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The hateful Norway debate
Manfred Gerstenfeld
Published: 28.07.11, 18:01
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61. Eva H / 15 War is always wrong. Always
Eaglebeak ,   Left Coast, USA   (07.29.11)
So, was it wrong to stand up against Hitler? War is a terrible thing and to be avoided when possible but there are worse things than war. Some things are worth fighting for. I'm sorry for Norway's loss.
62. youth camp at Utøya
iselin ,   Oslo, Norway   (07.29.11)
If the camp at Utøya had been run by a religious sect, no one in the US (not even Glenn Beck) or anywhere else would have uttered a peep, but since it was run by a political party as demonized as the Social Democrats (Socialists!!!), he can a lot of press by comparing it with Hitler youth. That's a really good sound bite and rouses lots of rabble. Norway is a non-religious country (in spite of having a state church), so summer camps are run under other auspices, such as scouting, political parties and sports.
63. Norway's LOVE is not for everyone like Eva says. Cause
aaa ,   israel   (07.29.11)
it seems Norway hates both the Jews and Israel. They only think what is the next step they can take against Israel. If you were truly love everyone and wanted to "spread the love and proximity", you would find a positive and constructive way to talk with the Israelis and create a dialog with them. But as I said, you don't really love everyone. It's just a nice slogan. I'm sorry for the killings but don't be a hypocrite. If there's one thing we the Israelis don't appreciate is hypocrites.
64. To Mehrdad
Kent ,   Norway   (07.29.11)
You obviously hate Norway so much that you cannot even acknowledge that we, along with the Jewish people, were victims of Nazi-Germany's brutalities and that our post-war leaders spent the war time period in concentration camps. After 1948 Norway was a staunch ally of the Israel of Ben-Gurion and Dayan. But at some point in the 1970s or early 1980s we lost you or you lost us. Search for the reasons instead of resorting to cheap polemic.
65. I want to send my LOVE to the people of Norway!
Shalom ,   Israel   (07.29.11)
we are here for you on those hard days you are going through. I hope you find a way to stay united and love each other although there are different views to different people...
66. What Norway Wishes On The Jews It Got.
NOT PC   (07.29.11)
G-d works in wonderful ways!
67. To #12 ISRAEL Where they all belong
Answer   (07.29.11)
and will be there whether they want to or not.
68. @62:
mehrdad ,   germany   (07.29.11)
what brings a kid to say that his first thought was that the killers rampage was a often preformanced "simulation" of IDF killing arabs? what? his own thoughts or leftist antisemtic brainwashing in such camps! although the results of such a leftist camp are not comparable with the HJ camps, the methodic is the same: brainwashing little kids through a political agenda mixed up with games. thats exactly what HJ did.
69. Love
Eva H ,   Oslo, Norway   (07.29.11)
I have now read most of the comments and I do see that a lot of people are hurting with us, and I can feel the symphaty. I also feel a great sadness in my heart for all the people you have lost both now in and in both past and recent history. I still feel war is the wrong solution. There was a comment on the second world war, which was also started by a maniac - which we probably all are greatful for was fought down - but remember, it started with a mad mans dream of conquering the world and monoculture - that some are superior to others. I know the situation in Israel is tough - and I shall not claim to know how to work that out - but I know that if you have love in your heart, you feel better. As someone said - One terrorist is not their country. Again - thank you for all the good thoughts that are also here !
70. our thoughts and prayers are with norway...
Tal ,   Israel   (07.29.11)
May those children RIP
71. #'s 2&46 Of Shem and Ham and their ites
Kerwood Derby ,   Frostbite Falls, MN   (07.29.11)
If one were to discern the mothers of Issac and Ishmael, one should find that Issac is in line with Shem and thus those who curse his children are anti-Shemites (Semite is the de-Hebraized form of Shemite, a recursive instance of anti-Shemitism by the "enlightened"). The other is in line with Ham and thus are mad-asses of men called Hamites for whom the victims were being indoctrinated to hate the Jews.
