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Ahmadinejad: Holocaust made up to embarrass Germany
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Published: 28.08.06, 16:43
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61. # 5 # 6 # 9
Faisal ,   Hyderabad India   (08.28.06)
Its true that Jews have contributed alot to science , medicine , law , philosophy , charity too. And here one more thing many have forgetted the first Plane Hijacking of a Syrian airlines was also did by Israelis in 1954. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_hijacking and first blowing of bomb in civilians population was also done by Israelis. January 12, 1947 when the Stern Gang drove a truckload of explosives into a British police station in Haifa, Palestine, killing 4 and injuring 140. The Stern Gang (a pro-fascist splinter group led by Avraham Stern that broke away from the right-wing Zionist paramilitary Irgun) would soon use truck and car bombs to kill Palestinians as well: a creative atrocity immediately reciprocated by British deserters fighting on the side of Palestinian nationalists. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=10079 When Israeli did like this it was fight for Independence and when Palestinians are doing the same to liberate their lands there are Terrorists . nice double standards . For me both arabs and Israelis are the same ...
62. # 11
Faisal ,   Hyderabad India   (08.28.06)
Jane i think u really dont know the history , better u read abt Aliyah once again , then u will understand . Between 1882 and 1903, approximately 35,000 Jews immigrated to Palestine, then a province of the Ottoman Empire. Between 1904 and 1914, 40,000 Jews immigrated mainly from Russia to Palestine following pogroms and outbreaks of anti-semitism in that country. Between 1919 and 1923, 40,000 Jews, mainly from Eastern Europe arrived in the wake of: The First World War; the British conquest of Palestine Between 1924 and 1929, 82,000 Jews arrived, many as a result of anti-semitism in Poland and Hungary. Between 1929 and 1939, with the rise of Nazism in Germany, a new wave of 250,000 immigrants arrived, the majority of these, 174,000, arrived between 1933-1936, after which increasing restrictions on immigration by the British made immigration clandestine and illegal In the course of Operation Magic Carpet (1949-1950), the entire community of Yemenite Jews (about 49,000) emigrated to Israel.In three and a half years, the Jewish population of Israel had doubled, inflated by nearly 700,000 immigrants, which was one of the causes of the austerity. 114,000 Jews came from Iraq in 1951 in Operation Ezra and Nehemiah. Over 30,000 Iranian Jews immigrated to Israel following the Islamic Revolution The massive airlift known as Operation Moses began to bring Ethiopian Jews to Israel on November 18 1985 and ended on January 5. During those six weeks, some 6,500-8,000 Ethiopian Jews were flown from Sudan to Israel. In 1991, Operation Solomon was launched to rescue the Beta Israel Jews of Ethiopia. In one day, May 24, 34 aircraft landed at Addis Ababa and brought 14,325 Jews from Ethiopia to Israel. Since the mid 1990s, there has been a steady stream of South African Jews, American Jews, and French Jews who have either made aliyah, or purchased property in Israel for potential future immigration. Specifically, many French Jews have purchased homes in Israel as insurance due to the rising rate of anti-Semitism in France in recent years. More than 10,000 Jews from Argentina immigrated to Israel since 2000, joining the thousands of previous olim already there In the period 2000–2005, 11,148 Jews made Aliyah from France. Including a 35-year high in 2005, with 3,300 immigrants. There are approximately 110,000 North American immigrants in Israel http://www.answers.com/topic/aliyah..... May be more will come if u dream for greater Israel . by doing more occupation . Check again are these all jews came from Arab countries
63. 53
(08.28.06)
Have you not read all the history facts posted here before your ignorant post? You sound like a broken record. Terrorized Arab villages? ??? There ae hundreds of Arab villages in Israel where Arab-Israelis live,work, and have a normal life. There are over a million Arabs who live in towns and villages all across Israel. They have representation in the Israeli governement, where they see fit to criticize Israel and to sometimes make pro-terrorist comments. They're still there, not a head shorter,walking the streets as free people that they are, living in a democratic state. The ones who ran away are now calling themselves"Palestinians". (an invention that dates back to the seventies) Cut your crap, will you? no one here believes you, except maybe your friend Fadi. You're both on the wrong site here. Your propaganda does not work here, you're wasting it on deaf ears. Just remember: ISRAEL IS THE HISTORIC HOMELAND OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE, AND ISRAEL WILL PREVAIL! So find yourself some productive new hobby or interest rather than spew your poison here. This goes for ignorant Fadi as well.
