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'No circumcision for my son – it's not moral'
Adi Reshef
Published: 21.10.15, 23:13
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31. Terrible
Judith ,   Canada   (10.22.15)
It's one thing to do what you wAnt but it's another thing altogether to write a book and make others sin along with you. Terrible
32. should change his name from Kasher to Treife
robert ,   antwerp belgium   (10.22.15)
Better even: if he thinks he doesn't have the same amount of pleasure without a foreskin, why doesn't he have an operation to graft a new foreskin?
33. Nothing But Barbaric Mutilation .....
World Citizen ,   the world   (10.23.15)
Based On Bronze Aged Myths. Like not eating shellfish or pork. Like not cooking meat and dairy products in the same pot. Do religious Jews still stone other members of the tribe if they wear fabrics made with wool blended with cotton or linen? No because it is idiotic and everyone knows it. Yet it is in your holy books. So why pay attention to other silly rituals? Why do you let the Jewish mullahs rule over you?
34. Some facts from a doctor
Simon ,   London   (10.23.15)
Circumcision drastically reduced to almost zero HPV infections and other foreskin related problems such as cervical cancer and penile cancer. Whilst these cancers are extremely rare in populations of circumcised men they are horrific cancers and I am a surgeon in London and I can testify as to how grim and deadly these cancers are. In addition my Polish Catholic wife is extremely happy with the fact that I am circumcised and has strong opinions about this as has every non-Jewish women I have had dealings with in the past.
35. IT'S NO SKIN OFF MY NOSE
TEL EM STRAIGHT ,   SAFED OBVIOUS   (10.23.15)
36. ?????
Aline silverman ,   Israel   (10.24.15)
This man changes his way of seeing things just after reading ONE article against circumcision...A little rash is it not ?
37. Have people gone mad ?
Aline silverman ,   Israel   (10.24.15)
The circumcision has been performed for over 2000 years. No Jewish man remembers it as a traumatic experience. I fact most babies 8 days old do not even cry. The whole thing is done in a few seconds. As for depriving Jewish men of their sexual pleasure...It is the first time I hear something so ridiculous... The 3rd point I want to make is that circumcision is more hygenic...there are cases where uncircumcised men develop infections ... So I do not know what the fuss is all about !
38. A strange way to embarrass your sons
Ruth ,   Ramat Efal, Israel   (10.23.15)
You have certainly chosen a very strange way to embarrass your sons. As a secular Israeli grandma I understand that everyone has the right to chose but why publicize it? And who are you to "educate" the public on the "morality" of an ancient custom which is carried out also in Islam, an entire group of people not mentioned in your article. By the way there are now 1.57 billion Muslims in the world (23% of the total population) so circumcision isn't going to disappear even if you persuade a few Israelis or Jews! It's far easier for the Jewish baby boy who is circumcised at 8 days old than the Muslim boy of 7 (at least) and suggesting that "boys should chose what they want" when they are adult is nonsense. Parents are free to chose but to claim that this is immoral is a stain on those who chose to circumcise their sons in the tradition of our people. The only important thing is to ensure that a surgeon undertake the procedure, something we did for our son and grandsons.
39. free herpes
Rabbi fischer/usa ,   lalaland   (10.23.15)
with every cut/suck, google this name for a mohel with std. yuck.....healthy? not by skin of his chin,
40. Dr Reiss
Yerach ,   Jerusalem,Israel   (10.25.15)
No real Rabbi supports the Brit Shalom BS only reform ones who are not rabbis at at all!!!!
41. He condemns his son
BUILD BABY BUILD !!!   (10.24.15)
If he had done research he'd know that fewer men who are circumcised contract AIDS. But, this fool knows more than the G-d of Israel? Hardly. he's an ass. No decent Jewish woman would want his son.
42. Hey, Citizen of the world #33
Moishe ,   Golutsk   (10.25.15)
The world would better place today if all "enlightened" citizens like you would eave us "barbarians" alone and let us practice our religion according to our Torah.
43. The WHO advises circumcision as an AIDs preventative!!
Hila ,   Australia   (10.26.15)
44. some more facts
Mark ,   Manchester, UK   (10.26.15)
UK, Greece, Denmark, Cyprus, the Netherlands, Italy, Luxembourg, Finland, Iceland, and Malta all have lower rates of cervical cancer than Israel. A 2003 paper in the Israeli Medical Association Journal discusses circumcision and cervical cancer at length and says the following: "Although the dispute over the association of circumcision and cervical cancer in various populations is still ongoing [23,24], there seems to be no hard evidence that circumcision prevents its occurrence in Jewish women, and it is no longer considered to play a protective role." Penile cancer? 1) rarer than vulval cancer 2) much much rarer than breast cancer in females 3) rarer than breast cancer in males(!) 4) rarer in some countries which don't circumcise than in the USA which does 5) usually only seen in men with phimosis or terrible personal hygiene 6) also seen in circumcised men (pubmed 9466082, 9374971, 9270540) 7) possibly sometimes caused by circumcision (pubmed 16406995; 12862118)
45. what some other doctors say
Mark ,   Manchester, UK   (10.26.15)
This is what some national medical organizations say: Canadian Paediatric Society "OTTAWA— In an updated statement released today, the Canadian Paediatric Society (CPS) continues to recommend against the routine circumcision of newborn males." Royal Australasian College of Physicians "After reviewing the currently available evidence, the RACP believes that the frequency of diseases modifiable by circumcision, the level of protection offered by circumcision and the complication rates of circumcision do not warrant routine infant circumcision in Australia and New Zealand." (almost all the men responsible for this statement will be circumcised themselves, as the male circumcision rate in Australia in 1950 was about 90%. "Routine" circumcision is now *banned* in public hospitals in Australia.) British Medical Association "to circumcise for therapeutic reasons where medical research has shown other techniques to be at least as effective and less invasive would be unethical and inappropriate." The Royal Dutch Medical Association "The official viewpoint of KNMG and other related medical/scientific organisations is that non-therapeutic circumcision of male minors is a violation of children's rights to autonomy and physical integrity." "[30 September 2013] - At a meeting today in Oslo, the children's ombudspersons from the five Nordic countries (Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, and Iceland), and the children's spokesperson from Greenland, in addition to representatives of associations of Nordic paediatricians and pediatric surgeons, have agreed to work with their respective national governments to achieve a ban on non-therapeutic circumcision of underage boys." German Pediatric Association "Therefore it is not understandable that circumcision of boys should be allowed but that of girls prohibited worldwide. Male circumcision is basically comparable with FGM types Ia and Ib that the Schafi Islamic school of law supports"
46. Mark from the UK
Koose E Mack ,   NY US   (10.26.15)
Stop trying to confuse the Leftist Lunatics with scientific evidence. They don't have the intellectual wherewithal to understand empirical scientific evidence!
