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B'Tselem: Most fatalities in Pillar of Defense were civilians
Elior Levy
Published: 09.05.13, 12:28
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1. Civilian deaths in Gaza
Steve a ,   manchester England   (05.09.13)
Many thousands of innocent German women & children died in the allies bombing in World War 2. But it was the nazis who were responsible for the bombings. So every civilian death in Gaza was the result of the policies of Hamas .
2. Who guive money to B Tselem ?
Rosenvald ,   Brasil   (05.09.13)
3. Btselem and Haaretz sold the jews to the goym.
Rosenvald ,   Brazil   (05.09.13)
4. jews are our own worst enemies
jay abouaf ,   jaffa israel   (05.09.13)
war is ugly. 98% of gaza, civilian or not, is complicit with hamas and the other bigoted and violent fascists ruling the arab muslim world. therefore they pay when their desired leaders start war.
5. How many killed
Raphael ,   Netanya   (05.09.13)
By friendly fire? At least the kid in the arms of his father on the picture. B'tselem and Pallywood are cooperating.
6. International Law is quite clear
Sarah B ,   Tel Aviv/London   (05.09.13)
the deliberate targeting of areas knowing there will be civilian casualties is a war crime and a crime against humanity. Ironic really seeing as the law was brought in in 1948 as a direct consequence of the Nazi's razing of the Warsaw Ghetto. It appears the days when our political leaders could open their election campaigns by attacking Gaza to improve their polling figures are coming to an end. I also note that Hamas has also been accused of breaking the laws of war.
7. Btselem and Haaretz,the worst for Israel.
Rosenvald ,   Brazil   (05.09.13)
8. Assad kill 87 civilians in five minutes.
Rosenvald ,   Brazil   (05.09.13)
9. They dress in civilian clothing, they are cowards!!
Brett L ,   Johannesburg RSA   (05.09.13)
So a guy who is a combatant who holds his wife and children in the front line, which is what these animals do should be counted as a combatants unfortunately. Just because they died in the line of fire should not be Israels fault!! Unfortuntaley these activist orginisations and the news networks are so sickeningly bias against Israel it will always be reported that they are civilians!!
10. bull sheet
Israel Winicki ,   Beer Sheba-Israel   (05.09.13)
And bombing with misile civilians isnĀ“t a war crime?
11. poor civilians..???
arthurf ,   amsterdam   (05.09.13)
Maybe those poor civilians should blame Hamas for their misfortune... B'Tselem are a sick bunch of brainwashed losers. Why not recreate a pre-2005 situation in Gaza? Rebuild settlements and send the IDF in. It was much quieter then...
12. pals used as human fodder
BUILD BABY BUILD !!! ,   United States   (05.09.13)
well, almost human. They haven't quite figured out how to use what remains of their small pea sized brains. War is hell and these pal lunatics live to die. There should be NO pals at all in any part of Israel at all.
13. B'Tselem, front group for Arabs
Larry ,   Los Angeles   (05.09.13)
as soon as I hear the word "B'Tselem" I realize that we are talking about slanting the facts. Does anyone really take this group seriously anymore???
14. Betselem
israel israeli ,   tel aviv   (05.09.13)
According to Betselem Israel killed 1.5 non-combatants for every combatant, based on unverified reports from Arab propagandists. So in the worse case, IDF is better than US and UK forces which kill 2 non-combatants for every combatant, with other countries (France, Russia, Turkey) being far worse. No less important, Obama's CIA drones kill 10 civilians for every combatant. It is also significant that Hamas attacked Israeli civilian targets, while Obama, Cameron and Erdogan are aggressors, attacking far away foreign countries for economic interests. Betselem is anti Israeil foreign agent, generously funded, for example, by the British and Norwegian foreign offices. Their statements are no different than those made by Ahmadinejad, Assad and Bin Laden. The fact is that IDF did not act "contrary to the laws of war", but Obama's drone attacks are a war crime. Let's ignore their ravings until after Betselem jails Obama.
15. Can a war be won following laws to the letter?
Harry Schonfeld ,   Sweden   (05.09.13)
I would like to add to #1 Steve A:s talkback that if the allied had fought the war according to the laws of war and refrained from bombing German cities, the Nazis would never have been decisively defeated. Then the Jewish members of B'tselem would never have been born and Israel would not have come into existence. The Arab-Israeli conflict will likewise never end if Israel should fight according to the rules while the Arabs continue to ignore them completely. With the silent approval of the Western democratic countries. The restraint that IDF put on themselves is admirable. By comparison the 70000 dead in Syria shows what weight both sides in that war put on the necessity to avoid civilian casualties.
16. It's not about laws of war, it's about who has more accurate
JtC ,   Jhb / Nir Eliyahu   (05.09.13)
weaponry... Had every rocket that landed in Israel caused a fatality or more, the casualty count on the Israeli side would've looked horrific. Then, this report would've never been published. Secondly, when rocket and mortar fire emanates from a 'civilian' population, the casualty count, however tragic, cannot be attributed to the side defending itself from that fire.