64. 55 all the power to you
(08.28.06)
More European should speak up the way you did.
65. #17 Jonathan - Al Jazeera
Robby ,   San Jose, USA   (08.28.06)
FYI - I've written Al Jazeera asking them to add a "talkback" - they have never responded. I have gotten responses from specific "journalists" about extremely one-sides reports, but they ALWAYS start off with name calling. When I point them at the Al Jazeera "code of ethics" they usually discontinue communicating with me. I guess they just aren't ready to explore more then one side of an issue.
66. Hani - are you for real
Robby ,   San Jose, USA   (08.28.06)
"Nobody expects Muslims to congregate in Saudi Arabia". What is your point? Would you like the rest of the world to go by "Muslim country standards"? Should we all move our education systems back 10 steps? Should we all execute adulterers and homosexuals? Should we let our countries be run by dictatorial, uneducated barbarians? If you're answers are yes then I suggest you head off to Saudia and enyoy!
67. Iran´s president should study more history
Lars ,   Finalnd   (08.28.06)
If you read well-informed historians, Natzis killed Gypsies, Polish, Ukrainians and russian partisans and many more nationalities. But Nazies were novices. But holocaust was real. There were a lots of witnesses bot Jews and Natzis. If we really want to speak about truly holocaust, we should not forgot Lenin´s and especially Stalin´s witch-hunts, where was killed at least 5 million maybe 10 million humans. These people were wrong nationality or social class as communists said. Khmers were more effectife in Cambodi with their concentration camps. Today with atomic weapons it will be easier to get rid of "wrong people". Ahmadinejad shoul read historybooks better or shut his mouth. He is puting to shame his beautiful country. He should prefer not show his endless ignorance. His orthodoxy is a narrow view to explain Islam or prefer transparent try to think of an excuse to keep in power. What would Iran be without oil? And there will be time, when the world does not need arab oil any more and oilcountries will fall back to their powerty and ignorance if these countries does not develope something called modern knowledgesociety. Maybe we Europeans really have better to send back all Arabs and Muslims from Europe. They pick up the fruits of western culture, but what bonus our societies get? The Jews have themselves determined their own future when they have moved back to Israel. There are still many wery old Jewish communities in Europe, whitch are much older than those of Islamic ones. Fadi do not understand that freedom means that you can settle where you want. We are not (land)slaves anymore. The more I read these writings from arabs the less I can respect their fine culture. :( I must have mistaken !
68. #53...spoken like a true idiot...
DR ,   Florida, USA   (08.28.06)
It's sad that you actually believe that Israelis will one day pick up and leave. They are home whether you like it or not and they are staying forever. The arab world needs to accept the fact and move on. The ME could be an oasis in the world, but Muslims just don't want that to happen. Palestinians were offered peace many times, and rejected it every time. Oh well...
69. What kind of people...
Ergis Burgis ,   Catawba, IS   (08.28.06)
set somebody like that up as their "front man"? Sure, they will be responsible stewards of nuclear technology. By the way, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.....never happened! The Japanese staged the whole thing to embarass America and keep Iran from getting nuclear energy. Okay....now where did I leave my opium pipe?
70. #52 bauer hans
fadi ,   lebanon   (08.28.06)
israel pulled out from 3rd country status cause of the 5 billion dollars it receives each year from stupids like you in the US, germany and other places.... So wake up
71. ORIGINAL TEXT OF THE LETTER
Jan ,   San Fransisco, USA   (08.28.06)
http://www.president.ir/eng/ahmadinejad/cronicnews/1385/06/06/index-e.htm#b1 Not as beefed up as the Article.... It ends with: "Our two nations and governments, next to each other, will be able to play a fundamental role in promoting peace, security, progress, and human dignity at the scale of two countries and internationally."
72.  Text of Ahmadinejad's CHRISTMAS Message:
Jan ,   San Francisco, USA   (08.28.06)
"President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad felicitated Pope Benedict XVI on the birth anniversary of the Great Prophet Jesus Christ who is the messenger of love, friendship, justice and spirituality. In a message to the leader of the world's Roman Catholics as well as heads of Christian states, he noted that the present world which is filled with violence, discrimination and injustice is in dire need of guidelines of the divine prophets more than any other time in the history. He said efforts to revive basic spiritual values of life will definitely lead to justice, equality and dignity for all human beings. The Iranian president further wished that the new Christian year will bring peace and tranquility to the international community on the basis of justice and spirituality." You can find the text here: http://www.president.ir/eng/ahmadinejad/cronicnews/1384/10/03/index-e.htm#b1 Dec-24-2005 Hmmm.....