72. A poem for the author....
Mikesailor ,   Miami, FL   (07.29.11)
He sees them here He sees them there He sees antisemites everywhere He sees them in heaven He sees them in hell This vigilant Jewish pimpernel. Does this broken record ever stop?
73. A poem for the author and fellow travelers...
Mikesailor ,   Miami, FL   (07.30.11)
He sees them here He sees them there Antisemites everywhere He sees them in heaven He sees them in hell This vigilant Jewish pimpernel I can understand wishing to sell books, but does this broken record ever stop?
74. Norway Vikings - long history of Rape, Plllage, Murder
Abraham ben Jacob ,   Canada   (07.30.11)
These Norway Vikings used to swarm parts of Europe and they destroyed, killed, and plundered other Euro people.
75. Norway hyppocrates in OCCUPATION of native "SAMMI" land
Abraham ben Jacob ,   Canada   (07.30.11)
Norweigan OCCUPATION - Norway stole the land they NOW OCCUPY from the original inhabitants called the 'Sammi", also called the "Lapps".
76. Norway be strong! I hope 1 terrorist can only unite you
we love you ,   Israel   (07.30.11)
as you see the case with us. 3,000 terrorists can only divide you. that's sad but true. I hope you'll get you're peaceful country back, and expiriance better days in the future.
77. #72 He might be wrong about others..
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (07.30.11)
..but he's right about you.. Proof.. you're rhyming your hate
78. #63
Beary White ,   Norway   (07.30.11)
You hav to understand our recent government is buildt up with leftist and ultraleftist. They intensly hate Israel, at the same time they say they do not. The main thing is hat member of government has been in a pro-hamass rally, and as the only country has recognized the hamas-influented PA's. Hippocracy is a definition of these actions... Similar, if a boy LOVES the body of a pretty woman, but hates what she is expressing, it is hippocrazy if he says I love you..... (todays lesson!!)
79. Dr Gerstenfeld ,
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (07.30.11)
You wrote that extreme right parties toke measures against some of their members for "agreeing" or "supporting" this terrorist . It's not "in" to support such acts , but did they take those measures out of deep belief , or opportunism ? That's the question
80. TO NORWEGIANS
LAWRENCE ,   Zefat (Safed)   (07.30.11)
Be careful what you wish for.The bad you wish for us fell upon your heads."I WILL CURSE THOSE WHO CURSE YOU..."
81. I must point out
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (07.30.11)
That Norway, unfortunately, has only received a small sample of what Israel has been undergoing for more than 60 years
82. @78:
mehrdad ,   germany   (07.30.11)
you blame your government for the antisemtism in your country. last time i checkd it norway was a democracy. and therefore you people are the ones who vote for this extremists since decades. i came from iran. i have the right to say that the antisemitic actions of my country now are the results of a dictatorship without any legitimation from the iranian people. you have a democracy. if you blame your government you blame sourself.
83. It's not fair!!!!!
~~Lengualima~~ ,   I   (07.30.11)
It's not fair to want to put all the Norwegians in the same boat. 1. The two terrorist attacks against the Norwegians are reprehensible, and in no way be justified. Minus the people of Israel for over 60 years has been the victim of the terrorists. 2. The fact that a government or part of its population feel Judeophobia compulsive does not entitle us to blame all Norwegians as guilty. 3. In every society there anti-Semitism, two thousand years of history is living proof of that. 4. If Jews born in Israel, who know our history, speak openly about destroying Israel as we expect a Norwegian; it safer not know our story does not do the same. 5. In every society there are black sheep, but there are also people who feel love and affection for Israel to put them all in the same bag is not fair. 6. There are many cases of people who risked their lives or lost their careers to save Jews is not fair to judge and sentence them as guilty.
84. # 64 we lost you or you lost us
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (07.30.11)
Kent ! No No,you, Norway,embraced the muslim moon,giving aid and support to the enemies of Israel,a minister in your parlament,wishes that Norway attack Israel in order to help hamas,a bloody terrorist organization,that murders men women and children,hamas did everything it could to derail the oslo talks,and succeeded,Israel offered the palestinians excellent deals,which were rejected by the palestinians because they believe that with the help of nations like Norway,they will get Tel Aviv,Ramat Gan, Haifa,what is there in Islam thats so attractive to the scandinavians ?.
