So what? Israel is anti pretty much every country.

(1) Any source for those "polls", where Poland is quoted as the most anti-semitic country in Europe? (2) Is there a social obligation for everyone to like Jews? (3) Give me a reason, why do you think the Polish people should like Jews? (4) From what I can see and read, the most violent anti-semitic incidents in 2012 took place in the "goo old" EU, i.e. shooting at a Jewish school in Toulouse, France, and physical attacks on synagogues in Sweden. Also, how do you assess the current situation in Ukraine & Hungary?

The Polish government sponsored investigation concluded the Jedwabne massacre was committed by Polish inhabitants of the town and surrounding area. They also concluded at least 340 Jewish people were murdered in this pogrom but this investigation was completed 62 years after the massacre at a crime scene that was no longer intact. Other sources report half the population of the town which consisted of 1600 Jews were murdered. Even when presented results by a Polish government investigation, your goal is to deny responsibility and claim your own reference as part of a smear campaign.

It was the Jews that welcomed invading Soviets in 1939. Hundreds of patriotic Poles disappeared during that time from Jedwabne and vicinities, hundreds of thousands from other cities under Soviet occupation pointed out by your homies. Same crap during 146 yrs of partitions of Poland and every time some enemy showed up at Polish borders your homies were the ones that greeted them at the gates ,... Unlike you I'm not asking you to admit or take a responsibility for your conduct during those days, I'm telling you to stay away from them or any other places not welcomed ,...

Is the fact that I do get my facts and numbers straight. You on the other hand skim the surface and cherry pick your facts. Your typical mantra is to blame "invading Soviets" and Jews for all the ills in the world. Poles have legitimate reasons to see themselves as victims of the German occupation. But incidents like the massacre in Jedwabne portray them as monsters no different than the Nazis. That's why some Polish posters are responding in such a defensive manner. They prefer this information not be made public.

I am sickened to my core to read the talkbacks of Poles and their plaintive bleats of innocence and rejection of any possibility that it is the Poles who are responsible for the fate of the Jews of Poland. Well-documented history speaks eloquently to the contrary. Jewish people in Poland died in the multiple millions throughout history. Whether because of their devotion to the Roman Catholic faith, or their superstition, or their simple hatred of Jewish people -- does it really matter? -- Poles have massacred Jews throughout history. The facts speak abundantly. And all the paltry excuses made by the Poles today -- oh, the Jews were socialists, they befriended the Communists -- none of that is true. Did the Jews adopt socialism? Of course. Socialism bespeaks of equality. And when you are being persecuted and massacred for no good reason at all, wouldn't socialism appeal to you? But please do not confuse socialism with Soviet communism. The best example of productive, workable, actual socialism exists solely on Israeli kibbutzim. That is the Jewish ideal of socialism. That the Communists in the Soviet Union perverted the Jewish view -- and they did -- does not render the Jewish people responsible for the acts of the Soviets. And, it may interest you to learn, the very first victims of the perverted Soviet idea of socialism or communism were the Jews. It is the Jews who were the first -- and most numerous -- victims of the perverted Soviet brand of socialism. What better proof than the fact that Jewish socialism works, and works well? You need look no further than the kibbutzim.

Dear Cynthia & other anti-Polish forumers, you are a prime example that there is a truth and there is a 'Jewish truth'. If the facts don't fit your theory about 'sins' of antisemitic Poles, just change the facts. As far as Poland is concerned, Jewish propaganda is blatant and aggressive, and in my opinion is not any different from Goebbels' Nazi propaganda or its Soviet equivalent. What a cesspit. I'm outta here...

Precisely what did I say that was untrue or anti-Polish?

Again: There is a lot of black events in the history of Poland. As in every other country's history. And no one tries to whitewash them. You do not have to remind us about Jedwabne. Every imaginable aspect of that massacre was discussed over and over again in the Polish national press and scientific publications, nothing is hidden. When you insist that the number of victims reached 1600, you in fact want to involve the entire Jedwabne's Polish Christian anti-Semitic community in murdering their Jewish neighbors. The lesser number of victims (340) points to a different scenario, a group of around 40 local thugs (born as Christians, certainly) active in that murder, the rest of people staying in their homes, behind closed doors – terrified, afraid to intervene. Independently of your motives, your way of manipulating data is a sure sign of third-rate mind, and third-rate ersatz education. We have a lot to feel responsible for. But we do not have to respond to phantasies, to allegations uncorroborated by any evidence, to ersatz-facts pretending to be facts. K.

Poland's historical record is both clear and shameful. There are enough Jewish concentration camp survivors who were born in Poland whose stories of the actions of the Poles are too remarkably similar to ignore. You have to face your ugly past. Until you do that, you have no future.

Jedwabne. There is a monument there, dedicated to the memory of the massacre's victims - with inscriptions in Polish, Hebrew and Yiddish: To the Memory of Jews from Jedwabne and the Surrounding Area, Men, Women, and Children, Co-inhabitants of this Land, Who Were Murdered and Burned Alive on This Spot on July 10, 1941...... July 10, 2001. We face our past. Do you?