73. re 53
bauer hans ,   stuttgart germany   (08.28.06)
One day the Jews will realize that their best interest lies in going back to their roots: so wat is the problem hani ,they dit it , they where long enough the scapegoat of the world now it is israel. nothing has changed under the sky.at least they can hit back
74. #53 and Robby, San Jose
Ryan ,   Calgary, Canada   (08.28.06)
Hadi -- just as you are an artificial Canadian, Robby, I endorse the idea of going back to there roots, cause Israel is jewish roots but we should start with Hani, I am pretty sure her family doesn't originate more than one generation in Canada, so where are her roots?
75. 61
(08.28.06)
You are misinformed. First of all those are NOT Arab lands. Israel has never been an Arab state under any name. Jews have always lived there. The Kingdom of Israel existed in Israel for over 3000 years. The Jews have obtained just a fraction of what was greater Israel in 1948. This was done legally and through a United Nations Resolution. Israel is a soverign state who is a member of the United Nations as opposed to those barbaric terrorists who aim to kill as many Israeli innocent civilians as they can. Get your facts straight!
76. To 61 and 62
Shai ,   Israel   (08.28.06)
The article said it was the first act of air piracy, not plane hijacking, and it didn't provide the details fo why the Syrian airliner was grounded. Nor did it point out that nobody was killed, that the plane was not ransomed, nor that many countries bring down airliners from countries who cross into their airspace, especially those of enemy countries. Regarding your second point, what you ignore is that Israel and Palestinians were in peace negotiations to settle the problem. Jews, nor Arabs, were in peace negotiations with the British, who were working overtime to undermine Jewish settlement in Israel prior to independence. The British were attacking Jewish settlement in the very "Homeland" the British promised the Jews in the Balfour Declaration. Thus, not only are Arabs and Israelis not the same and that therefore there is no double standard because there is no parity between how they behave - there is a vast difference - so different in fact that the very article you pointed out about hijacking noted that Palestinians were responsible for many of them. "In 1969 there were 82 recorded hijack attempts worldwide, more than twice the total attempts for the whole period 1947-67. Most were Palestinians using hijacks as a political weapon to publicise their cause and to force the Israeli government to release Palestinian prisoners from jail." Regarding your last comment to Jane, maybe you should read the articles you cite, especially those of " Pre-Zionist Aliyah (1200-1882)" and the few before. It's clear then that any dearth of Jews in Israel is a result of "subsequent expulsion by the Muslims in 1291" and in fact, it is the Muslims who are occupiers and not the Jews. See http://www.israel-mfa.gov.il/MFA/Archive/Communiques/1998/POPULATION%20OF%20ISRAEL-%20GENERAL%20TRENDS%20AND%20INDICATOR for better information on Israel's population and if you want proof that there are more Jews of oriental origin, you'll find it at http://www1.cbs.gov.il/reader/shnatonenew.htm
77. Ahmadidntjihad
FARK.COM ,   asdfasdf   (08.29.06)
78. Fadi - Jealousy
Robby ,   San Jose, USA   (08.29.06)
Perhaps you should spend less time and energy being jealous of Israel and start creating a better society for yourself. Let me guess - 1.2 billion Arabs can't create decent schools because of Israel, right? There are no inventions coming from the Arab countries because of Israel, right? Arabs have to send their children to Western universities if they want to succeed because of Israel, right? When a wealthy Arab needs an important operation they go to the Western world, and that is Israel's fault as well, right? FIX YOUR OWN PROBLEMS AND QUIT BLAMING OTHERS!
79. 70, busy fadi
(08.29.06)
You're grasping, man, I guess all those informative and true postings finally put you in your place, at least temporarily, so now you've changed your tune: now it's the US money that's bothering you. I got news for you: Israel could never be a third world country with or without foreign money. Too much brain power, you see, that is the difference. Its people are productive and advanced in all areas of science, medicine,culture, etc. Education is of the utmost importance in Israel. New inventions ,geared towards making life easier,more economical and healthier for the whole world surface daily. People there do not spend their days protesting on the streets, throwing stones and burning flags. They want to contribute, they are civilized. That is the major difference. Natalie, Toronto Canada
80. The Holocaust happened you dumbass
Johnson ,   USA   (08.29.06)
My grandfather helped liberate a death camp. Why would he lie? From what he described it was a NAZI production facility of designed for death.