85. to #84
Beary White ,   Norway   (07.31.11)
The main followers to Islam in Norway are the leftist. The female leftists do believe they can change the mind of every islam male if they gets close enough.. Just like the young boy believing they could make a lesbian girl hetero if they just got the chance..And the leftis males follow the girls as braindead zombies. The rest of us , centers and rights has another way of thinking, seeing the danger of islam changing the demography in contries they multiplies in, unequal compared to hindus, buddhis, jewish whatever other religions. In addition, the tragedy in Norway as is, that the leftist controls media and state radio/TV, Then from -68 the norwegian people has been brainwashed by the media, and the lefist are not able or willingly to listen to critics, and it has become "political correct to hate USA and Israel". Anyone who utter differently will be immediately picked on. You have to be strong in Norway to front this kind of shit.
86. Norwegian ambassador should be sent home
DavidM ,   USA   (07.31.11)
The Norwegian ambassador should be sent home. His using the tragedy in Norway as an excuse to blame Israel for terrorism is appalling. If the Norwegian government wishes to keep this man on the government payroll that's their business. No government however is obligated to host an ambassador who excuses violence against its own citizens.
87. this issue is between anti-Israel EU rightist and Leftist
hate-mongers!   (07.31.11)
Anti-Israel European Leftist Crusaders and Jihadists Moslems join together in a youth camp to teach their children hatred against Jews and turn them into murderers. Anti-Israel European rightists Crusaders are angery at their Leftists Crusader brothers for joining Moslems. They think they should go against both Moslems and Jews. Therefore, this killiing is just an ideological problem betweent European rightist and Leftist hate-mongers, deciding whom they should kill and murder and hate. Europeans have been just like Moslems for the last 2000 years. hate-mongering people whose only expertise is on finding different ways to justify killing and murder of Jews and others. Even if they can't find a reason to blame Jews and Isreal, they will always make up strange hateful stories which can make them justify bloodshed. its their culture and there is nothing we can do about it. Before it was lies about Jews killing Christian children and eating their blood, now its modern things. May God save us from the followers of the religions of Peace and Love !!, Moslems and Christians (now turned Leftists, but with the same hateful ideology) and let them shower each other with this beautiful Peace and LOve they have been throwing at the Jewish people for the last 2000 years. I don't mind if they kill each other with Peace and Love. Just leave other people out of your ideology
88. To Mr. Gerstenfeld. Good Article.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (07.31.11)
Quote :” If one points a finger at others for Breivik’s acts, why are those who recognize Hamas not considered accessories to Hamas’ genocidal plans?” You are making here a good point, Mr. Gerstenfeld.
89. To Dovid #4. However Painful.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (07.31.11)
Quote :" the worldview of al-Qaeda, which is shared globally by at least 150 million Muslims". You abhor this statement of Mr.Gerstenfeld. You don’t like this fact to be revealed to the broader world. Why ? Facts SHOULD be revealed, for the good of the world. By hiding the truth, the world will NOT become a better place. So, truth SHOULD be told however painful it may be.
90. To Eva #15. On Planet Earth.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (07.31.11)
You say :” Has all the attacks on Israel turned their people into this ?” Under the ‘attacks on Israel’ one can include the anti-Israel stance of the Norwegian Left. In spite of those attacks, many Jewish tb-ers of YNET have expressed their sympathy with the Norwegian people. This is the greatness of the Jewish People, that although being attacked (by the Norwegian Left) they sympathise with the Norwegian people. You write :” War is always wrong.” For the past five thousand years there were wars on planet Earth, at present there are wars going-on on planet Earth, and so one can safely conclude that there will be wars in the coming thousands of years. It is simple logic. You may not like wars, that is a different thing. But war happens. That is a fact of life.
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