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Time to talk peace
Shulamit Aloni
Published: 24.09.06, 00:28
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61. Shulamit - may she live forever
Rustum ,   London, UK   (09.24.06)
Great words! it's just such a pity to see so many people damning her with those usual pathetic words such as "liberal" ! Had Shulamit been PM, just think how many lives, Moslem, Christian and Jewish would not have been wasted in purposeless wars.
62. Shulamit Aloni
mandy ,   Dublin   (09.24.06)
This article makes sense. You kill others they kill you, is this really hard to understand? I suppose the Israeli people enjoy living under threat for ever and ever. Give breathing space to others then and only then you will have security. You don't talk to Hamas now, you will have bombings on your streets as a result. If you are enjoying this then carry on. You go into Lebanon and have two of your soldiers captured, then Hizbullah attack you. Remember? The same goes with Ahmadinejad and others. In this new year, people of Israel should think of new leaders, new policies and new relations with other nations. It is not hard to see that the situation is getting worse and worse. Everybody has a right to exist. As long as you treat Palestinians like insects, you are in for a long nightmare of insecurity. Live and let live. By the way if my views aren't printed here I won't be surprised, since most of these talkbacks are so biased against the article.Shulamit Aloni has every chance to become prime minister in Israel. Give her a chance. Give peace a chance.Share what you have with your neighbours and you will see that nobody will be a threat to you. We are only humans and can have an opinion independent from those neo-conservatives in the US.
63. To all Shulamit Bashers...
Hani ,   Montreal, Canada   (09.24.06)
You are blood-thirsty psychopaths who want war for yourselves and your children. TRANSFER WILL NOT WORK. UNILATERLISM WILL NOT WORK AND HAS NOT WORKED Peace + netogiated settlement will work (And the only logical form is a bi-national, secular state POINT).
64. Great Analysis, unfortunately falls on deaf ears
Hani ,   Montreal, Canada   (09.24.06)
65. THIS OLD UGLY SICK WOMAN STILL TALKS ?
(09.24.06)
67. Peace Now Or Never.
Walldizo ,   damas   (09.24.06)
Mark,atkanta,USA, There is no tragedy except in your inner guilt.Jews tried to fool the world into accepting their claim to Palestine;a land without people for people without land, only to discover that nobody is buying this propaganda any more.The world is not naive to believe your nonsense on how you dictate peace on other nations, when you are the only party in a dire need for this peace.Its really amazing to know how much hatred Israelis carry towards humanity which legitimizes the need for a thorough psychoanalysis into the source of such hatred.For now , the best for Israel is to have peace. So grab it before you lose all.
68. End of arabs occuption of Erec Israel
Ephi   (09.24.06)
enough after 1200 years of occupation. I missed you my dear transfer
69. TIME FOR WW3!
(09.24.06)
and islam goes down
70. Truth; but not the whole truth
Ron ,   Chicago   (09.24.06)
I believe much of what she says is true though perhaps written in a propagandist way. But many other things are missing. Does she forget that the PLO, a Tunis-based group firmly refused to accept the existance of Israel and swore to remove it and bring back all the refugees? Plus many of the other fiercely anti-Israeli acts carried out by the Palestinians over the years? Up to today's rejection by Hamas of Israeli statehood? At some point, in all these arguments, one has to decide: does Israel, a country, created like all others by conquest, have a "right" to exist? If you say no, then where does this end? What other nations can be challenged by their history of removing "native" populations? How far back do you go in history? If you accept that Israel exists then the next question is one about protection from one's enemies.
71. Shulamit Aloni is a Liar.
Joel Meyers   (09.24.06)
The Palestinians who reject all offers of peace, then respond by blowing up Israeli woman and children and Shulamit takes there side. Are you insane! According to Shulamit's code, when Israelis are murdered, grievously injured, or bereaved by Arab terrorists, that does not count as an offense against human rights. When Arabs living under PLO or Hamas rule are lynched or otherwise maltreated, that does not count as an offense against human rights. Defense of human rights consists of a search for occasions to accuse Israel of violating the human rights of Arabs. The Palestinian terrorist groups, which now number about 12 actively operating in Israel, vociferously rejoice in the deaths of Israeli innocents, civilians who are targeted by the homicide bombers. These same terrorists reject any possibility of a peaceful resolution, and declare endless Jihad against Israel and against the West. Their war has as its goal the same one that Hitler's had. But they can couch their hate-filled genocidal rage in bogus terms of Palestinian political self-realization. We are dealing with total f-ing crazies here, so I say we don't cut them any freakin' slack. Let them bitch about the fence. Meanwhile, the whole pseudo-Palestinian-Arab society will be undergoing reality shock. An entire generation of Arabs has been taught that there is no such country as Israel. They Arabs thought most Jews would surrender to Arab terrorism exactly as Shulamit Aloni would. Just to let Shulamit know. The Kahane's are barred from the Knesset. While Arabs who support Arab terrorists are allowed in Israel's Knesset. Why doesn’t Shulamit decry the murder of innocent Israeli children and adults by Palestinian bombers, the murder of people observing Passover, the murder of families while asleep in their beds and the hell the surviving victims of these acts of Palestinian terror, who are permanently maimed and scarred physically and psychologically for the rest of their lives. What would any other country do if faces terrorist suicide bombers murdering its innocent civilians? If Shulamit is concerned about Arab children. Tell the Arabs to stop strapping bombs on their children for 72 virgins.