81. I like Ahmadinejad.
Mark J Maloney ,   New Orleans, La   (08.29.06)
He's right, too. The allied nations should have provided land for the Jewish people. I, for one, would love to be neighbors with the Jews; they're brilliant and civilized people. Furthermore, as an American, I don't understand the condemnation of President Ahmadinejad for expressing his thoughts and opinions; this is a fundamental human right. I especially don't understand the threats of violence directed at Mr. Ahmadinejad. Such comments serve only to hinder the credebility of the author. Mark J Maloney
82. Very smart?
Andrew ,   Indiana, USA   (08.29.06)
Dear Fadi of Lebanon, 1) You willfully forget that there has been a continuous Jewish presence in the land around Jerusalem for 2000 years. 2) You Muslims complain endlessly about a very small population of Jews in a tiny sliver of land while the Arab world posesses vast lands and huge resources. All you would have to do is ignore them and get on with life and you'd be happy. Israel's land is small and nearly worthless. It costs you little. 3) The ENTIRE WORLD by UN resolution created a tiny home for Jews because people like the Mufti of Jerusalem along with Hitler had murdered them for 2000+ years. The tiny state of Israel was created so that the tiny group of Jews could have 1 place which was their own and defensible against attack. 4) The Jews live freely in the USA. If we wanted to "dump" them, why would that be? 5) Why is it that Mr. Ahmadinejad's mind is incapable of looking at the evidence regarding the Holocaust? The mass graves, mass gas chambers, mass ovens, video and photos of heaps of dead bodies, all of these exist. Can he not understand evidence? Science is not his understanding? 6) The "Jewish immigration" you so greatly fear and which you warn the USA about gave the USA the atomic bomb before anyone else in the world. The USA won World War II against Japan because of the atom bomb and the "Jewish science" that Hitler kicked out of Germany. Have you ever heard of that Jewish immigrant named Einstein? Your Mr. Ahmadinejad is now very happy because he might be able to make an atom bomb 60 or 70 years after the "infidels" figured out how to do it. Why is it that if Mr. Ahmadinjad's vision of civilization is so brilliant that it takes him 60 or 70 years longer than the "infidels" to achieve the same scientific progress? Even when the infidels post the plans for how to do it on the internet? Abdul quadeer Khan is regarded as this brilliant guy for having "given" Pakistan the "Muslim" bomb. Yet the plans for Mr. Khan's bomb can be found posted on the American internet. Mr. Khan's graduate education was in Europe and his job training by a Dutch firm. Again I have to ask, which part of Islamist vision of civilization created this great scientific feat of Dr. Khan? Was it not the "infidels" who taught him everything he knows? In summary, your Mr. Ahmadinejad proposes a vision of anti-civilization where war, war, and more war are all he has to offer. He wants Sunnis to fight Shias and Shias to fight Israelis and Christians to be in the cross fire. He loves war and the destruction of civilization and that is the only vision he presents. So if destruction of everyone and everything, so that poverty is achieved everywhere, is what you want, I expect you should keep supporting Mr. Ahmadinejad. He is happy to keep reducing your country to rubble in order to support his own career. His house is still standing. Lebanon, yours is ruins. Is your love for him so great that your house may be destroyed for his political career? His little servant, Hezbollah, started a war which its leader now regrets. Again, for a war your own leader regrets and for an ego in Persia, are you greatly content to have your home destroyed? And yet you support this man?
83. # 75
Faisal ,   Hyderabad India   (08.29.06)
First of all , u r trying to go in History now . Can u tell me which is the promised land ? the land given by God to Moses ? or at the time of Saul ? or at the time of David ? Or at the time of Solomon . or at the time of Romans ? or at the time of British . Or at the time of 1967 or 1973 or present ? UN passed many resolutions against Israel , why dont Israel respect those resolutions, Now u r talking abt terrorists killing innocent civilians , do u think that everytime shell or missle falls on Palestine and Lebonan didnt killed any innocent Civilians . that every time Israel is saying it was a big mistake .. when u talk abt facts , why dont u see urs facts too , and trying to be innocent that only Muslims are terrorists and Israel is defending its citizens . Come on man open urs eyes .. Israel is occupying lands of others and making life miserable for Palestinians, You accept this facts too ...
