The spring that wasn’t
Riccardo Dugulin
Published: 03.12.12, 18:01
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1. Did it ever occur to you ...
Human Being ,   Berkeley, CA   (12.03.12)
That the "personal pursuit of happiness and individual freedoms of single [sic] Palestinians" is directly prevented by a host of violations of international law perpetrated by the State of Israel? With seven million refugees, and Palestinians confined to Bantustans in their own homeland, what hope is there? And, G-d forbid, people in the Middle East act in their OWN interest and not that of the "West".
2. What a load of apologist drivel
Michael Steiner ,   Bahrain   (12.03.12)
If the world worked on this cockamamie "principle" of "I'll keep beating the bejesus out of you and humiliating you until you stop hating me," no conflict would EVER finish. I've got news for you: Despite appearances, the overwhelming majority of the half-billion-plus Arabs don't really care about Israel or the Palestinians, and I say this as someone who's lived in a dozen different Arab states. This kind of rhetoric is nothing but erecting an obstacle to give Israel an excuse to behave unaccountably and dishonorably under the pretext of "they hate us; we have no partner for peace." Sorry to have to break it to you, but fewer and fewer people are buying it; and that includes those of us who are not all that fond of Arabs (to put it nicely).
3. The hate is not causeless
Jarda ,   Czech Republic   (12.03.12)
It has a very good reason. Why shouldn't they hate people, who expelled them from their own land.
4. the writer has it all wrong
tiki ,   belgium   (12.03.12)
All the above, the blind Muslim/Arab hate, Arab dictatorships (old/new) & Europe's stupidity are not a danger to world peace......3000 apartments & one highway next to Jerusalem are! The world can thank that there is still ONE normal LEADER walking around on the planet and his name is Benjamin Netanyahu. All the rest are dictators or spineless wimps!
5. The Arab Spring Is.....
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (12.03.12)
embedded in the Arab mattress......which is under the Arab sheets which, in turn, is beneath the Arab blanket.......
6. And did it ever occur to you # 1 that.....
Eaglebeak ,   Left Coast, USA   (12.03.12)
the ersatz Palestinians idea of the pursuit of happiness is to kill all Jews? What Muslim country gives their people individual freedom? What Muslim country allows Jews in their government? You are just another lefty radical from Berkeley.
7. #2 - You are wrong
Pedro ,   Brazil   (12.03.12)
Muslims are doing a hate campaign against Jews and Israelis and not only in Muslims countries. And not all Muslims of course, but many of them. A lot of them.
8. #6
Human Being ,   Berkeley, CA   (12.03.12)
I invite you furnish documentation of ANY Palestinian leader/official/document that states that all Jews in the world -- and please do not conflate Jews with Zionists/Israelis (there's a huge difference there) -- should be killed. Palestinians ask simply for equal rights. That equal rights for Palestinians means to many Israelis "national suicide" is an indication of the deeply racist nature of the society.
9. #8 Human Being
Vlad   (12.03.12)
Try Hamas Chief Al-Rantissi, who said that Hamas would attack Jews wherever they were.
10. did it ever accur to u..
Israela ,   Zion   (12.03.12)
That if God Forbit..Israel lost the 67 attack by all sorrounding arabs , this page would not be here??
11. Jihadi Resergence
Zivron   (12.04.12)
Jihadi Resergence allows only truces and humanitarian assistance never peace .That applies to the Palestinian movement which is suffused with jihadi sympathy .The Jews and Gentile sympathisers ought work
12. Absolutely Right!.
David Fakheri ,   L A USA   (12.04.12)
13. # 8
Birdi ,   Israel   (12.04.12)
No need for any invitations. Simply read the charters of Hamas & the PLO where the death wish for all Jews is written. A Jew is a Jew whether he is a Zionist or not.
