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An endless war
Eitan Haber
Published: 15.11.12, 11:25
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61. Scary to see the eagerness for war, hate and genocide
Harmen ,   Leiden, Netherlands   (11.15.12)
I have long followed the news on Israel and the Palestinians and hoped for a fair solution in this conflict. However, I no longer hope or stay up to date on it all. Too many commenters on this site show a scary eagerness for war, for murder, for hate, for ethnic cleansing and sometimes even for genocide. I am certain the same feelings also reign on the other side. This conflict began many decades ago. Almost no one can remember exactly what happened, but both sides are certain that the other side is to blame. This conflict will go on and on, with ever more blood and hatred on both sides. Maybe one of the two sides will manage to finally "crush" the other, but I doubt it. Human beings can be incredibly stubborn and resilient in the face of adversity and hatred. The Jews have proven so, as have the Palestinians. I wish you all the best of luck in these dark times, and I hope that those who now hate, and wish the destruction of the other side, whether they are Jewish or Palestinian, may find peace in their hearts one day, and the ability to understand and respect the other side. Shalom, as you would say.
62. to54
sona ,   gaza   (11.16.12)
if the god of israil destroys the god of gazans .israil would be the winner ....stupid post so look for another away of your god
63. to 41
sona   (11.16.12)
Haber see it is right to kill palastinians but it will not be thesolve of the problem iam sad to tell---- many palastinians trust the killing of israili is the only solve of the problem but know killing is not the right one . but when they reach that killing is the right one ..where they would be to escape ????
64. to 60
sona   (11.16.12)
america did not give you the axe with the green light ?????
65. to61
asma ,   tulin   (11.16.12)
thank you to see and hope
66. The current conflict
Peter ,   Australia   (11.16.12)
Great comments. Everyone is responsible for their own behaviour and others on this planet. What about the possibility of War Crime Prosecution? No country, no group and no-one can be immune from that, and Israel well knows this.
67. #61 Killing terrorists is not genocide
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (11.16.12)
Hamas loudly proclaims that they intend to commit genocide on us. So preventing that is not genocide, nor are we eager for war - over 15,000 rockets means we have been extremely patient, now is the time to put an end to their war crimes. Ethnic cleansing? That is truly funny coming from your country that supports the ethnic cleansing of us and the Arabs loudly state that they are going to do that to us. This comes despite the fact it is OUR land and they are the occupiers. So you don't like the fact that we are sick and tired of the war crimes the Arabs have already committed and we express it - too fucking bad. Yes we are growing our hatred of Arabs and their war crimes.
68. Gaza a war of words with teeth
Rogerlen ,   love of Israel   (11.16.12)
words is all they give us. please stop shelling us, killing our operatives and we will stop sending rockets to you... ) never even lasts 1- 24 hour period. and then they blame others.OH it was not hamas.. SOOO? hamas controls the gaza strip. no one else. they monitor all people and goods movements and the movenemnts of other terror groups. we need a leafelet campaign warning the residents and hamas leadership of gaza we are coming with tanks, bulldozers, helecoptors, planes and troops for operation clean sweep, we need to make a buffer zone 1st equivelent to what we gave Gazans in the first place. and if that does not stop the terror, widen and deepen the buffer zone, and continue it till the terror either stops or all of gaza is a buffer zone and no one allowed to live there. then place useless UN troops to monitor the area to meke the world feel good and if Fatah or anyone else begins a terror campaign drop the leafelets again and say see wha twe did in Gaza, continus and the same will happen here. accept peace and live in harmony, or accept terror and live in the aftermath of our response.
69. to # 3 and others like that
rogerlen ,   love of Israel   (11.16.12)
IF that were ever to come from Gaza, there woud lbe no Gaza left as we would destroy all of Gaza, not with chemicals, but with all our lethal not chemical weapons. civilians and all. you get what you vote for, and since the people of Gaza voted for Hamas they should benefit from their vote both ways. and if death comes to their door, it was not because of our aggression but because of our response to the terror aggression against us. WE do not attack gaza, we respond, and now we are on the aggressive defensive position. and as we formulate a plan you had better leave Gaza, because we are coming. ( oh, I forgot you cannot leave because your rulers need your bodies dead and alive for the news campaign us. ( which sadly IS working to your favor for those blind and dumb enough to believe it.
