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Haredi school rejects 'Sephardi' child
Zvi Alush
Published: 02.09.07, 10:09
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121. Avi
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.03.07)
here it has nothing to do with the same race . Racism is also and certainly when you categorise another person , who is not 100 % as you , has another origin , as an inferior . The same , "antisemite" is accepted as being directed against the Jews , even as there are non Jewish semites .
122. Bill
Jane   (09.03.07)
We are not perfect, Bill. However 60 years of fighting for survival on a daily basis against implacable enemies will ultimately effect us in some way. Still, we are the people who treat our enemy in our hospitals in the same manner in which we treat our own. We are the people who are willing to share the land and compromise, notwithstanding our deeply held beliefs as our rights in the land. We are the people who have time and time again tried for peace.
123. Kyle , how do you know this story is bogus ?
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.03.07)
Give me your source of information , a serious one . Or is it you who wants to tell , and lie , about this fact ? Before telling something stupid [ can you tell something else ? ] wait untill you have grown up , when you leave the kindergarten .
124. Abraham would have been rejected
Ariel Yochanan ,   London UK   (09.03.07)
Who knows? maybe Abraham Isaac and Jacob would have been barred from this institution because of their Mesopotamian features and inability to speak Yiddish.
125. Haredim influence by Zionist ideology
Jo Jo ,   UK   (09.03.07)
This all started with the founding father of the Zionist state who rejected the their Sephardic brothers from taking up positions of authority. If this kid gets into the Talmud Torah it will be like the victory that Peretz became a cabinet minister and Katsav the president.
126. 121 charles.
avi ,   nyc   (09.03.07)
When the unfortunate term "anti-semitism " was coined in the 19th century , virtualyl all the semites of Europe were Jews. Hence, the term semite and Jew were almost interchangeable. Nevertheless, since there are other semites, the appropriate term shuold be anti-Jewish, but traditions are hard to change. racism , by definition, axiomatically only applies to people of a different race. The "dagesh" is race. Hence the bigotry between ashkenazi and sephardim is by definition NOT RACISM. I understand that modern Hebrew does not have more than one term for the many different forms of bigotry, but English does . You wouldnt call the Troubles in Northern Island between catholics and protestant racial- would you? Or a civil war -racial?
127. Redefining racist
Ariel Yochanan ,   London UK   (09.03.07)
#118: Avi, if you don't like the term racists, then I guess we could call them "Ashkenazist's" Or you could use a more politically correct definition such as "Self perceived superior ethnic persons of a restricted social network!" However which way you slice it, it is still negative discrimination.
128. #120 My dear Rebecca, I do my own bidding now. But that
Omri Sharon ,   Israel   (09.03.07)
was cute. And no, I have no idea who these 2 are. Shall I take care of them for you?
129. Yeshua would truly have been rejected by this group.
(09.03.07)
130. Avi
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.03.07)
You can call it as you want , for most of the people it is called racism , be it correct or not , but everyone understands what is meant by it
131. Jane
bill ,   pennsylvania U.S.A.   (09.03.07)
I appreciate your candor, and your willingness to talk without calling names. It was quite refreshing for me! I understand your position. I am still amazed that some jews are thought of as second class citizens. I always thought all jews were the same. Silly me I suppose! lol
132. Jo Jo the UK goy
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.03.07)
Knows nothing about what he talks
133. 127 ariel
avi ,   nyc   (09.03.07)
I have no issue with the term "racist" wwhen it applies to racial discrimination. However as a londoner you obviously speak English and know that racism is a subset of bigotry and not a synonym. There are many forms of bigotry such as religious, ethnic, sexual, etc. to use the term racist for all is not only ignorent but also quite jejune.
134. #42 Here is your problem...
Mr. Fig ,   CA, USA   (09.03.07)
You view all Palestinians as your enemy. Perhaps you and the principal are not so different.
135. 132 Charles must have the last word
S Judah ,   London   (09.03.07)
Ah! glad to have got your attention. Jo Jo isn't totally, wrong, the founders of the state did look down on the Mizrahi Jews as primitive, didn’t respect their culture or religious traditions. Tens upon tens of thousands of Sephardim will attest to being dumped into non religious environments, dumped into poor housing environments and dumped into menial work. However the Haradim weren’t much better, they wanted to preserve the religious integrity of the Mizrahim but were always condescending of them. The Great Sephardic Sage Rabbi Attia the teacher of Rav Ovadia was never accepted as an equal or invited to join the top Rabbinical Council. The end result Shas. Don’t like them, well they led the fight back and if they cry foul and play the ethnic card, it was because the Mizrahim were subject to many fouls and ethnic discrimination. However enough said lets all move ahead together.
