a final end to the war with a 2-State deal, which world leaders are demanding. And of course, Hamas' call to wipe Israel off the face of the planet. You might ignore these very real facts, but those in power - the one's who really matter - do not.
53. #4 Scholars
ltrail ,   United States   (08.27.12)
The "Pity Me Movement" of so-called palestinians just can't get over the fact that the Owner (the Jews) have returned home to Eretz Y'srael. If any one should be called "occupiers" it would have to be the so-called palestinians. Turn the page and go on with life. The world's peoples agree with the author/scholar; not the "Woe is me" crowd.
54. I hope when Dalit BauM asks the question "Who benefits"
William ,   Israel   (08.27.12)
that she includes the gross number of corrupt "Palestinians" and terrorists who all owe their paychecks and power from the so-called "Israeli occupation". Once a peaceful 2-State solution is enacted, Hizbullah, Hamas, IJ, PRC, Al-Aqsa, PFLP, and the entire PA/PLO leadership - even the anti-Israel Arab Knesset members like Tibi and Zoabi - will cease to have a reason to exist. Neither the terrorists themselves nor the PA are willing to let that happen.
55. #2 - and as an Israeli....
William ,   Israel   (08.27.12)
Many of us unfortunately feel the violence and racist terrorism everyday thanks to your population.
56. #3 - so now Hamas is working for Israel?
William ,   Israel   (08.27.12)
I can say one thing on your behalf, Steve - you sure know how to nimbly twist your own story around in response to new facts in order to feed your agenda. You would make Stalin and Gobbels proud.
57. #8 - it's a matter of legality
William ,   Israel   (08.27.12)
Israel does not really control what goes into and out of Gaza, but definitely tries to keep a hold on weapons smuggling which are used to target Israeli civilians. Under ALL Intl laws and conventions, Israel is justified to do so - especially after Hamas declared war on Israel in 2007 and this state of war continues to exist. Arafat also signed the Oslo Accords which gives Israel control of land, sea, and air borders as well as collecting taxes which it sends to the PA. What you fail to admit is that "Palestinians" DO have control of their own destiny. They continue to choose violence and war crimes, and they reap the results. What you want is for them to be allowed to continue these crimes while receiving world benefits. Such an act is against Intl Law, John.
58. #9 observer, you need clean eyeglasses
BEN JABO (MACHAL) ,   ISRAEL   (08.27.12)
Would you care for my Mispar Tzvai, which starts with a Tzadee?
59. #41 Mark BJ
BEN JABO (MACHAL) ,   ISRAEL   (08.27.12)
What Palestinian's ?? Prof. Philip Hitti, testified against partition before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, he said: "There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in history, absolutely not." In fact, Palestine is never explicitly mentioned in the Koran, rather it is called "the holy land" (al-Arad al-Muqaddash). Prior to partition, Palestinian Arabs did not view themselves as having a separate identity. When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was adopted: You can't rely on the accounts for history in most Arab nations, because they never accurately teach it, and have this amazing habit of reinventing it on the spot. This whole notion of there being a Palestine is a recent invention - 1967 to be exact. The homeland of the so-called Palestinians is not Israel. The historical homelands of these nomadic Arabs (Ottomans and Turks) are Jordan, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia, and approximately 80% of the Jordanian population is made up of Palestinians. They were exiled from these nations, and others, because they were always trouble makers and no one wanted them. To this day Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and other nations finance Arafat and his terrorists in order to keep them out of their countries. "From the end of the Jewish state in antiquity to the beginning of British rule, the area now designated by the name Palestine was not a country and had no frontiers, only administrative boundaries . . . . " -- Professor Bernard Lewis, Commentary Magazine, January 1975.
60. #47 Cameron
BEN JABO (MACHAL) ,   ISRAEL   (08.27.12)
Who forced you to get on the Merry-Go-Round May the sea rise and wash all of your American's that stole the land of the American Indian's from under them
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