14. #8 apology
Not Article 8 of the Hamas Charter, Article 7 you still FAIL
15. #13 It's not black and white like you think
esse ,   --   (12.04.12)
There are no doubt many Palestinians who hate all Jews (and not just Israelis/Zionists.) But there are many more Palestinians who just want to have a nation that is not under the boot of Israel. It is these people we need to reach out to and these people who will be empowered if we work with the Palestinians toward the establishment of a Palestinian state(while the extremists will consequently be marginalized to the point of irrelevancy.) If you choose to conflate those who hate Jews with those who hate the policies of the Israeli government, that is your right. And it's my right to call you a simpleton for doing so.
16. #13
Human Being ,   Berkeley, CA   (12.04.12)
I suggest you read Hamas' charter (as I have in the original Arabic). Nowhere is it mentioned that all Jews should be killed. Indeed, nowhere in the document is the killing of anybody urged. On the contrary, in several articles, it calls for equal legal protection for Muslim, Jewish and Christian Palestinians.
17. To # 3
David Fakheri ,   L A USA   (12.04.12)
In 1947 UN suggested 2 states for Jews and Arabs ( Palestinians Of Today! ) Solution BUT the Arabs refused to accept this PEACEFUL Resolution And Left It As The Ugly Face as The World Are Witnesses it Today. If there is a person who is thirsty but refuses to drink any body's offer to survive ( like the Israelis that accepted the water of the life and many thanks to god not only they survive but in the most honorable standards of science, technology and other things like humanity life saving ) should be any regret when He dies of thirst? Israel had to go through all those imposed wars by it's enemies on her and come out of all as the winner to defend her citizens ?
18. # 13
Birdi ,   Israel   (12.04.12)
When the ''many more Palestinians who just want to have a nation that is not under the boot of Israel'' become the leaders of this group of people,( & not the extremists) then & only Israel may have a chance at resolving any kind of peace issue.
19. #8 vegetable, berkeley, CA
Non-Jew ,   England   (12.04.12)
try googling 'Hamas Charter'. It's Hamas's constitution document. It is available in English, translated directly from the Arabic: However, Arabic is a very 'flowery' language. If you take the time to read it properly and look past the rhetoric, you will find that that Hamas state their commitment to killing JEWS (Not just Israelis, or Zionists) WORLDWIDE (actually, they state universally).
20. #13
Non-Jew ,   England   (12.04.12)
I am quite sure there are some Palestinians who do not hate Jews per se, but I don't believe your claim that they are in the majority actually holds water. The fact that Hamas and the PA ensure that Jew hatred is taught to Palestinian children in their schools from a very early age, and Shahidism / Jihad is glorified and encouraged, makes this unlikely to change. No doubt you've heard the famous quote from Golda Meir. However, I've been visiting Israel regularly for 30+ years now, and I've discussed the Palestinians with many people there. All the ones I've spoken to have felt pity - not hate- , for the 'average' Palestinian, that they have been maintained in their perpetual misery by their leaders , who hold their hatred of Israel above their concern for their own people's welfare.
21. To: No. 1
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (12.04.12)
What "violations of international law?" Mind much citing chapter and verse? See, I have a Master's Degree in International Affairs from Columbia University, and I cannot find a single violation of international law. Please state your credentials, and then proffer some documented proof. Oooooh. I can't wait! I'll eat you alive, but go ahead and do your level best anyway.
22. I agree
Ypip ,   Canada   (12.05.12)
The term "Arab Spring" isn't even semitic. It was whipped up by the western media commentators as far back as March 2005 as a beneficial spin to the invasion of Iraq. Now that country is merely a conduit for Iranian and Russian arms into the ME. A very artificial term, to say the least.
23. #16 wrong again
You don't read Arabic, do you? Please give us your translation of Article 7 of the Hamas Charter where the extermination of Jews is called for. Also, there is no part that calls for "equal legal protection" for Muslims, Jews and Christians. In fact, Articles 2 and 5 say the opposite. If you read Arabic, you would know that.
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