There are shameful events in Poland's past like in any country's past. But to imply that Poland's record vs. Jews is ONLY shameful, is a blatant misrepresentation. I have a question for you - how many Jews were killed by Poles during the Holocaust and after the war?

To disect and judge what motivated those 'goons' to participate in round up and 'pogrom' initiated by Germans after sharing the town with Jews for centuries it would be prudent to ask what ever happen between Sep '39 and June '41, during Soviet occupation? - I know that the President of Poland A. Kwasniewski and L. Kieres the President of the Institute of National Remembrance banged themselves in the chests and apologised to Jews long before this so called 'investigation' was finalised and the report was made. This is the only mass murder site in civilised world shut in the middle of excavation and closed to forensic experts by rabbi's decision or maybe just maybe that rabbi was an excuse to close it due to non collaborating and inconvenient evidence in regard to numbers of victims or pointing to Germans like their ammo on the site ,...

And the pogroms ordered by Gomulka? Have you forgotten those, or did you never know about them? Is that something your parents neglected to tell you? I'm certain it doesn't appear in Polish history books, but it happened, and thousands of Jews were victims. Tell me -- whom do the Poles blame now for their misfortunes, given the fact that there are only a handful of Jews -- most of them quite elderly -- left? Ever think to turn your gaze inward, or is that too much to ask of a Pole?

The overwhelming majority of kapos in the concentration camps In Poland were Poles. They were, according to both my late mother and father (z"l), worse even than the Ukrainians, who were pretty bad. As to after the war -- have you ever heard of Kielce? I'm sure that was not an isolated incident. My father attempted to return to Lwow after the war, to reclaim his father's lumberyard. He was driven off by Poles, who threatened to kill him. So -- to answer your question -- Poles killed quite a few Jews during the war, and quite a few thereafter. Before the war, I am certain the number ran into the tens of millions. You are correct. Poland's past in terms of its history with respect to the Jewish people is not only shameful, it is despicable and criminal. You will never wash the blood from your hands. How many Jews have your forebears killed? Have you ever asked your parents or grandparents? Somehow, I doubt it. Besides, they'll probably tell you that the Poles were as pure as the driven snow. You'll buy that fairy tale. You're heavily into denial. But the historical record is very clear, and the Poles are responsible for the deaths of Jews by the score. You need to come to grips with your despicable past.

"Poles have legitimate reasons to see themselves as victims of the German occupation" - You're cynically ignoring/omitting the fact of Soviet occupation which was equally painful if not worst and much longer than German and that Poland's Jewish 'guests' enthusiastically contributed to it by inviting them, collaborating with them during and post WWII years implementing their bloody system on the nation that shared her soil with them and got stabbed in the back in return just like in the past ,...

"Poles killed quite a few Jews during the war, and quite a few thereafter. Before the war, I am certain the number ran into the tens of millions". Here it is. The evidence. Poland historically functioning as an ultimate Jewish killing ground. Not as Paradisus Iudaeorum. Tens of millions of Jews killed by Poles. The evidence of paranoia. Not really of third-rate education, but, clearly, of paranoia. Intensity of your resentment makes you - to use your words - into "a walking, talking ethnic joke".

You need to read "Constantine's Sword." It is estimated that had the Jewish population of Europe been left to the vagaries of natural increase and decrease, the Jewish population of the world today would number 330 million. It doesn't. It numbers a little over 13 million. I have a little bit of news for you: what the Nazis did to the Jews is nothing compared to what the Roman Catholic Church did to the Jews. When I say tens of millions of Jews in Poland alone, I mean it. It has nothing to do with paranoia. It has everything to do with the Poles and their "faith." Why are you so determined to deny your past? Do you have only a third-rate education? As to Poland as a killing groud -- why do you think the Germans shipped Jews from as far away as Belgium, Luxembourg and France to Poland to be exterminated? It would have been so much simpler to build an extermination camp in any of those countries. But no, they shipped them all to Poland. It appears that they knew more about the Poles than you do. They knew the Poles wouldn't care about the fate of the Jews. There is a saying that "Poles get their hatred of Jews with their mother's milk." The more I learn, the more I believe it.

Stick to the topic of the thread, please. The subject is Poland, not the Soviet Union. Poland's Jewish "guests," you say. Oh, that's right! They were never allowed to be citizens, were they? Thank you for pointing it out.

1. I haven't seen any statistics (and I doubt you have), but I would say that most kapos were in fact Jewish. In any case, survivors' accounts often talk about Jewish kapos. 2. Lwow fell under the Soviet rule during the war and the majority of the Polish population had been chased away by 1945. 3. I didn't ask you about your vague estimates of the number of Jews killed in Poland during centuries, I asked you about during and after the war. You visibly know nothing about the subject beyond Jedwabne and Kielce (about 340 victims). That's understandable though, because they were the largest recorded massacres. For your information, historians think that Poles killed tens of thousands of Jews during the war and about a thousand after the war. That's about 2% of Polish Jews killed during the Holocaust. If you can dispute those numbers and this percentage please go ahead, but with references, not just your guesses.