47. Sylvia
Koose E Mack ,   NY US   (10.26.15)
Barbaric....note the spelling! You're welcome to kiss my brit anytime!
48. The article fails to mention
ky   (10.27.15)
That he will be physically different from his father and his brothers and the effect it will have on his future relationships with them. I am in no doubt that as he grows up he will regard himself as either something superior or inferior. One thing for certain he will have a very different view of himself. For me as a father it would be the most important factor. I would want any child of mine to regard himself as a whole part of the family. If all the males in my family were not circumcised then it would be fine . But this is a thoroughly ill thought out decision based on the facts presented here.
49. 48 +Son might call father:"Dirty Jew"
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (10.28.15)
when they quarrel. I have seen this happen with a non-Jewish mother.
50. Circumcision
Bernhard, Emanuel ,   Berlin, Germany   (10.29.15)
Forget religion and science. For a young man with a healthy sex life the main question to ask is: Is circumcision rather helpful or not. My personal experience: It is. Women in those 'advanced' countries like Japan, Germany etc. who had sex with non-circumsized men only, and then have sex with acircumcized man, look at the male circumcision as something extremely positive. When asked they mostly cite: Better sex for themselves and cleanliness. So, circumcision might be worse for male sex sensitivity but apparently it helps women with their sex life. As always with science: Probably one day this fact will be scientifically proved. Only women who actually had sex with both kind of men can contribute to this topic. Israel is definitely not the right area for such a study (to many circumcized Jews and Moslems.....I am joking). This study could be only performed in 'advanced' countries (Europe, Singapore etc.). Let's wait for those studies and circumcize in the meantime.
51. to 50
Simon ,   London   (10.29.15)
I have never met a women who has said she prefers a non-cirumcised version. They have all uniformly said from aesthetic and practical functional reasons they prefer the circumcised one. I would be interested if any of the talkbackers who are women or indeed gay men disagree with this and prefer a non-circumcised member. I think the responses will conform to my experience with this, including my Polish Catholic wife.
52. 51 Argument not relevant
(10.31.15)
Circumcision is the condition of the Jewish people ever lasting existence..Period.
53. Brit Mila
Danny ,   Memphis TN   (11.20.15)
God commanded Abraham to a brit Mila at age 100 and commended him to give Isaac a brit at eight days old. Face the fact that is our connection to God and your depriving you're son with that connection, shame on you
54. CIRCUMCISION
DANNY TAWIL ,   ENGLAND   (11.20.15)
WHEN MEN GET OLDER AND START TO DRIBBLE URINE THEY MUST STINK CIRCUMCISON IS MUCH CLEANER. COMMON SENSE DANNY. BY THE WAY ALL THE BRITISH ROYAL FAMILY ARE CIIRCUMCISED.
55. Circumcision harmful
Hans Castorp ,   Los Angeles, CA   (11.29.15)
Jewish scholars were traditionally quite upfront regarding the damage of circumcision. In fact, they celebrated this damage. Philo of Alexandria, Of the Special Laws, Book I (first century CE): "I would add that I consider circumcision to be a symbol of two things necessary to our well being. One is the excision of pleasures which bewitch the mind. For since among the love-lures of pleasure the palm is held by the mating of man and woman, the legislators thought good to dock the organ which ministers to such intercourse, thus making circumcision the figure of the excision of excessive and superfluous pleasure, not only of one pleasure, but of all the other pleasures signified by one, and that the most imperious." Moses Maimonides, Guide for the Perplexed (1190): "With regard to circumcision, one of the reasons for it is, in my opinion, the wish to bring about a decrease in sexual intercourse and a weakening of the organ in question, so that this activity be diminished and the organ be in as quiet a state as possible...The bodily pain caused to that member is the real purpose of circumcision. None of the activities necessary for the preservation of the individual is harmed thereby, nor is procreation rendered impossible, but violent concupiscence and lust that goes beyond what is needed are diminished. The fact that circumcision weakens the faculty of sexual excitement and sometimes perhaps diminishes the pleasure is indubitable...The sages, may their memory be blessed, have explicitly stated: 'It is hard for a woman with whom an uncircumcised man has had sexual intercourse to separate from him.' In my opinion this is the strongest of the reasons for circumcision."
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