72. Shulamit just proved she's insane.
Eric Johnson   (09.24.06)
One only needs to ask, which side blows up buses full of children and which side targets ringleaders and masterminds. Palestinian children get shot, because Islam recommends this, their fed "martyr glory" stories, and their own grown MEN send them out in front of themselves!!!!! Its a well known FACT, even the rest of the (Blind in most cases) Palestinian Children sacrificed for Media sympathy. I think its absolutely tragic!!! If Israel ever put their children before their grown men, I would be horrified and disgusted. As a grown Man, I would put myself forward before my children. The Arabs are consumed with murder and hatred, and have attacked us with such barbarity that to call it war is to dignify an offensive composed almost entirely of war crimes. Yet Israel has not thrown there democratic values out the window in the name of security, as illustrated both by the elaborate judicial review imposed on security policies and by the freedom given Arab MKs to vilify Israel and side with its enemies who murder Israeli civilians. Most dramatically, we have sacrificed our own soldiers' lives to minimize civilian Palestinian casualties in ways that few, if any, democracies would under similar circumstances." What does Aloni think Israel should have done, seeing there civilians are being blown to bits by Palestinian suicide bombers, who are deliberately targeting elderly Holocaust survivors at Passover Seders, teenagers in pizza parlours, buses, disco's, cafe's and restaurants. Ten years after Oslo, there have been 1,500 Jews murdered and thousands maimed for life. Jews have similarly been burned by Arab suicide bombers in buses, like they were burned and gassed in the crematoria of Hitler. Arabs kill Jews not because they live in Israel, but because they are alive. Rivers of Jewish blood began flowing through the streets of Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa, Hebron, Netanyah, Rishon Lezion and so many more cities and towns in the Holy Land. In pizza shops, cafes, supermarkets, school basketball courts, buses, on the road and in private homes, young infants, children, teenagers, mothers, fathers, grandparents lay strewn in pools of their own blood, their bodies dismantled. Entire families have been destroyed in the blink of an eye. Five million Jews are living today on the front lines of one of the most vicious of modern battlefields. With their very attempt to live their daily lives in their own homeland, these Jews have put themselves and their children at risk of being murdered by human beings who have turned themselves into evil monsters. They have killed thousands, in order to achieve what Hamas has said in its charter to obliterate Israel. Or as Arafat once said! To eliminate and destroy Israel and create purely Palestinian state with no Jews in it. THE REAL ESSENSE OF ''MIDEAST'' CONFLICT'' Arabs want to destroy Israel, but Israel doesn't want to be destroyed. The obstacle to peace remains Arab terrorism perpetrated by Arabs to annihilate an Israel of any size. And the inability of Arabs to live side by side with Jews, or anyone else.
73. #63 Shulamitand you agree
Blood thirsty ,   USA   (09.24.06)
On the destruction of the Jewish of the state. We do not and that is why we are "Shulamit bashers" and "blood thirsty psycopaths".
74. Aloni does not believe Israel should defend itself.
Mike Goldblatt   (09.24.06)
Shulamit, you have repeatedly run Israel-bashing pieces, because Israel has the nerve to try to protect its civilians from the Palestinian terror barbarians who blow up buses, disco’s, shopping centers and otherwise carry out mass atrocities. We can show sympathy to Palestinians who were hurt because they were victims of their own leadership. This is the result of decades of brainwashing by the Palestinian media. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3554938&thesection=news&thesu March 3,04 ""The killing of Jews has become a form of worship that gets us close to God," said bomber Nabil Mas'oud in a pre-recorded videotape. "" The Pallies fear peace more than anything else. They'd rather rape and murder with the Islam's blessing. After raising several generations of murderous psychopaths, should we be surprised the Palestinians send their children to die for Virgins. If the Palestinians ever got there wish to expel all the Jews from Israel, Shulamit would probably be the last Jew forced to leave.". ...
75. YNET #66 incitement to murder
Rustum ,   London, UK   (09.24.06)
The message #66 is a clear incitement to hatred and murder. It clearly oversteps the boundaries of human decency and it is beyond me how YNET allowed that foul threat to be posted. Please remove.