70. spy guy
rogerlen ,   love of isarel   (11.16.12)
obviously you do not understand, we have negotiated, and they break it. every time. we want peace, but this is getting rediculous. OH and the would world will not come to fight against ISrael if it did it would be a nuke war unlike the world has ever seen. no the Arabs wont attack, they know we will win, Syria is already in trouble, murdering hundreds of thousands of its own people, Lebanon might try and start something, but that would be swiftly stopped as we would shell the daylights out of them, and the same of egypt. Hamas is in this alone for now. and as THEY ARE THE AGRESSOR all we are doing is responding to terror. which every nation does. and we are no different they only difference is our leaders have been way too soft on our responses, we should have hit them so hard in the begining that they would think twice of committing terror against us again.. but we accept a certain level of rockets to reach our state and not retaiate. - the OH, no harm done, I wont do respond scenario... that we need to stop. any ANY aggression against the state of Israel MUST BE MET with a STIFF harsh response.. not these playing around politics stuff. and being the Athiest you are you have no Idea that our GOD IS REAL and IS ALIVE.. not some mythical being; you probably also believe in evolution..
71. Canada
rogerlen ,   love of Israel   (11.16.12)
Probable the only and best friend of Israel I know of.. even better than the USA.. now if canada would just place its embassy in Jerusalem that would be a statement. but still thank you for your support. it really does mean a lot.. and especially that the USA is keeping in that marxust/Muslim as a president really shows the depravation and ignorance of the Democratic party... and so many American Jews voted for Obama is is shameful. they did not care about his policies on Israel all they stated they looked at was his policies on social issues.... amazing.. too bad they call themselves Jews..
72. An Endless War
Alan West ,   Toronto, Ontario   (11.16.12)
Here's what Professor James Lorimer (1818-1890), Regius Professor of Public Law, Edinburgh University had to say (in 1884!) in his important legal text, The Institutes of the Law of Nations. Tell us if you can, what has changed since then: "So long as Islam endures the reconciliation of its adherents, even with Jews and Christians and still more with the rest of mankind, must continue to be an insoluable problem...For an indefinite future, however reluctantly, we must confine our political recognition to the proponents of those religions...which preach the doctrine of "live and let live"." Answer: Nothing has changed. Not one iota. Islam has not reformed, is incapable of reformation and will not reform. It will never preach the doctrine of "live and let live". Therefore, we should not recognize it, its supposed grievances, or its adherents. We should oppose it and all that it stands for. We should never extend political recognition to it or any of its manifestations--and most importantly--we should oppose, by force, when necessary--and, sadly, force will often be necessary--its every advance, its every encroachment. Persons who share Haber's beliefs are hopeless fools.
73. You only find a solution if the other side wants one too
Vlad   (11.16.12)
As it stands, the only thing Hamas understands is force. The only solution to them is the death of the last Jew. After Cast Lead, there was a tremendous period of calm. Evidently, they forgot the punishment and feel free to play these games again. As long as they don't want a solution, the only thing to do is smack them when they get uppity.
74. The best to hope for
Yohay de Valetta ,   Valetta, Malta   (11.16.12)
would be a long term cease-fire, but in the Arab world, such a thing is seen as weekness and the other party (usually Israel must be attacked.)disturbing anyone's businessLive and let live should be the motto of the ME
75. RE # 14
Rica ,   Florida/Israel   (11.16.12)
It sound like you forget the most important thing and it is....Israel HAS THE GREATEST PAST, PRESENT AND FEUTER DEFENSE MILITARY AND THAT IS...THE ALMIGHTY GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISSAC AND JACOB, WITH THEM AND FOR THEM. There for my friend, be still and watch the RIGHT HAND of the ALMIGHTY, leading my beloved Israel.
