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Former chief Rabbi to Bush: Don't act against God’s will
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 10.01.08, 08:54
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61. R. Eliyahu's Letter Separates Sheep from Goats (2nd attempt)
Paqid 16 Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (01.10.08)
Yirei ha-Sheim,* Torah-lovers -- sheep, recognize and revere ha-Sheim's Torah underlying R. Eliyahu's remarks and R. Eliyahu's resulting authority. Ishmaelites, Edomites and other goyim misojudaics -- goats, impugn R. Eliyahu. Impugning is the only thing the goyim misojudaics are good at. BTW, the Hebrew term for Impugner is Satan. * Yirei ha-Sheim = Reverers of the Name, Hellenized to "G*od-fearers" PS: the most popular Israeli Jewish newspaper not publishing candlelighting times on Erev Shabbat and Erev Khag in its on-line counterpart is a disservice to Jewish readers and a disgrace to Israel. Even ha-Aretz publishes candlelighting times. Paqid Yirmeyahu IIsraeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews
62. Hiram,the phoenician!
Keren ,   Israel-SP   (01.10.08)
I am so happy that you pulled out your body from Israel! Now,the next step,as soon as you find another amusement than harrasing Jews at Internet,is to pull out your soul from our midst. Go,go!
63. hartley,in my opinion,you are a quite idiotic clown.
Keren ,   Israel-SP   (01.10.08)
You like jokes and porno.Did I tell you this already?If yes,it is time to repeat. Get out of the front door of the shuls to catch a man!Go to an elders house's front door ,or to the port-there you might be more successful!
64. To #43
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (01.10.08)
No, dear Keren, my tb was neither anti-Jewish, anti-Christian nor even anti-Muslim. It was basically anti-invented religions who flip and flop, depending on whatever's convenient and expedient at any moment in time, although some of my nearest and dearest relatives and friends are adherents to one or the other. Since a Jewish friend told me the little Moshe joke, he, of course, must be one of those self-hating Jews, right? He'll get a kick out of that. I find it amusing that to you I'm anti-Jewish and a few tb's later I'm anti-Christian. Where's Rashid? Maybe he would tell me that I'm anti-Muslim. I had no idea that I was as talented as to cover just about all the anit bases with the same sentences. To put it bluntly, I'm anti-BS, regardless of the source. As for Hiram, I don't have any idea what his personal habits are with regard to my or anyone else's rear end.
65. #61 Astounding Indeed!!
Daniel ,   New York   (01.10.08)
From his website: "Paqid Yirmәyahu Ben-Dawid, né Clint Van Nest (1943.05.29), is a former Baptist minister who attended Hampden DuBose Academy... "After a considerable period interacting with the local Jewish community, openly professing his positions as a follower of Ribi Yәhoshua as the Mashiakh and concealing nothing, Yirmәyahu was astounded when an Orthodox rabbi agreed to convert him — the first openly-professing follower of Ribi Yәhoshua since 333 C.E. to be legitimized in the same community — and authentic teachings — in which Ribi Yәhoshua and his original followers lived, taught and interacted: the mainstream and legitimate Orthodox Jewish community!"
66. paqid , the jesus freak "orthodox Jew"
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.10.08)
67. # 59 Madam, I have not missed your bad joke
Abel Shoni ,   France   (01.10.08)
but all such jokes deserve to be handled with great precaution. YOU put on the same level Jihadists and Christians, that is an amalgam, and all amalgams are dangerous, whatever your political label. YOU have not understood my point of view, for I would never considerate Christians as freaks,but your Moshe definitely yes, and with him 99% of Jewish people. You believe in God, I believe in God and in Jesus and in the Holy Spirit, so what ?
68. God's will
ron ,   san luis obispo, USA   (01.11.08)
How does the rabbi know God's will? Has God talked to him personally ablout his plans? We have enough people out there who are convinced that they know God's will. It is more appropriate to acknowledge that we have no certainty about God or his will.
