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When were you circumcised?
Dima Motel
Published: 21.01.13, 18:57
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61. Benassi - Number 2
Masulis ,   New York   (01.22.13)
It is clear that you hate Jews and Israel so I must ask you -- Why do you spend your days all year talking to them ?? You sure seem to love talking to people that you hate .. Jews are the strongest people on earth so you can NEVER hurt them. . I am a Catholic and deeply admire the Jews.
62. 44 correction: People who are Jews in their "heart" ARE
Rivkah   (01.22.13)
Jews according to Rabbi Yeshua of Nazareth.
63. Hilarious to hear Rivkah
Howard Immanuelson ,   US   (01.22.13)
tell us about Jews and who's Jewish and not. Virtually no one believes you're Jewish.
64. civil(ized) marrige
yigal ,   north   (01.22.13)
My wife and I got married In front of a judge out of Israel,at a ceremony that cost the equivalent of 15$.The certificate Is recognized by Israel's ministry of Interior.In April we will celebrate 33 years of marriage (I better not forget the date and a gift). Naturally both sets of parents were disappointed we didn't have a religious ceremony but one should not live another's life.
65. "...is not enough for them..."
Pinya Vasilevsky   (01.22.13)
The "THEM" is the answer on your question. Israel is divided on "us" and "them." Each of the groups abuses other. The very question of "anachnu we came here" is still alive. Nothing new under the sun.
66. So Young, So Naive...
Yeah Right Bud ,   GWN   (01.22.13)
So you think that you're going to "take a stand" and bring a change to the parasitic rabbinical institution, right? Oh, Boy... Listen up: the reason they treated you the way that they did, is because they do not, and will not, EVERRRRRR, consider you to be Jewish!!! Got it?! To them, you are a "process" that they must go through if they are to get money from the state! End of story! Should have gone to Cyprus in a heartbeat! Instead, you got aggravation and abuse... Hey - where do you plan to have your honey moon - Bnei Brak? Do yourself a favour - stop trying to prove a point, and try instead to enjoy life. God knows it's hard enough over there even without trying to prove your point!
67. Mazaltov Dima
Dovi ,   TLV   (01.22.13)
Firstly wishing you mazaltov!! the process is a headache I agree... sometimes humiliating, and thus needs much improvements, HOWEVER, there is no room to call people racists for the simple reason that it is their task to keep the religion intact. Moreover, comparing your experience to the holocaust is just sick... and childish. If you want a Jewish wedding (as you stated) then you have to perform all the steps whether its humiliation in front of a Rabbi or humiliating at a bachelors party. You are getting married - man up, and again mazaltov
68. To: No. 62
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (01.22.13)
You cannot be serious. Get a grip, honey. Your "Rabbi Yeshua of Nazareth" was a freaking schizophrenic who thought he was the son of G-d. What he was, is the illegitimate son of a flighty girl. G-d does not need a son. To suggest that he does detracts from the concept of G-d. Do you understand that?
69. Rabbinate conversions UNconnected to ancient Israel
Thinking Jew ,   Israel   (01.22.13)
Chief Rabbis version of the Rabbinate was originally ordained by Ottoman Turkey and is the product of the Medieval European Dark Age. Emerging moderate Orthodox Halakhah is the thread of connection to ancient Israel, and reflects the constant orientation to the Light in a dynamic and advancing world. Thus, you still have the age-old conflict between sons of Light and sons of Darkness -- or perhaps more accurately today, sons of the Dark Age.
70. Think that is bad, wait til you tell them your husband is a
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (01.22.13)
Conservative female rabbi, mine is going to be. OY VEY, they will say, and they will have to let us in.
71. Do onto others
Esther ,   Abroad   (01.22.13)
"That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn." —Talmud, Shabbat 31a
72. circumcision
john ,   toronto   (01.22.13)
Circumcision is not necessary to be a Jew. No one in my family has been physically circumcised. But I am sure we are Jews. If anyone wants to be circumcised let them be, don't ask personal questions like this. This is a matter between a devotee and his God.
73. To: No. 72
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (01.22.13)
Sorry, dear, but if you aren't circumcised, you're not Jewish. That's just how it works.
