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Ghosts of the past
Daniel Schatz, Ruth Deech
Published: 27.08.12, 18:16
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61. #57 Alexander
(08.29.12)
You mixed me up, I (#30/48) am not Justine (just in case she cares).
62. to Alexander
Justine   (08.29.12)
"Poles hate Jews because we are Jews." That's a cliche that misses an important point. Anti-Semites have "reasons". "Jews collaborated with the Soviets, Jews control our politics, Jews hate us and wish us wrong" (as you actually do). Whatever. The point is, anti-Semites firmly believe they have reasons to hate Jews. In fact all people hating other people believe they have good grounds for their hatred. So maybe you should take a moment and reflect on whether your sentiments are justified. Because right now you are saying that you wish for destruction of a country that - when it was strong and independent - gave shelter to the largest Jewish community in the world and allowed it to flourish long enough to retain its identity.
63. Justine 62 . Poland was NOT independent
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.29.12)
before 1918 . There was a "numerus clausus" at the Warsaw Univ , before 1939 , before Poland was invaded by nazi germany . There was antisemitism , but to hate Poland as Alexander does ....nothing for me
64. Alexander
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.29.12)
Seen your hate towards the Polish people , how is this hate towards the Germans who were the guylty # 1for the Shoa ? They must certainly ALL perish for you . or not ? Let me remind you that the nazis also murdered a 3 million Poles , that the Poles were just above the Jews on their lists of "unhumans" Don't forget that there are more than 6000 Polish Righteous amongst the Nations , that certainly many more risked their lives , and this of their family , to hide Jews . Did you hear about Zofia Kossak-Szczucka ,a devout Catholic who wrote : Our feeling toward the Jews has not changed . We continue to deem them political , economic and ideological enemies of Poland" . An antisemite , who opposed the murder of Jews and founded Zegota , a Polish underground organisation in nazi occupied Poland that helped the Jews Nobody will claim that there were no polish murderers too , maybe many , but not all the Poles were murderers .
65. Justine , a big mistake from me
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.29.12)
Poland was a kingdom till de end of the 18th century . Polish kings allowed Jews to enter the country , in many cases protected them . But there were problems too for us , pogroms occured also .
66. Polish kings allowed Jews to enter the country
split ,   US   (08.29.12)
Enter doesn't mean settle and stay - Just one prince Henry the Pious allowed the Jews (a few hundred at that time) to stay on 'his' soil and protected them by law enumerated in an edict. The kings over the centuries just tolerated them despite growing in numbers. The lion share of Jews in Poland were illegal squatters dumped there by Russia, Prussia and Austro-Hungary during partition and lost their status given by an occupiers after Poland gained an independence.
67. 44 - from loyal and law abiding Jewish citizens
split ,   US   (08.29.12)
They were as loyal and law abiding as those in Mea Shearim today in Jerusalem and contributed as much to society if not less ,... There were over 3.3 million of them in Poland, over 70 % couldn't communicate in native language and over 90% write a sentence. They welcomed every enemy that showed up at Polish borders and tried to enrich themselves at the native's expense ,...
68. stolen properties in Poland
Michelle Wayne ,   Sydney   (08.30.12)
First of all what's Israel/Palestinian Arabs have to do with this situation in Poland??this excuse is lame just as excuse that Jews brought communism to Poland just anther anti-Semitic lie accusing Jews that they changed they names to Polish and brought communism LOL really?as for compensation, the Polish government of today have sold properties that don't belong to them to new owners and kept the money, communists have rented this properties as no one had the right to own anything during that era .The Nazis lost the war remember? and they are not in Poland any more, while the catholic Church in Poland is grabbing what ever they can land and properties with out any documentation there is no protest from Polish government who is willing to give it to them for nothing but not to the rightful owners, why?As for Palestinian Arabs when will they give back the properties they stole from the murdered by them Jews in colony of Palestine over the centuries?it weren't there's in the first place.
69. Educate yourselves
SKM ,   USA   (09.01.12)
... before you open your mouths. Poland was a VICTIM as much as any other victim. After the war, Poland was not Poland, it belonged to the Soviets. To the jews commenting on how Poland owes them -- Hitler hated your people. If a gentile dies on property you used to own, should you and the whole jewish community be blamed for it? Reeducate yourselves.
70. To nr 69 - I suggest you educate yourself
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (09.02.12)
"... before you open your mouths. " Technically speaking we are not opening our mouths since we are writing talkbacks. But democracy and freedom of speech must be allowed - especially when pointing out facts. "Poland was a VICTIM as much as any other victim." Partially yes and partially no. Poles were victims of Germany and Russia. Jews were victims of Germans, Russians AND Poles. Many Poles slaughtered and massacred Jews during WW2. Does that make Poles "victims"? Poles moved into Jewish property after Germans expelled Jews from privately owned Jewish property. I guess Poles invading Jewish property makes Poles "victims"? Yes, since Poles massacred Jews during WW2 and nationalized and confiscated our property during the Cold War, which was AFTER WW2, it means the Poles owe us.
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