69. #6 - Hiram, you must mean Islam, not politics & religion
Joe ,   Los Angeles, CA   (01.10.08)
The mix of politics and religion may be partially responsible for today's havoc in the Middle East, but Islam is responsible for it in its entirety. After all, when Israel was established in 1948, most Jewish religious groups were against its existence and very, very little to do with the state's creation. Nevertheless, Islam (in the guise of Arab Nationalism) waged war on Israel, created the Arab refugee problem, created the Jewish refugee problem, and, even to this day, is the source of Muslim on Muslim violence. As regards European countries "moving ahead" of Middle Eastern countries, how many of them achieved the following in 60 years: Israel, the 100th smallest country with less than 1/1000th of the world's population, was one of the very first nations to offer substantial aid and to send medical rescue missions to Islamic people in the stricken tsunami areas. Israel mobilized 150 doctors and relief teams as well as an 82-ton planeload of supplies for Sri Lanka. Israel also sent aid to India and Thailand. The scientific technology employed by NASA to beam video images from its Mars land-rover back to Earth was developed by two Israelis. An Israeli company designed a special parachute that will allow people to jump from high-rise buildings in case of emergency. An Israeli group of scientists from the Israel Institute of Technology developed methods to improve the efficiency of solar-hydrogen, non-polluting powered cars. Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer. An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in U.S. hospitals, 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes. Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with heart disease. The new device is synchronized with a camera that helps doctors diagnose a heart's mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors. Archaeologists in Israel and from all over the world have discovered and recovered amazing artifacts long neglected or desecrated by others who occupied this area. Israelis have developed very advanced hydrology technology that allows crops to grow in the most arid conditions. Israel has shared this technology with other peoples, including the Hopi Indians. The cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola, which has its largest development center in Israel. Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel. The Pentium MMX chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel. Voice mail technology was also developed in Israel. The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis. Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East. The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK. Twenty-four per cent of Israel's workforce holds university degrees, ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States and Holland and 12 per cent hold advanced degrees. The Middle East has been growing date palms for centuries. The average tree is about 18 -20 feet tall and yields about 38 pounds of dates a year. Israeli trees are now yielding about 400 pounds a year and are short enough to be harvested from the ground or a short ladder. When the U. S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya was bombed in 1998, Israeli rescue teams were on the scene within a day — and saved three victims from the rubble. Yeah, Hiram, European countries have really "moved ahead" of Israel...
70. RE: 49 Bible=Word of G-d?
Michael ,   Australia   (01.11.08)
You are mentioning that Jews should convert to Christianity to avoid Armageddon. Well, even though they should because it is the truth, Armageddon will still happen because Satan wants to destroy God's promise to keep the nation of Israel. That's why the U.N. recognises every nations defined capital city, except the city Jerusalem which is proven to belong to the Israelites. In ezekiel it says" I will gather all nations to Jerusalem to battle"
71. #64hartley-That's your problem:your "antis"are too idiotic!
Keren ,   Israel-SP   (01.11.08)
You should stick on jokes and in nothing else!
72. The Bible is a legal document giving tenure
marilyn   (01.11.08)
The legal document thousands of years old written in black and white gives tenure to the land; to Abraham's 'seed' as coming through the line of Isaac. The Koran challenges that right saying it comes through Ismael. This is a legal challenge to the sovereignty of Jehovah God. And it has become such an issue that it is a war between God and an usurper. Now in the west men have for years sworn in the courts of Law on this 'book' recognizing the legitimacy of its contents. And it is just recent that they have through multiculturalism given any credence to other 'books'. So this is now an issue God has also with the nations. This is leading up to a confrontation of the God of the universe with his created beings.
73. To #67
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (01.11.08)
It all comes down to the fact that one man's Jihadist is another man's freedom fighter and one Christian's neighbor, who happens to be Jewish, is another one's devious plotter to control the world, while one Jew's run-of-the-mill Christian living in the condo next door is another Jew's perverter of the ultimate truths, which god revealed only to Moses, and said Christian being hell-bent on converting Jews by force. Look for most strives in the world, and somewhere you'll find one religion or the other; not exactly a great recommendation for organized religions. For what it's worth and since I don't believe in self-defeating behavior, I don't hate anyone. When I get to the point of being bored with someone's asininely self-righteous ravings and rantings, I usually end up ignoring them. Anyone is free to do the same vis a vis moi. It will not hurt my feelings :-)
74. God's Plan
abraham ,   USA   (01.11.08)
Why not just work on creating a just society instead of an ethnicaly/religiously segregated/pure society? What if God's plan is for people to be able to honor Him by being kind to one another. Maybe God doesn't like it when those who pretend to follow His will talk bad about one another. In this instance, the Rabbi belittles the Ishmaelites whom God has promised to make into a great kingdom; just as he had promised the Israelites.
75. jewish state is eternal
nator   (01.11.08)
this rabbi must be reading something we don't have
76. G-D talks to Dubia too...
..he said so himself, he hears G-D's voice. so who are we to believe... I guess the place for all those hearing voices is mental hospital... the outfit is terrific by the way...
77. iam happy
not rabi ,   jerusalem   (01.11.08)
rabi rabi [no one can change god will ] but what is god will is not yours or mine
78. 49&79: Bible doesn't & cannot (Dt. 13.1-6) include your NT!