74. SARAH B
...DACON9   (01.22.13)
IT IS ABSOLUTELY NECASSARY TO BE CIRCUMCISED TO BE A JEW. That is the convenant between the 'ONE G-D' and the people as told to Abraham. you can be sure all you like but it doesnt change G-Ds LAW
75. #35
Harold ,   USA   (01.22.13)
Ask the Jewish Engineer Elly who works for a Jewish school in New York City. By the way are you circumcised.
76. When were you circumcised
Rahmin Ben Yedidia ,   Los Angeles, USA   (01.22.13)
Interestingly enough, when I opted to leave my comment to this opinion written by young young man. The first thing that popped out was a bold print warning that "Comments containing incitement, slander, racist slurs and inappropriate language deemed to violate our terms of use won't be published." Yet this Ynetnews site allowed this kid to slander the Jews, the Court System with very much of slander, racist slurs and ..... SHAME ON YOU. LAW IS THE LAW! Jewish Rabinical court is no more insulting than the Common Law or Law of any land! To call Jewis practice of enforcing and protecting what little left of us (we are one of the Greatest yet smallest by number peoples in the world) is not very smart.
77. I also ole from the Soviet Union, and passed the same treatm
Nadia ,   Jerusalem   (01.22.13)
78. Shande!
Dannie Klompus ,   NYC   (01.22.13)
As a shomer mitzwos Torah Jew, following a charedi rabbi even, I am appaled by these practices!! Bad midos, or no midos at all!
79. Jew
Zorro ,   Sao Paulo, Brazil   (01.22.13)
I was always taught Israel was recreated once more to be a safe heaven for Jews and descendants. I see that Israel has evolved to a country desperate to have a pure breed of real Jews only and those who cannot prove they are pure are considered sencond class. I am very frystrated.
80. mazel tov!
Jeff ,   Haifa, Israel   (01.22.13)
Dima, First of all, best wishes to you and your bride. Secondly, it's true that the Rabanut could learn, let's say, a bit of 'finess' when it comes to their presentation. Realize, however, that there are many non-Jews from the former USSR who are trying to present themselves as Jewish. We, as a people have not only a right but a duty to try to prevent this. It should be done more politely than what you have described. Some Haredi people can be crude at times. But the actual intent to determine your Jewishness is a very worthy and important issue. Anyway, have a great wedding, many children, and best wishes to you.
81. Judaism is not racism but elitism.
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (01.22.13)
Jews are meant to be the light unto the nations.The world expect that. Every body can become Jew if he respects the obligations. G-D created the world with guidelines written in the Tora. Jews took upon themselves to keep the Tora alive. The Rabanut has the difficult task to filter the fake Jews.They do that conscientiously but could may be more sensitive to the feelings of the candidates. On the other hand ,Jews ought to understand the necessity of those interrogations..
82. #73-Sarah B-"Sorry, dear, but if you aren't circumcised,
Ken ,   Burma at Peace   (01.22.13)
you're not Jewish", so much for your Jewish state . By the way have you been circumcised? hmmm??
83. #72 Circumcision
Harold ,   USA   (01.22.13)
I don't think God recommends Circumcision. He would have created circuncised males if that is the right creation to do. The circumcision started by a guy who thought God is wrong and he is right.
84. 69 Thinking what? ..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (01.22.13)
Since the people who took upon themselves to be the light unto the nations, can t be the sons of darkness... about who are you talking?
85. Where were you circumcised?
ahad haamoratsim ,   USA   (01.22.13)
The same place as everyone else, I would think.
86. #2 And y'all worship the Almighty $.
Jake   (01.22.13)
87. Lying about one's Jewish background
Anthony David Marks ,   Israel   (01.22.13)
Objectively speaking, the government of the state of Israel and the Rabbinate are entitled to know the facts of immigrants' backgrounds. Many from the former Soviet Union lied about them, namely to receive economic benefits and a better life.
88. racist?
rivka c. ,   israel   (01.22.13)
how is this racist? stupid, degrading, humiliating, ridiculous, pathetic, rude, backwards and a host of other words. but not racist.
89. 81 - The world expect that ,...
split ,   US   (01.22.13)
The world that got to know you does not expect anything and said loud and clear many times... get lost !!!,...
90. Rough process
veronique ,   Rehovot, Israel   (01.23.13)
We also went through a humiliating process, but my husband told them off by telling them that he knows the law, that he doesn't need them to get married, he just needs a ring and two witnesses. Then things suddenly became smooth and fast!
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