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Lieberman: Ties with US deteriorating, more allies needed
Matan Zuri
Published: 20.11.13, 17:02
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31. #15 Hillary is no fan of Netanyahu
Mark Jeffery Koch ,   Cherry Hill, NJ USA   (11.20.13)
It's laughable to read all the right wing posts about Obama and about how everything will be fine between Israel and America once Hillary Clinton wins in 2016. Hillary Clinton and her husband both loathe Netanyahu and the only fans Netanyahu has in America are the evangelicals and far right Republicans. Without AIPAC money few Republicans would even support Israel. If you read the polls and understand where America is headed the Republicans are not going to win the Presidency in 2016. Jews, Blacks, Gays, Hispanics, and Women are voting for Democrats and this trend will only accelerate. The bomb Iran bomb Gaza right wing Americans that Netanyahu and Lieberman love so much are becoming fewer and fewer and do not represent where most Americans want to go. For that matter, few people in Europe, Asia, Africa, and the Middle East support Netanyahu either.
32. Correction: Ties with the USA and the American people...
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (11.20.13)
...and the Congress are NOT deteriorating. Israel's ties with the Obama Administration lead by Obama, Biden and Kerry on the other hand are without a doubt deteriorating due to the anti-Semitic, anti-Jewish, anti-Israeli, anti-American, anti-European, anti-Western, anti-democratic, anti-capitalist, anti-free market policies of the Obama Administration. Israel and America are strong allies - America is immensely popular in Israel. The vast majority of the American people holds very pro-Israeli and pro-Jewish opinions. Even if Lieberman means well the choice of his wording is unfortunate and clumsy since it implies that Israel has a "conflict" with America. Israel has no conflict with America. In reality, President Obama has a conflict with the people of America and the government and people of Israel. Israel's conflict is with Obama, Biden and Kerry - not 300 million Americans.
33. #6
Harold ,   USA   (11.20.13)
Those who back Lieberman are fools like you Sarah B. He did say foolish statement before i.e. the distruction of the Aswan Dam in Egypt and the distruction of Mekka in Saudi Arabia. Tell me I am wrong. He is fit to be a bouncer in one of your clubs.
34. Yay, u don't know what u have until ...
Jersey Jew ,   New Jersey, USA   (11.20.13)
it's gone! Very smart 4everyone ...
35. Alexander #32: Obama is U.S. president
Steve Klein   (11.20.13)
Whether we like it or not, presently Obama speaks for and represents the United States. Sadly, the American people (many) elected him in 2008 and then re-elected him in 2012. The damage has been done. Americans elected a twenty year disciple of Jeremiah Wright. What you are saying would be akin to saying (during the years of the Third Reich): "The vast majority of the German people hold very pro-American and pro-British opinions." It would not matter. Please, do not delude yourself. What Obama is doing to Israel he is doing in America's name and it could have terrible, even devastating implications should Iran get the bomb.
36. deteriorating or readjusting?
Cameron ,   USA   (11.20.13)
Natural, inevitable, and long overdue. Nothing is static, particularly in the realm of state-to-state relations.
37. Harold, answer me in plain English...
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (11.20.13)
...without any hysterical psychotic anti-Semitic verbal attacks and without any imaginary false pretense of "representing" 300 million Americans through your excessively "patriotic" "pro-American" views, tell me in plain English: 1) WHY are you here 2) WHAT do you want 3) WHAT do you want to accomplish? Your talkbacks are increasingly non sensical and idiotic. If Lieberman is fit to be a bouncer he should bounce Arabs out of Israel, bounce you out of America and bounce anti-Semites out of this galaxy.
38. Elohim protects Israel
Bob   (11.20.13)
39. To nr 35 Yes until January 2017
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (11.20.13)
Voting for Obama shouldn't be confused with identifying oneself with his anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish opinions. Most Americans do not vote for a political candidate with Israel or other countries in mind. Best proof of that is that most Americans - even those who voted for Obama, are pro-Israeli and pro-Jewish. Why was Obama elected twice? Because he is a master deceiver - that's why. What you mean to say is that Obama "speaks" for and "represents" America since he holds the office of the Presidency - that doesn't mean he speaks for the American people. The American people doesn't support him. Obama was elected twice but opinion polls in America clearly reveal that he doesn't speak for the American people. You're right, he's the US President, but I'm not "deluding" myself. Obama is harming Israel in America's name - yes, but Obama is not America and he doesn't represent what Americans truly feel. Harming Israel in America's name doesn't mean 300 million Americans approve of it. Speaking of Germany during the Third Reich: Hitler did have the support of the German people. Obama does not have the American people's support. The Third Reich was a dictatorship, and USA is a democracy and a republic. Speaking for America and doing in America's name is just that - in America's name, since he holds a powerful office. Offices and tenures of offices do not represent a nation - values and opinions do. Israel and America will both survive Obama.
