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Focus on reality, dump the myths
Chris Gunness
Published: 28.05.13, 11:15
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31. UNRWA is itself a myth
jonny ,   Cape Town   (05.28.13)
The only reality is that the UNRWA is itself a problem, and is thus an obstacle to any solution. The only myth is that the UNRWA is actually achieving anything.
32. Not to mention the fact that about 90%
Robert Haymond ,   Teko'a, Israel   (05.28.13)
of the UNHRA employees are Arabs from the region of Israel and, without their "jobs", their families would go broke. So it is important that UNHRA continue to exist and, in that way, Arab refugees and their offspring and their offsprings' offspring can buy food and possess housing and, so you see, UNHRA provides a very beneficial service to its thousands of employees. The end.
33. Jews used to be refugees...
Mark ,   Cleveland, USA   (05.28.13)
Not so long ago, we relied on the kindness of strangers to rescue Jews from the camps, and allow us to resettle in many countries. We also asked for and received the support of the UN to establish our own state. Now they try to do the same for Palestinians and we freak out. Sometimes, Jews suck.
34. Mark #33, that old comparison of Jews with their oppressors
Jake   (05.28.13)
just doesn't hold up in the world of truth and reality. It was the refusal of the international community to act that condemned millions of Jews to death in the Holocaust. It was the refusal of the UN to formally adopt and implement Partition that enabled the Arab invasion of Israel and created the Arab refugee problem. It was the failure of the UN to persuade the Arab countries to confer the Arab palestinian refugees with citizenship - in the same way that Israel conferred citizenship on Jewish refugees from Arab countries - that has perpetuated the the so-called palestinian refugee problem. Your attitude is exactly the type which has enabled this wound to fester for decades. Grow up, and learn history, instead of indulging in pernicious and stupid comparisons.
35. #34, your ungrateful
Mark ,   Cleveland, USA   (05.29.13)
It is not the job of American or Russian families to send their kids to fight a a war on our behalf. They did so, and without the UN, and the support of other nations, Israel would have remained a dream. Without modern day Americans supporting Israel in the UN, and dollars coming from our country, Israelis would be living in tents, in a bombed out shell of a country. Show some respect you ungrateful .....
36. #34 jake - excellent post!
solomon ,   bklyn   (05.29.13)
37. #29 avi - thanks for the picture of another human being
solomon ,   bklyn   (05.29.13)
38. #6 ben
solomon ,   bklyn   (05.29.13)
The ones who care the least about the wellbeing of the "refugees" are those arab countries [their brothers] that kept them from resettling, and forced them to stay in the camps. They had the chance in 1948 and blew it. No going back. BTW: Israels legitimacy is established. It's the legitimacy of the "refugees" that is in question.
39. 28 , the same for you , the charedim
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (05.29.13)
who see us as "goyim" , only good to defend and to feed .
40. (29) Avi Ze'ev
tiki ,   belgium   (05.29.13)
'A nice guy and not ill-intentioned'? To Eva Braun, her Adolf was a very nice guy and not ill-intentioned.
41. To: No. 33
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (05.29.13)
Really? Do you mean like the "kindness" of the British, who put Jews in nouveau concentration camps on Cyprus? Kindness of strangers, indeed. And yes, while other countries did accept Jewish concentration survivors and Jews who were expelled from Arab and Moslem lands with little more than the clothes on their backs -- please cite one instance where Jews acted violently in their adopted homeland. Please cite one instance where Jews did not appreciate their new citizenships. You can't, can you? Of course you cannot. There are no such anti-social actions by Jews -- that's an Arab and Moslem phenomenon. Mark, you suck. Get an education, and STFU until you do.
42. #35 mark
solomon ,   bklyn   (05.29.13)
Show some respect for what Israel has done without our help (which began only in the 1960's) and what they give back to the US. [BTW: They have been training our troops in urban warfare.] Show some respect you ungrateful .....