76. #3
USA   (09.24.06)
It is apparent you do not know anything about the history of Israel and the Middle East conflict. I will bless those that bless Israel and curse those that curse Israel (Gen 12:3)
77. Move to France, lady
George ,   Atlanta, GA   (09.24.06)
That's where you seem to have your following. You will join the people who are in the perpetual search for anyone they can surrender to. This is the last thing Israel needs, though. Bon voyage.
78. Thank you Shulamit Aloni
Ray Hanania ,   Chicago, IL USA   (09.24.06)
I know how tough it is for Israelis who support peace and justice to standup and say good things in an environment of hatred and venom. Don't let the haters silence your importatn voice. We need to hear it more often. Ray Hanania www.hanania.com
79. Shulamit's extremist views
Maurice ,   Montreal, Canada   (09.24.06)
Dear Shulamit, in Stalin's USSR, which you are comparing Israel with, you would have been fast taken to a Siberian jail if you wrote a piece like this. So, clearly you are not accurate in your points. Some of your points are justified but by no means all of them. You are yourself a leftist extremist. What Israel needs is moderation. Extremists, both from the left and the right, are hurtful to Israel.
80. Rustrum Incitement?
ilana   (09.24.06)
If you were not such a Jew hater, you would see this entire article is incitement to hatred and murder of the Jewish people. I do not understand Ynet printing this. I do not understand why she is not jailed for treason. I do not understand people like you who obviously enjoy moking the Jews on their forum. Get a life. Hopefully one more informed than your present existence.
81. when will you see the reality? shula
Martin   (09.24.06)
I wonder why Shulamit cannot accept the fact that the Arabs strive to destroy Israel "piece by piece". More withdrawls means shrinking Israel -exactly what they want. The more we beg for peace the more violent they get. wake up shula!
82. Can't teach an old dog a new trick
Ilan ,   Ariel   (09.24.06)
Sums up Shulamit Aloni quite nicely although dogs are more loyal
83. The Arabs are occupying Eretz Yisrael
Chaya ,   Bat Yam   (09.24.06)
This is a woman who searches out an Arab place during Pesach where she can eat pitta! She is probably from the Erev Rav! She, for sure, is no Jew!
84. oy ,here she goes again!
oded   (09.24.06)
ther's no one to talk to ,seriously in the "palestinans".... can't you get it? it is the dillusinal leftys mantra-- return to negotations with the arabs. but the facts reamin simple and indisputible--- no one in the arab side is capable or willing to even recognize israel's right to live here in their midst. so what the f*** are you going to talk with the arabushim about? and do us all a favor-- leave us alone with your irrelevant opinons ,shulamit the padle!
85. you even did 9/11,criminals.
Lebaneese ,   Beirut   (09.24.06)
a new movie is out soon in the USA and will disclose how the mossad infiltrated alqaeda and (facilitated ) the whole deal of 9/11.. they were on the roof watching the result of their actions and chearing when the plans hit WTC ..the goverment locked them up and secretely sent them back to israel after one month of detention . americans will find out soon who did 9/11...you criminals .. those will become facts to the US ,even befor Bush leaves office ..
86. Response to #85 you even did 9/11,criminals
Joel   (09.24.06)
2 weeks ago, Bin Laden showed a video with some of the hijackers before 9/11. So your saying Bin Laden was working with Israel. Do you realize how stupid you sound? Then again, this coming from a people who believe strapping bombs on their children will bring them 72 virgins.
87. stop talking rubbish Aloni
noel ,   israel   (09.24.06)
When will the stupid stubborn blind left stop talking rubbish and recognise that, like Chamberlain failed with Hitler, it is impossible to appease or have a meaningful dialogue with Palestinian purveyors of hatred towards Jews and the State of Israel?
88. to #62 are you crazy or what?
jason white ,   afula,israel   (09.24.06)
Those two soldiers were wounded and injured on Israeli territory.They were on our side of the border when sandcrab terrorists fired missiles and killed three of our soldiers,wounded three others and kidnapped two of them. Next govt of our's will make the fields of leb run red with arab blood.And we will destroy the syrians and iranians. We will share what we have with our neighbors,but it will be weapons. Leave yourself out of the human race and the neo-conservatives are right and the liberals are always wrong.
89. To YNET
zov ,   rosenberg, tx   (09.25.06)
As an afterthought upon reading some responses: It is unarguable that Aloni's paper is a call to world capos to commit mass murder of Israel's jews. She is able to use your site to communicate her message for organizational purpose of uniting capos and informing them on a plan of action. The fact that she is using the evocative language does not remove your resposibility in observing your own rules regarding whimsically defined "excitements".. Please, remove this instruction for extermination of jewish people from the site and accept my moral protest against its publication. Sincerely, with no respect zov.
90. #67 you are funny, but i didnt laugh
(09.25.06)
coz its a fake book called bible, written by israelies, wow much more funny, but really its not funny from such idiot fool as you
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