40. #39: you are right; Israel will survive Barack Obama
Steve Klein   (11.20.13)
It is dangerous to make historic comparisons because there are no perfect historic comparisons. Obama is not Hitler and America is not Germany. Germany does however offer important lessons. You say voting for Obama should not be confused with identifying oneself with his anti-Israel and anti-Jewish opinions and policies. Herein lies the problem. You could have said much the same thing about Germans who voted for the Hitler party in the early nineteen thirties. Indeed, I am certain many Germans did justify voting for the party, by arguing he would bring back German greatness and international respect. How many do you think would say they voted for him and his party because he was a racist? Keep in mind, Americans are turning against Obama (even those who voted for Obama) because all but the most partisan are waking up to the fact Obama has repeatedly lied to the American people and he is hurting this country. Were it not for that, he would be popular notwithstanding what he is doing to Israel in my opinion. After the second world war, after all the terrible carnage the German Chancellor brought to Germany, few Germans acknowledged they supported their Fuhrer. I suspect the same might hold true for Obama in years to come when the history of what he's done to the United States and your region of the world is fully digested.
41. @26 hitler was also elected democratically
dovdevan ,   ashdod,paris   (11.20.13)
israel has no obligation to follow the path of the stupid american foreign policy ! it won't be the first time that the people of israel will face the entire world hostility ! you call the israeli governement the far right i call for obama and its supporter the far left who will lead the middle east to a catastrophic future like what did happen in egypt with the islamo-fascist under morsi who was backed by the naive strategist of the white house ! israel decided to withdraw from gaza to give peace a chance and what did they received in exchange only more bombs and rockets ! if you are so human you should start giving back the lands that were stolen from the indian people in north america !! by the way where were the american jews when jews from europe were persecuted and butchered by the nazi during WW2 ? they turned they head and back
42. #36 US to ally with New Guinea for tech innovations
Logic ,   Israel   (11.20.13)
Obama will create for you a cutting-edge network of valuable allies, such as New Guinea, Pakistan, and even six Antarctic polar bears.
43. Harold #33, yes you're wrong.
Jake   (11.20.13)
Lieberman did not threaten "distruction of Mekka", that's a spurious allegation. Also, the Aswan Dam comment, which he made prior to being FM, was taken out of context and was meant in the context of a hypotheitcal war with Egypt. He has since retracted it and apologized (unlike Arab and Islamic politicians who have threatened Israel with destruction).
44. To: No. 15
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (11.20.13)
First of all, Hillary Clinton is hardly a shoo-in (note proper spelling). Obama dreads the mid-term elections next year more than anything. He just may lose the Senate. Have you noticed all the Democrats who have been crossing the aisle of late about (i) Obamacare? (ii) upcoming reduction in the bond rating of the United States? (iii) Unlawful unilateral act by Obama to reduce the weight of the sanctions upon Iran (that is the exclusive province of the Congress of the United States)? No, but you're not terribly observant. I rooted strongly for Romney. I threw a great deal of money into his campaign. I helped in fundraising. But I did not think he would win. I hoped he would. For that matter, the overwhelming majority of voting Americans are wishing he had won, too. By the way -- you never did answer my question; I'll pose it again. What did you do in the IDF? Where did you serve?
45. To: No. 33
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (11.20.13)
Minister Lieberman is also a decorated veteran and is a university graduate. Did you serve in the armed forces? Did you graduate from high school, let alone college? The Aswan Dam is definitely a military target. Always has been. And the Kremlin is an American military target. Always has been. Your point?
46. #45 Sarah B
Harold ,   USA   (11.21.13)
I am a college graduate and never worked as a bouncer. The Aswan Dam cannot be a target because its distruction kills hundred of thousands oif innocent citizens but the Kremlin can be a target. It seems you are an Enlish teacher checking spelling and grammer of most commentators' comments..