136. 128 My darling Omri, So good to hear from you directly...
Rivkah/Rebecca   (09.03.07)
Why don't you email me so we can get to know each other better other than through my letters to the beloved of Hashem? You will need someone to visit you in the jail unless you get pardoned or community service, which I hope for. I know you have a sardonic streak and like to make fun of me. If the comments were not from you, I do not know who they are from.
137. #133: Avi
Ariel Yochanan ,   London UK   (09.03.07)
I do get your point. I am not too sure of how familiar you are with English English as opposed to American English. Without wanting to sound too pedantic, the idiomatic expressions of of bigotry in their usage over here, tend to have their own subset of specific terms, rather than the occlusive synonym of racist or similar expressions. "Homophobe" and Gallophobe (anti French) being examples. In any case, as someone once said, "England and America are two great countries separated by the same language!" so I guess we can agree to disagree.
138. 137Ariel
avi ,   nyc   (09.04.07)
"subset of specific terms, rather than the occlusive synonym of racist or similar expressions. "Homophobe" and Gallophobe (anti French) being examples. " Then we are in agreement. YNET's use of the term "racism" as a catch-all is wrong. In America people use the race card to stifle discourse and I suppose the editors at YNET are trying the same thing.
139. Hey, #16!
Edi ,   Dallas, Texas, USA   (09.04.07)
Why does there have to be Sephardi Schools and Ashkenazi Schools to begin with? Why not just Schools. Period. End of story. Everyone should be welcomed equally into all schools. No, but wait! It's Israel, where EVERYONE has to feel Special and everyone can only feel Special by making someone else feel inferior! So, everyone divides themselves into Special Schools and sneers and talks dirty about all the rest who aren't part of their group! Jews are supposed to be the smartest people in the world?! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! What a joke!
140. S Judah
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.04.07)
I'm still waiting for a response to my last tb on this article concerning Ovadia Yossef .
141. Ariel and Avi
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.04.07)
We all know the exact meaning of the word racism . But in common use it is undertood in the way used in this article and by tb'ers .
142. Well, they can't blame Mapai for this
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (09.04.07)
143. More intermarriage needed....
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144. Charles - I did respond
S Judah ,   London   (09.04.07)
It was I believe not about R Yousef but about the atheist v religious justification of Israel and its implications on the Palistinian issues. But talkback did not print it. I shall resend if a similar opportunity presents itself.
145. #139
(09.04.07)
As disgusting as this incident is, you're wrong to think it only happens in Israel. Since you're from Texas, do you know anything about the hierarchy that exists in the African-American community? Have you ever heard of something known as "high yellow?" It refers to blacks who have lighter skin...a physical characteristic to be prized, along with straight hair, and which can carry with it a number of privileges such as employment opportunities and even desirability as a marriage partner. In fact, the same phenomena exists in Hispanic communities where fair skin and light hair gives people certain advantages. So while many of us may not like the fact that such things happen, it's not something that's solely endemic to Israel. In fact, there's greater acceptance of interracial marriage in Israel than there is in the U.S. even now.
146. charles141
avi ,   nyc   (09.04.07)
maybe in Israel the term is misused they way the article misuses it. The rest of the English speaking world does not misuse the word that way. Next thing Israeli historians will call the 30 years war a racist war. Or Pompey entered Jerusalem siding with one of the brothers in a racist war!
147. Avi
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.04.07)
The word racisme is not only an English word . You say misuse , i say adopt the general accepted meaning . Comparing this to the conflict in northern Ireland or the 30 years war , is simply not relevant . Those were "religion" wars .
148. Charles uses the racism label selectively
JoJo short for Josef ,   UK   (09.04.07)
I will agree that I am not well versed in this matter, but tell you that I saw a documentary on the BBC in which the famous David Grossman identified this point, and I do believe it is a well know and documented fact that the Sephardim were and are relegated by their Ashkenazi superiors. I’m not quite sure how qualified you are actually.
149. S Judah
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.04.07)
It was a tb on : ovadia Yossef , i was refering to biblical soldiers . If i send an answer , and it's not published , i do a second , third try . You know telling lies is sinning , and this just before the high days !
150. To anonymous # 145
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.04.07)
It is not because in other countries there is a form of segregation , that we have to accept it here . It's not because others are inhuman , that ashkenazi charidim have also to be so .
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