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Comment posted, damage done: Online battle for Israel's hasbara
Eyal Lehmann
Published: 18.09.13, 19:04
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61. #30 No knowledge of HISTORY
Ibrahim el-Awal ,   Dearborn USA   (09.19.13)
The San Remo meeting followed by League of Nations (55 nations) in 1926 allocated the "home of the Jewish people" to what today is Jordan, West Bank/Gaza and Israel supplemented the Balfour declaration. The British than gave Trans Jordan to the Hashemites. In 1947 the rest of mandatory Palestine was split again to accomodate
62. #57 - Au contraire
Albrecht ,   EU   (09.19.13)
"No state has a stronger claim on its land than Israel has on Judea and Samaria" Au contraire: The Vandals in North Africa have a much stronger claim on their homaland Silesia in Poland.
63. #60 Samuel Nonsense
Bill Stein ,   USA   (09.19.13)
Settlements are legal Eugene W. Rostow assistant secretary of state for the United States in 1967 who wrote UN resolution 242 wrote in several articles New Republic in 1991 that resolution 242 never meant for Israel to go back to the 67 borders. He also wrote that settlements were legal in the West Bank based on the fact that the British mandate in 1922 could not be rescinded. There is nothing in his writings in any agreements that say Israel had to go back to 67, and nothing was ever mentioned about land swaps.Read also what the other authors wrote about Resolution 242 in the January 15 2007 article in Camera titled. "Security Council Resolution 242 According to its Drafters" Lord Caradon: Quotes Res 242 "Much play has been made of the fact that we didn’t say “the” territories or “all the” territories. But that was deliberate. I myself knew very well the 1967 boundaries and if we had put in the “the” or “all the” that could only have meant that we wished to see the 1967 boundaries perpetuated in the form of a permanent frontier. This I was certainly not prepared to recommend." "We could have said: well, you go back to the 1967 line. But I know the 1967 line, and it’s a rotten line" "Had we said that you must go back to the 1967 line, which would have resulted if we had specified a retreat from all the occupied territories, we would have been wrong." Dr. Jacques Gauthier, a Canadian lawyer who specializes in international law says that the San Remo Conference was the “final hearing” of a “world court,” the council of the five leading nations and victors of World War I. The “case” before the “court” began at the Paris Peace Conference of 1919, where both the Jews and the Arabs of the Middle East submitted claims to the council to obtain independence and control of various territories. Gauthier calls April 24-25 in San Remo the “key defining moment in history” on the issue of title to Jerusalem and says that Chaim Weizmann called the decision the “most important moment for the Jewish people since the exile.” The legal machinery that set in motion the rebirth of Israel was the 1917 Belfour Declaration British Mandate etc which was formalised by the League of Nations at the San Remo Conference of 1920-22. This conference was intended to break up the old Ottoman Empire into individual nation states. After the fall of the Ottoman Empire during the First World War, the Allied powers literally created the nation states as we know them today. It was at this time that the borders of mandated Israel were created. The legal foundation that formalised the state of Israel formalised the states of Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Kuwait as well as the other 21 states of the Middle East. The area mandated for the state of Israel included all of the area that is now disputed, namely Israel, Gaza, the West Bank and all of the territory of Jordan. If Israel is illegitimate, so are the other Arab states created at the same time by the same mandate. When the United Nations succeeded the League of Nations, it ascended all of the former’s mandates, without modification. Please see the 5 or so YouTube video lectures on Jerusalem judea and Samaria international law by famed non Jewish international lawyer Dr. Jacques Gauthier. Unfortunely can't post links in this forum. I only say "non Jewish" because to some bigots might use the excuse that he is Jewish for his Pro Israeli legal opinion The Britsh Mandate was recognized by the league of nations in 1923. As per wiki "In June 1922 the League of Nations approved the Palestine Mandate with effect from September 1923. The Palestine Mandate was an explicit document regarding Britain's responsibilities and powers of administration in Palestine including 'securing the establishment of the Jewish national home', and 'safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine"
64. #38 Thank you Hameed, and please don't mind Stan
Tahl   (09.19.13)
Everything you said about Idiotann is 100% true, perhaps you were even too gentle with that peanut-minded troll. As for Stan, he may claim to be a "Zionist", but his defeatist and self-flagellating opinions certainly do not represent us Israelis. Interestingly enough, comments like "Hitler should have destroyed you", the horrific blood-libels against Israel, and the usual antisemitic filth uttered by Idiotann never bother him, and stir any real criticism from him. The bulk of his criticism is always directed against Israel. With "Zionists" like him, I prefer my enemies.
65. # 32 Well said Samuel!
Stan ,   Israel   (09.19.13)
I would add just one point to help this poor man escape his elusions. If everything was as clear as he says, how come not even one country in the world agrees with him.
66. # 54 Interesting view Sarah.
Stan ,   Israel   (09.19.13)
(At first I thought this was from our American friend) Whichever it is, this situation is leading Israel, the Jewish state to a boycott which will, God forbid, lead to Israel's destruction.
67. 38 & 64
Birdi ,   Israel   (09.19.13)
Thank you Hameed, kind greetings to you. Tahl @ 64. well said.
68. 66.