76. War between the Good and the Bad -
Arn. ,   Sweden.   (11.16.12)
- will only end after a defeat of One of them !. If you are not convinced thet you are on the Good Side, You will be a Looser in your thoughts as this Eitan Haber. And the First loss is always in your mind. The endless War will be just that, if the Good side who always win, give in to peace before the Bad side is defeated and totalt Crushed. Hopefully there will be no more Halfmeasuries in this Regard. Arn.Sweden
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your expectation is not high but your demands are so high .. demands from the gazans to leave the west t o helpthe world to support the god to desro ye
78. Bibi could turn out to be the biggest looser
Zionist forever   (11.16.12)
We have had hundreds of rockets fired in a short period of time and they hav even reached as fr as Tel Aviv. Even if this operation goes like clockwork the left can come out and say to avoid the need for another military operation we need to restart peace talks. It's going to be hard for Bibi to come out say tats his plan when h is talking tough to Abbas because of his plan to the UN, Liberman saying Abbas is irrelivent and some MKS calling to annex Judea and Samaria. Shelly Y will make peace making a big part of her campaign and Yair Lapid Is going to try attract as many Likud voters as possible by saying I will be tough when needed but I will also make peace. Before now it looked like Bibi might win the election and pece process would remin a minor issue except amongst the left now it's probably going to become an election issue rather than ones Bibi is strong on.
79. #78. Defending Israel is not an election issue.
Chaim ,   Israel   (11.16.12)
#78. Israel is going to war to stop bloodthirsty "Palestinian" terrorists from using our civilians for target practice. Defending Israel is not an election issue. If a single rocket landed on any American city or town, America's response would be far more severe. Israel must respond similarly.
80. Total Israeli victory is the ONLY solution.
Chaim ,   Israel   (11.16.12)
"There is no military solution" is a mindless mantra even by the standards of the mindless left. Total Israeli victory is the only solution. Just as total victory of the WW II Allies, over the Nazis, was the only solution.
81. Nr 78.
Arn. ,   Sweden.   (11.16.12)
The most importent issue is Israels safety, not the Israeli PMs Reelection. If the Israeli PM cant sacrifise His Reelection for the safety of Israel, He should not be Reelected in the first place. Arn.sweden.
82. Illogical, circular argument
Sandy   (11.16.12)
"There will be peace when there will be peace... Until then, there will be war." Haber, you're a genius...
83. Gaza Operation
Gabe   (11.17.12)
Some situations cannot be thoroughly resolved but only managed such that they generate least harm to us. The operation in Gaza is such an example. We will probably be unable to eliminate Hamas, only weaken it. However, this buys us time and holds out the hope that eventually rational people will find their way to Palestinian leadership and meaningful dialogue can ensue.
84. Solve the problem of rockets
Anadelfos ,   Athens Greece   (11.17.12)
All these years we watched endless rockets and missiles landing in Israel .There was no decisive reaction, so the other side thought this practice could continue without any consequenses for ever.Finally you took the decision to solve the problem, so try to do it once and for good.You may enter Gaza trying to cause as less casualties as possible and deport all those fanatics who are unable to understand the value of life and the importance of coexistence.Push them to go to Egypt through Rafa crossing and never allow them to return. It is more than sure that you will face much criticism for this decision.However not even one among those who complain, would like to live with a Grad aiming his home, as too many Israelis did. We are fed up with all this islamist hatred against non believers.
85. The war with Gaza is NOT endless. Zephaniah the Prophet in
Rivkah   (11.17.12)
Scriptures tells us every Philistine (Palestinian) in Gaza will die in a latter days prophecy. That is when it will end and Gaza will become a sheepfold and pasture since whatever is coming is going to obliterate the buildings. Has anyone THANKED Ariel Sharon for getting the Jews out of Gaza before that certain destruction comes? Noooo. He saved all those lives and no one thanks him. They think their possessions were more important than their lives.
86. Balance&peace ONLY via SECURE BIG ISRAEL and Arab TRANSFER.
Jerry ,   The Netherlands   (11.18.12)
87. Gaza
jayemmay ,   Detroit, Michigan   (11.18.12)
I agree that allowing rocket attacks for months on end only encourages more of the same. Thousands of rockets have been fired on Israel. Where do they come from? I do not beleive Gaza has a manufacturing industry for rockets. Hence, they are suggled into the country. The purpose of a military incursion into Gaza ought to have the objective of seizing a corridor about 400 meters wide along the border with Egypt. The purpose is to eliminate the tunnels and to prevent suggling into Gaza.