84. # 76 it was hijacking
Faisal ,   Hyderabad India   (08.29.06)
In 1948 Israel assassinated Count [Folke] Bernadotte, a Swedish citizen authorized by the U.N. to help reach a peaceful solution in Palestine. Israel committed a hijacking in 1954, seizing a Syrian civilian plane. Also in 1954 Israel engaged in subversive acts in Egypt, in the so-called Lavon scandal. [A reference to Israeli attacks on Western targets in Egypt. The strikes were made to appear as Egyptian terrorism in order to sour Egyptian-Western relations during sensitive negotiations on the withdrawal of British troops from the Suez Canal.] In 1973 Israel shot down a Libyan Boeing 727, causing the deaths of more than 100 civilian passengers . . February 2005, Israel hijacked a Libyan plane carrying a Syrian political delegation. These are some of the acts of terrorism committed by Israel. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1075212,00.html. These muslims only saved the jews at the time of Caliph Umar , At the time for crusades. and even the Ottaman empire let them inside jerusalem .. When Israel is getting all the aids from western world after its creation in 1948 and now its even a nuclear power state , Do u think that Palestinians can stand in front of so forceful army of Middle east , i know HIjacking is not a good thing , but what u want them to do when IDF is keep on killing them , terrorising them , using cluster bombs , missiles , shells and all sorts of weapons on them. Palestinians are a nation without Army , airforce or navy , so these peoples have turned towards HIjacking to get there prisoners out , coz no one in this world try to understand there sufferings , i dont justify this hijacking by any one , but still resistance will be different against a powerful Aided Enemy .
85. #3 very smart arguement??? I think not
Bob ,   Claremont USA   (08.29.06)
Fadi has it ever occured to you and others like you that you all come from the same area of the world and that you (meaning the arabs and jews) most likely share the same ancestory. I would like to explain my feelings on the whole Arab/Israeli deal. I would like to see the US pull all troops out of all the Middle Eastern countries and just sit off your shores and let you kill each other off. Then we can go back in and make nice with the last guys standing. See here's the deal you morons(once again meaning the Arabs and Jews) have been fighting for so long over nothing and everything that I begin to wonder if you know why you still hate each other. Inorance on both sides. Dumb. See, you have to come to the realization that the rest of the world doesn't want a Jewish state in their country and in the same token we do not care about the Arabs either. This whole war for oil thing is a joke. Don't fool yourself there guy if the US and Europe want your oil, land and anything else you have we can take it. Well hopefully you glean something out of this which should be the way most of the rest of the world views this whole situation. Believe it.
86. Isreal is wiped out
Don ,   US   (08.29.06)
and then what happens. Do the Palestinians turn the old nation of Irseal into the paradis that gaza has become. Then the rest of the world can pay for an even bigger welfare state.
87. 81
(08.29.06)
Do you like this guy? He breeds hatred and destruction. There is not a day gone by where he does not express his hatred for Israel, calling it a cancer, rotten tree etc. He calls for the destruction for the State of Israel on a daily basis. Basically he is a Hitler. He is calling for the anhillation of a country and a People. He just funded a terrorist war against Israel along with Syria. He hates your country the USA as well. It is too bad that you are misinformed. This man represents danger to the free world.
88. THE HOLLOCAUST HAPPENED
(08.29.06)
My father's side of the family all perished in the hollocaust. I never knew my paternal grandparents, uncles, aunts and cousins. My father and one cousin were the only ones who were able to escape. When I hear/read about hollocaust deniers, My blood boils. Who are those low-life deniers trying to kid here? Jews were not the only victims. This is not something that happened hundreds of years ago. There are still survivors. History cannot be changed. The hollocaust happened. Germany knows it happened. They wouldn't be paying damages for nothing all those years.
89. 3 So then fadi you approve of
freedom ,   canada   (08.29.06)
racial profiling in the USA. Palestine is a creation of the british mandate just like Iraq was. Do your research. There are two ways of looking at it, historically and in terms of possession. In both way Israelis should own all of Israel proper, the west bank, and even gaza would seem to have a stronger claim from the Israelis. Perhaps, Jordan is the historical place where at least some Palestinians can truly call the place home. Just a thought, I will do further research on this as palestinians from my reading are not philistines. So Im not sure where your claim of palestinians owning the area comes from. Have a nice day.
90. 53 Another Canadian, another disappointment.
freedom ,   canada   (08.29.06)
You can look at my post re: Israel.. We can talk judea and samaria, and palestinians sure are not philistines. Just a question, are you really canadian??? Man, if you are I really have to get working on this freedom thing in the country.
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