17. Yeah...
Eisenfeld ,   Israel   (05.09.13)
Certainly for Btselem; the fatalties in SYria are all terrorists and soldiers...
18. are these people for real?
tiki ,   belgium   (05.09.13)
Halloooo, the world has moved on. Since then, there are 80.000 innocent Syrian dead, people in Irak, Lybie, Soedan, Egypt, Tunesia, Iran, Mali, Africa, etc.etc.etc. are being killed every day and these B'Tselem losers have nothing else to rapport than this????
19. POD
Get Real ,   UK   (05.09.13)
How do they know the difference between non-combatants/civilians and terrorists. They don't wear uniforms. They fired missles from urban areas and used women and children as nearby human shields 1500 terror missles fired at Israel in that short conflict alone. What response did they expect? The wonder is that so few civilians were killed in Gaza, showing the care with which the Israelis chose their targets. Don't condemn Israel for defending itself, make Hamas accountable for the death and destruction it has brought Gaza. The real criminals are Hamas, who were even condemned by HRW.
20. No such thing...
Christian Zionist ,   San Antonio, USA   (05.09.13)
As a civilian Arab, they are all potential terrorists. Praying for the peace of Jerusalem. God bless Israel!
21. B'Tselem
aaron ,   toronto,canada   (05.09.13)
What is all the fuss about?Gaza voted democratically for a terrorist organization to lead them,they must pay the price.
22. Every Gazan are against Israel...
yonathan haokiip ,   sderot   (05.09.13)
...as Hamas, they are in plainclothesman with a rifle. when they die they are civilian. Every civilian are Hamas-minded and they are against Israel, so what matter to us if Hamas of Civilian die.
23. That's Why Arabs Use Human Shields
emanon ,   USA   (05.09.13)
Not all of them were willing shields either. No telling how many arabs Hamas killed just to boost the body count.
24. IWhen Jews are murdered the world stays silent
Robert Blum ,   New Albany, USA   (05.09.13)
Israel has always risked the lives of Israeli soldiers, by carefully inserting its troops and conducting door to door operations instead of merely bombing and devastating everything. Israel drops pamphlets and makes thousands of cell-phone calls to warm the civilian population to leave the area, which unfortunately causes the terrorists and their leaders to to leave in advance of the attacks as well. When the British and Americans were bombing in Eastern Europe a few years ago, nobody complained and there was no self checking, when they used phosphorous bombs and blanketed civilian areas with bombs, killing countless innocent non-combatants.
25. Israel must fight according to Churchill's rules of war.
Chaim ,   Israel   (05.09.13)
Churchill knew the Nazis must be defeated at any cost. He rightfully realized that the best way to destroy German morale was to make as many Germans homeless as possible. So he did exactly that. The "Palestinians" are genocidal enemies, just as the Nazis were. A "Palestinian" leader recently endorsed the use of nuclear bombs against Israel. Israel needs to fight "Palestinians" according to Churchill's rules of war.
26. #6
Non-Jew ,   England   (05.09.13)
Just another point to assist your understanding on the matter: your state "I also note that Hamas has also been accused of breaking the laws of war". Since Hamas definitely habitually fire out of civilian areas, and also definitely deliberately target civilians (d'you want to try to refute either of these claims?), there is no need to pussyfoot around stating they are 'accused' of war crimes - both these actions DEFINITELY ARE war crimes.
27. btselem is full of merde
hy   (05.09.13)
self hating jews who nothing about asymmetric warfare and how arabs fight using civilian cover.
28. #6
Non-Jew ,   England   (05.09.13)
Since it is already known that around 10% of all missiles fired from Gaza don't actually make it out of Gaza, it would be interesting to know how many Gazan deaths currently attributed to Israeli strikes were actually caused by Hamas missiles - I guess we'll never know for certain. We do know that Hamas fired around 1500 missiles during the conflict, so in theory that's around 150 'own-goals' - are we to believe, in such a densely populated area, no other Gazan deaths were caused by these? Perhaps Israel's amazingly low rate of collateral damage is even more remarkable than they are currently given credit for!
29. #6
Non-Jew ,   England   (05.09.13)
My responses to your are being posted out of order (or not posted, whichever). You clearly do not uderstand international law. Look up 'collateral damage' on Wiki, and you'll see a good explanation, provided by Luis Moreno-Ocampo, who was Chief Prosecutor at the International Criminal Court at the time of the last Iraq war. Israel's civillian to combatant mortality rate in Pillar of Defence was approximately 1:1 - that of the US in Iraq and Afganistan has been estimated as 3:1 - but Gaza is much more densely populated than either iraq or afganistan, and also Hamas fire missiles from populated areas. What therefore IS clear is that the IDF are doing their best to avoid collateral damage, and, I may add, with considerable sucess.
30. #28 the true figure
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (05.09.13)
Close to 50% do not make it out of Gaza. It is estimated half the civilians killed are caused by their own rockets.
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