43. Does Chris subscribe to "if you believe it, it's not a lie"
Rafael ,   Sydney, Australia   (05.29.13)
George Costanza, alias Jason Alexander said "Remember, Jerry, if you believe it, it's not a lie" Perhaps Chris, you've drunk so long at the UNRWA trough that you actually believes what he writes. However, even if you're not a liar, you can still be delusional. Chris I notice that you didn't even begin to mention the disproportionate benefits the Pali's get compared to other refugees .. but maybe it's not your problem that the other refugees are very much the poor cousins to the Pali's... yes, better that you stay out of that one.
44. #42 American aid
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (05.29.13)
Started in 1974.
45. Mark , ungrateful ?
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (05.29.13)
For the US not allowing the Jewish refugees on board of the St Louis to disembark there ? For GB not to allow Jews in Eretz Israel ? The US accepted Jews , Einstein , Chagall , Leonard Frank , Szilard , Wigner , Von Hevesy , and many others of this level . Yes , the US troops came to fight for European freedom . But was it only to free us , but not because of their fear of communism ? Yes , non Jews saved many of us from the camps , but many more collaborated with the murderers , or were looking in the other direction . Israel integrated ALL the Jewish refugees from arab and moslim countries . Egypt , when they occupied Gaza , didn't allow ANY gazan to settle there . A "palestinian" refugee in Kuwait , could only posses 49 % of his bussinnes . The "palestinian refugee" problem was not resolved by their "brethren" , they want to maintain it as a weapon against Israel .
46. #35, what bizarre version of history you reading?
Danny   (05.29.13)
When did either Russian or American soldiers fight on behalf of Israelis or Jews? How did the "support of the UN" lead to an Israeli state. US aid is a tiny fraction of Israeli GDP and mostly goes straight back to the US in arms sales. Furthermore, the US only started selling offensive weaponry to Israel after the 1967 war. Do yourself a favour and read a proper history book
47. Mark #35, the UN did not implement partition
Jake   (05.29.13)
because the Security Council refused to adopt it and the British refused to cooperate with it. The UN mediator tried to scupper it with fresh proposals desiged to placate the Arabs. These were unacceptable to both sides, and bore no fruit. The UN had no choice but to accept Israel in 1949, because it was an established and undeniable reality on the ground. How do you think the myriad of other nations joined the UN? Israel also managed to survive 4 wars just fine without much help from the US, and to your obvious chagrin, WILL survive in future just fine once the US aid comes to an end. One thing I don't understand though: WHO IS "WE"?!?!
48. thank you
suha ,   jerusalem   (05.30.13)
he say not defened i like this article he does not attack israil
49. #44 gee - thanks for the correction
solomon ,   bklyn   (05.30.13)
50. #47 jake
solomon ,   bklyn   (05.30.13)
Let's not forget that in the Yom Kippur war, the ammunition that the US delivered had to be sent directly to the battlefield. And no other country lifted a finger. History, like life, is not black and white but shades of grey. Dark grey in this case, but let's not forget the much needed help the US gave at that moment in time.
51. 77% of Palestine . . .
Joseph ,   London UK   (05.30.13)
If Palestinian refugees want to return to their country of origin let us remember that 77% of League of Nations Mandatory Palestine is now called the Kingdom of Jordan. Instead of 65 years in refugee camps they should have returned to that 77% of Mandatory Palestine.
53. #50, solomon
Jake   (05.30.13)
Yes indeed, US airlifted armaments to Israel during the Yom Kippur of 1973, while no other country lifted a finger. However, the airlift began only on October 14, 8 days after the beginning of the war, by which time the IDF had already advanced deep into Syria and mounted a succesful invasion of the Egyptian mainland from the Sinai. Armaments were not airlifted "directly to the battlefield". American fighters from the U.S. 6th Fleet escorted the transports to within 150 miles of Israel, where Israeli Air Force Phantoms and Mirages escorted them into Ben Gurion International Airport.
54. #53 jake
solomon ,   bklyn   (05.31.13)
The point is that Moshe Dayan stated that as ammunition arrived, it had to be sent directly to the battlefield. All gains would have been lost had the IDF not had the amount of ammunition it needed. And let's not forget that Israel was using US equipment, and that 8,755 tons of it arrived before the end of the war. The Merkava was not yet on the battlefield.
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