Birdi ,   Israel   (09.19.13)
Gotcha! A Jew never writes the full word of G*d. You've been caught out Stan! 50 years living in Israel? Liar & fraud.
69. Go the extra mile
Harvey ,   London   (09.19.13)
I don't underestimate the value of online hasbara , but to make a real difference and primarily for those in the diaspora join local grass roots groups and if there isn't one start one yourself . There are plenty of people who are just looking for direction including the community , Christian Friends of Israel etc . Monitor the BDS for intended targets and organise counter protests . Seek out schisms within the movements which generally revolve round the presence of overt antisemites within each chspter and highlight PSC embarrassment that they harbour such individuals and their attempts to expel them . Use every means within the letter of the law to disrupt and impede . Most have malign racist and antisemitic motives which are not difficult to uncover once you scratch beneath the surface . There are plenty of excellent reference points including Harrys Place archives ref antisemitism within the PSC . Do your homework and get started .
70. Samuel, Melbourne ...check my post#46
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (09.19.13)
..and wise up
71. # 68 Thanks for the comment Birdi
Stan ,   Israel   (09.19.13)
I am a Jew born to Jewish parents. I don't kiss mezuzot.and don't pray Shacharit, Mincha and Maariv I attend a Conservative shul ( I'm very happy with the equality between men and women) I AM NOT YET AN ATHIEST, BUT THE WAY THE RELIGIOUS AUTHORITIES ARE RUNNING THINGS, MANY YOUNG ISRAELIS DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION.
72. # 46 Mark You requested comments
Stan ,   Israel   (09.19.13)
I listened to Gautier's lecture (all 53 minutes of it) . Only a small part relates to Jerusalem, most of his speech is about the rights of the Jews to Palestine. Concerning Jerusalem, he mentions twice that there are almost 250,000 Jews who live in East Jerusalem. He does not mention the fact that there are about 300,000 Arabs living within the present municipal boundry of the city, or that there are thousands more who live ouside this line. These are the parts of Arab Jerusalem which will constitute the Palestinian Capitol if a Peace agreement is reached.. Nobody thinks that all the big Jewish suburbs like Gilo, French Hill or Betar will be part of the Palestinian area.
73. #55, Ivor
Gobbo   (09.20.13)
It's breathtakingly dishonest (and self-serving) for you to imply that all non-Jews who post pro-Israel messages are merely posing as non-Jews. Your feeble claim doesn't exactly account for people like the German and Arab bloggers mentioned in this very article, does it? Nice try.
74. #70 Mark, Wise up?
Samuel ,   Melbourne   (09.20.13)
I haven't even mentioned the J word yet. Israel's claim to the West Bank is what has been discussed. I'm happy to admit that Israel's claim to Jerusalem is FAR superior than the Muslim claim. But, we're talking about Israel's occupation of the West Bank. There is no good claim for that. Your post citing your video was thus irrelevant.
75. Stan
Birdi ,   Israel   (09.20.13)
If your belief in G*d would be strong enough you would not consider becoming an athiest, nor would you allow the behaviour religious authorities to sway your loyalty (to G*d) What made you decide to come to settle in Israel? Your kids?
76. #75 Birdi
Stan ,   Israel   (09.20.13)
My eldest is 40 Let's say that my connection to Israel is much stronger than my connection to religion.
77. 76
Birdi ,   Israel   (09.20.13)
How about your connection to your kids is much stronger than your connection to Israel & the Jewish religion? Had your eldest gone to live in Canada, you would be living in Canada now!
78. Just as important
Nurit Greenger ,   Los Angeles   (09.21.13)
Just as important as the demographics issue is - if not more, are the lies about “occupation”! How can Israel be occupying the land that belongs to her, and her alone, according to the International Law. Period! (Balfour Declaration 1917, San Remo Resolution 1920, Mandate for Palestine 1922, Article 80 of UN Charter, and so on and so forth.) Why is it that Israelis who are known to be loud and confident are totally blank and totally mute when it comes to their rights to the land and are so willing to give it away to the Arabs? Never in history such a case happened and it is only because the entire world knows Jews can be kicked around and be used as a punch bag and in return they will appease the kicker for kicking them. We saw it over and over again and no one ENDS this insanity.
79. Nothing can change the fact that...
Fabio ,   Rome   (10.12.13)
Israel is a criminal state, built on hate and racism. Can any one here point the difference between Zionism and Nazism? Both systems are built on the purity of their race...Both are criminal and should be exterminated...
80. #55 little tiny weenie.
DavidR ,   USA   (10.15.13)
Yes, and we will take your word for it, we all suspected as much anyway.
81. 79
john Darren ,   cairns-Austraalia   (10.21.13)
Fabio-you have written an incredibly stupid post.You have a computer-use it to find the truth.So, you love the word exterminated?Your post says it all-you are the Nazi.
82. Why Do They Ignore the USS Liberty?
Joe Meadors ,   USA   (06.28.14)
What is very telling is that the Zionist propagandists referenced in the article have totally ignored the June 8, 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty. Probably because all they have available to them is the lies told by the Israeli and US governments. They’re afraid of discussing it with those of us who were aboard the USS Liberty and who are the victims of the war crimes committed by the IDF during the attack on our ship. Joe Meadors USS Liberty Survivor
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