88. Relocate to Monsey,New York or Canada
Noah Lev ,   LosAngeles   (11.19.12)
Dumb article. So, what else is new? After 5 years of fighting, WW2 ended with 2 atomic bombs. Japan had 90m people ready to commit suicide if invaded. Germany made big mistakes, (not taking out England, and not pulling WaffenSS Divisions south to Normandy, etc.) Russia got off easy, caus Japan concentrated on China, vs aiding the Reich's invasion of Russia. Killing 6m Jews also denied them labor and the A bomb. But the US demanded an unconditional surrender, and got it. Israel, is a small country with smaller pop.(size of New Jersey) LA County has 10 m people, 1100 square miles. It has 500 nukes, but cannot use them in these mini-wars. There will never be peace there..(see Arab Spring). Agreements are meaningless, just tactics. As Bibi says, its a rough region, and not the Netherlands. Live with it, or start to dismantle the country..move assets, and relocate to Monsey, NY.They have the room and yeshivas, waiting. But New York may not agree.
89. 100 For Each Rocket
Noah Lev ,   LosAngeles   (11.19.12)
To Jerry: Bibi said, "Israel is not inthe Netherlands" True. Abbas Eban said, there will always be violence in thearea. (Just look around). Prominent leaders are hung or disgraced by their own people. Some wanted peace with Assad's father. who murdered 25,000 Sunnis.Now his legacy is killing tens of thousands of Sunnis, to preserve his kingdom. The Arab League doesnothing, the UN is impotent. The US talks.Israel watches. The world of pre WW2, is rising again., different actors with differing goals. The Caliphate and Shria are now NWO and Mein Kampf. Some of the rhetoric is thesame, with different adjectives Hitler said, I am Jesus. Arafat said, Jesus was a Palestinian, decendent from Abraham. Muslims never mention Abes other son., just as their womenfolk wear burkas to hide their gender.Denials all theway around, a dysfuntional,pathetic people. W/O oil then what? An Egyptianmakes a small movie trailer, mocking Muhammad, andthe world goes bananas, while shouts of Jihad, bomb Tel Aviv, we will destroy the zionists, have nary a criticism. Yet we blast the trailer? 600 rockets fall on Israel, and Muslims are joyful...shouts of Jihad heard all over. Some say, its an unfair fight, Israel has the guns. (Iran has 10 soldiers, Egyptand Syria 2m, Egypt has 300 F16s. Syria has WMD on its Scuds. All back the Pales with arms, money and moral support. Yes, the fight is unfair, with the Muslim worlds 1.4b vs 6m Jews. (1.4m children). The ans: Israel part of NATOs umbrella. The 6th Fleet joined with Israels navy. 3 marine deivisions on Israeli soil. 500,000 former Israelis moving back. 500,.000 Jews more in the IDF.If a Scud or Grad hits TelAviv or Jerusalem, fire 100 Popeyes or Jerichos into Ramallah or GazaCity for starters. That will send a message, dont tread onme, and mean it. to Israel: now is your time.
90. Sharia and the Caliphate Must go
Noah Lev ,   LosAngelesUSA   (11.19.12)
Outrageous op-ed. Prior to WW2, many Jews said, it is a passing moment in German history.Hitler is an aberration..the German People are too smart to be duped. 12yrs later, 70m dead (6.6m Jews-1.4m Jewish children), the war ended. Hitlers mistake: didnt bomb at Dunkird, invade Southern England, move 2 WaffenSS divisions southto NZormandy, stop the production of atomic bombs, kill or cause Jewish physicists to leave the Reich, have Japan invade Russia from the south, allow Japan to attack at Pearl Harbor, unleashing the sleeping tiger, etc. Hitler had the war machine, far greater than US. He had the 88s..and soldiers multi faceted and disciplined. He stopped hisinvasion ofRussia toosoon.Israel making similarmistakes..see Cast Irons debacle and withdrawal of IDFers from Gaza. Now, Egypt under Morsi is threatening tanks in the Sinai. Carter lost Iran and Clinton lost Turkey. Syria is problematic.. Assad vs the MB, which poison?Jordan is waffling..Pales vs MB vs native Jordanians (not Western Palestine). Re: Hamas, to Israel, destroy them totally, Force a surrender with teeth. Relocate troublemakeers elsewhere. Divid theStrip into parcels...bring in Fatah if warranted to rule. Bring down the Golan Brigade to administer for 1 year. Round up the ring leaders and their stooges. Prosecute for war crimes and crimes against their own people. Use Capital punishment. Institute a partial marshal law in Israel todeal with protestors, Arab and Jewish. Or, as the author said, wars will go on indefinitely. Re: Hez, divide the countryat the Litani...bring in the IDF and Lebanese army....squeeze in between. Jews and Christians must unite against Islamic fascism and the Caliphate..and sharia Law.
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