47. #27 Sarah B
Harold ,   USA   (11.21.13)
No. 2 Is 100 percent right. You cannot occupy lands that they are yours. I am sure Putin told Netanyahu the same "LEAVE ALL OCCUPIED LANDS AND RESPECT YOUR TEN COMMANDMENTS" For your information Hollande said the same moreover he said Jesusalem must the Capital of the Israelies and the Palentinians.
48. To no 1
john Darren ,   cairns-Austraalia   (11.21.13)
Not much between your ears is there? Go back to school and learn English before you post again.
49. Great idea--where is going to find them?
Sheldon ,   Detroit, USA   (11.21.13)
Europe is out, as they become more and more outraged over settlement expansion. Russia and China are unlikely partners. Most of Africa is Muslim, and even if they were friendly towards Israel they don't have any real influence. South America, ditto. So who exactly is left? Lieberman says "We have to think on how we restore our reputation in the international arena." That will be tough, however, if he continues to insult everybody in sight. Not to mention his insistence on keeping the Pals in limbo--not citizens in their own state, not citizens (even second class ones) in Israel, and administered under military occupation in perpetuity. It seems as if Lieberman doesn't have the slightest idea of how to win friends and influence people. Perhaps a Dale Carnegie course would help?
50. Russia will benefit Jewish Technology
Zechariah   (11.21.13)
Russia would benefit from Jewish Techology it ought Remain Even with the USA .The Jews were protected to an extant by Bolshevism Nazism aimed for Obliteration .Khoumani is Threatening ugly Threats.
51. Lieberman expreses exactly what other countries hold.
Jacky ,   Stuttgart   (11.21.13)
U.S. position in the world is deteriorating: Turkey prefers to buy military missiles from China, Japan is exercising it's military with Russia, Egypt is military contracting with Russia, The Saudis are making new military contacts with Pakistan and China, Europe is minimizing it's ties with U.S., So do the South American countries, Arab countries do not welcome American officials any more, etc. etc... Lieberman just expressing the same what others do.
52. pointless posturing - Judea & Samaria are lost.
On the Balcony   (11.21.13)
If, as Israel alone claims, the territory is "disputed" then common sense and prudence dictates tbat the dispute be resolved BEFOREyou start treating the territory as if you own it. As you well know, I have presented numerous detailed refutations of the arguments in support of the supposed legality of the settlements. You can start with the 1967 opinion by Theodore Meron, who was commissioned by the Israel government. to analyze the issue. Meron concluded that civilian settlements would be a direct violation of the Geneva Convention. You can find it in both Hebrew and English at soas.ac.uk/lawpeacemideast/resources/ and then you can study the International Court of Justice's advisory opinion which unanimously ruled that the settlements are illegal under international law. I prefer not to waste more time in a pointless debate with someone who believes that U.S., EU and other opposition to the settlements' legality is based purely on antisemitism. More important, the on-going negotiations are likely to render any argument moot. We'll just have to wait and see.
53. it all started when Liberman became FM
Haim ,   TA   (11.21.13)
Well duh !
54. #6 Sarah B
Albrecht Klein ,   Germany   (11.21.13)
Barack "The One" Obama will declare himself Eternal President until 2016.
55. LOVE YA SARAH B USA!!!!
BUILD BABY BUILD ,   United States   (11.21.13)
You go girl.. Give 'em hell Lady!!!
56. Judea and Samaria, JERUSALEM
BUILD BABY BUILD ,   United States   (11.21.13)
ALL ISRAEL'S ALWAYS. BUILDING OVERTIME BABY !!! SAVE A JEW BUILD A HOME!!!
57. # 51 Jackie smart analysis.
BUILD BABY BUILD ,   United States   (11.21.13)
No one trusts obama's revised version of "His' America. Especially, we American's. Damn, the man is a house of lies.. Did you ever hear his 'minister'? He damns America in G-ds name making him a glad breaker of the commandment, "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain," But, as a posing "Christian" he should know that.. Strange form of Christianity, a Muslims prospective and filled, always upon lies GET EVEN WITH obama, BUILD MORE !!!!
58. # 54 American's are beginning to spit on obama
BUILD BABY BUILD ,   United States   (11.21.13)
he's been found out, a liar and one dumb one at that.... GET EVEN SAVE JEWS BUILD MORE HOMES!!!!
59. #3
Darren Ben John ,   Townsville, Australi   (11.23.13)
It is all about the money with your comments. FLASH: When you go, you can not take the money with you. Do you know that? You promulgate jewish stereotypes
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