Here's a quote from professor Deborah Lipstadt for you. "Many people, Jews primarily among them, believe the balderdash that the Germans put the death camps in Poland because the Poles would be happy to see the Jews killed. They ignore the fact that to the Germans Auschwitz was German territory and was to be the site of a major German settlement. One person, who is well-informed and well read, found this notion of Polish non-complicity hard to grasp. He kept trying to find links: Weren't they guards at Auschwitz? No, I said. Well weren't they part of the Einsatzgruppen, the mobile killing units? Wrong again. Well how about in the Sonderkommando units [the groups of prisoners who essentially pulled people off the trians, pushed them into the gas chambers, and then disposed of the bodies and who, themselves, were gassed by the Germans every few months because they knew too much]? No those groups were composed, in the main, of Jews." And one last question, if Poles were as anti-Semitic as you believe, why Jedwabne (with its several hundreds victims) is the biggest massacre you can find? It was possible to do much "better" than that. You know what Babi Yar is, right? So why no Babi Yars in Poland? Why even bother with concentration camps if Poles were so happy to kill Jews? Further in the East, about 1 million Jews were killed on the spot, so it was feasible. Why build concentration camps in Poland and then never employ Poles as guards? Can you explain this too me?

I should have say squatters, non of those so called Polish Jews was ever invited to Poland and the rest got resettled (read dumped) from tsarist Russia during 146 years of partition of Poland after they got fed up with them too ,...

Why not read the roster of all the kapos who were hanged at Montelupich Prison following World War II. All of them were Poles. You are wrong about Jedwabne -- the number of deaths is much higher-- and isn't it enough that the massacre at Kielce even happened? Stop trying to assuage your conscience at the expense of historical accuracy. You are trying to defend the indefensible. As to Polish callousness -- the very prospect of a convent built on the hallowed soil of Auschwitz is stomach-turning. But that was exactly what the Poles planned to do, wasn't it, until the international shock and outrage curbed the enthusiasm of the Polish church.

Au contraire, pinhead. The Jews were invited to Poland by King Casimir the Great.

You need to read "Constantine's Sword." - A pile of guild trip crap that doesn't take into account a short life span, a sanitary conditions, plaques, calamities, wars, famines, seasonal disease outbreaks like those we are vaccinated for today that was affecting total population or diseases attributed to intermarriage practiced among Jews to name few.

"The Jews were invited to Poland by King Casimir the Great. " Who then, using the opportunity, started to murder them - by milions. By the way, as far as I am concerned, I can confirm Polish participation in any massacre or pogrom you'd wish to mention. Even in the massacre of Deir Yassin or Qibya. Be my guest. And, by the way # 2, the plans to establish the enclosed convent at Auschwitz were put forward by the contemplative order of Carmelite nuns. Do you really believe they would have prayed to some other, hostile God? And, over 100 thousand ethnic Poles were murdered in Auschwitz. Anything difficult about remembering them and praying for their and their tormentors' souls?

And where did you find that roster? I did a quick search and I found this for example (it's from an account of a Jewish survivor). "Jewish Kapos in uniform were forced to hang Polish political prisoners brought to Plaszow from the Gestapo prison on Montelupich street”. You can google for the source. Germans used prisoners as kapos, and since there were more Jewish prisoners than non-Jewish prisoners, I suspect there were more Jewish kapos. Even if there was 1,600 victims in Jedwabne, which is not the case, it doesn't change the fact that it's a very, very small percentage of all Holocaust victims and a much smaller massacre than Babi Yar, or Lasi in Romania.

You're wrong, no Polish king ever invited Jews they tolerated them, some like Henry the Pious gave them some rights which Kasimir the Great honored and extended but never invited ,...

"according to both my late mother and father (z"l), worse even than the Ukrainians" - No kiddin' ever heard of germanised Jews as kapos? It wasn't a Polish commando that rounded up Jews in ghettos and delivered like cattle to train stations to deliver them to death camps it was the Judenrat cops, it was the Jewish commando that horsed them upon arrival to gas chambers and picking in deceased cavities searching for hidden jewelery or pulling their denture crowns of their mouths. Nazis didn't trust Poles on this field, no mom. By the way Lwow was no Polish city or under Polish government since Sept. 1939 and cleansed up of Polish population by your homie commissar Kaganowich by '46, the remaining handful wasn't in charge and on their way to be deported, so what those it fit with your daddy's story? To read more on this subject google "Polish population transfers (1944–1946)" .

There was no "massacre" at Deir Yassin. That myth was debunked long ago. Do you deny that King Casimir the Great invited the Jews to Poland? For his own purposes -- he was trying to build a middle class, and that it something at which Jews excel. I don't care which Roman Catholics wanted to build a convent at Auschwitz. They did have the support of the Church hierarchy in Poland at first, didn't they? Your god is not my G-d. My G-d does not need a son or a virgin birth. The last thing on earth I want are the prayers of a Pole who worships a god that is little more than the religious equivalent of three-in-one oil. Sorry. Find another object for your prayers -- heaven knows there are enough Roman Catholics throughout the world in poverty-stricken circumstances who can use your devotions. We neither need nor want them.