Paqid 16 Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (01.11.08)
79. 68 ha-Sheim's Will Compiled Over Millennia by Peer Review
Paqid 16 Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (01.11.08)
The result is called Torah. Just as, in science, "peer review" is by fellow scientists constrained by logic, not ignorant talkbackers; similarly, peer review relative to the Torah over the millennia is always solely by Torah-loving Jews constrained by logic, not ignorant talkbackers. PS: the most popular Israeli Jewish newspaper not publishing candlelighting times on Erev Shabbat and Erev Khag in its on-line counterpart is a disservice to Jewish readers and a disgrace to Israel. Even ha-Aretz publishes candlelighting times. Paqid Yirmeyahu IIsraeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews
80. Correction to my 78 "49&79" should have read "49&70"
Paqid 16 Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (01.11.08)
81. Bush against God's will
infidel ,   burning in hell   (01.11.08)
Bush has been accused by Jews, Muslims and American evangelicals of acting against God's will. Perhaps that means he's doing something right!
82. No. 35 Atheist
American Atheist   (01.11.08)
As a fellow atheist, I would suggest that you try to learn something about the reality of Israel. The majority of Israelis are NOT religious and the founders of Israel were primarily socialist Zionists whose disdain for religion was well-known. And don't use that "chosen people" accusation to bash Israel. All that means is that the Jews were chosen by God (assuming you believe in God, which I don't) to carry a message. It doesn't mean that Jews are superior, although that's what the anti-Semites always seem to accuse them of.
83. 78 - exactly what your rabbis did to israel's true prophets
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (01.11.08)
and, which is why god sent israel into exile, rejecting his word and his prophets. you do the math. and your # 79 post is one of the dumbest i have seen in a while. i didn't know your logic included historical revisionism.
84. I think M. Hartley was pointing out the deceptive nature of
John ,   USA   (01.11.08)
"symbolic or image worship", as if the real thing, and that there is responsibility on both sides. Interesting example is the golden calf. A very small minority of Israel went astray, but yet the WHOLE NATION WAS HELD ACCOUNTABLE. There are RATS everywhere. Be careful and be blessed this day.
85. 65 Yes, but 66 Ignorant Hatemongering By Athiest Edomite 3rd
Paqid 16 Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (01.11.08)
Like all respected historians of leading universities throughout the world and a number of eminent Orthodox rabbis (including those who converted me), Jews for Judaism ( has recognized (see The Da Vinci Code: A Jewish Perspective; that Ribi Yehoshua was a Torah teacher revered by thousands of Pharisee Jews who NEVER taught Christian doctrines, nor did his Netzarim followers ever accept Christian doctrines. Historians confirm that Christian doctrines were originally conceived by the rabid Hellenist "Reform Rabbi" of his day: Paul the Apostate -- decades after the death of Ribi Yehoshua, and for which the Netzarim excised Paul. Gentile Roman Hellenist idolators, who forcibly ousted and displaced the Netzarim in 135 C.E. (including displacing the 15th paqid with the first gentile bishop-pope, Markus), then gave birth to Christian doctrines. Finally, Constantine catapulted Christianity to the world stage by nationalizing the gentile, antinomian (i.e. anti-Torah), Hellenist Z*eus-syncretism idolatry as the "Holy" Roman Empire in 333 C.E. Eminent Orthodox rabbis agree with me that Halakhah REQUIRES Havdalah between the historical, Torah-teaching Ribi Yehoshua and, le-havdil, the antinomian (anti-Torah) Christian counterfeit and idol, J*esus. Those who blur Ribi Yehoshua with, le-havdil, J*esus the Christian-fabricated version and idol trample Halakhah. But, then, misojudaic atheist hate-mongers are neither dissuaded from Satan (i.e., impugning) nor persuaded to Torah by facts or logic. The phrase "atheist (le-havdil) Jew" is an oxymoron that contradicts the Torah that defines the Jew and distinguishes the Jew from the Edomite descendents of Eisau. Better to quote than to misrepresent and slander. I won't be posting over Shabbat like the atheists and other goyim. PS: the most popular Israeli Jewish newspaper not publishing candlelighting times on Erev Shabbat and Erev Khag in its on-line counterpart is a disservice to Jewish readers and a disgrace to Israel. Even ha-Aretz publishes candlelighting times. Paqid Yirmeyahu IIsraeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews
86. paqid,you have chutzpah!
Keren ,   Israel-SP   (01.11.08)
You insist in essaying to make your phatologic xtian propaganda using Ynet,don't you? Wait,wait, because your chutzpah will be cut in its root, and you will ultimately go back to where you belong to,but, probably ,not before serving in an Israeli prison for a while, to teach you what is chutzpah like!
87. Paqid , the Maschiach has still to come for TRUE Jews
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.11.08)
Or not ? and you consider this ribi yeshua as the maschiach , so you can't be Jewish , and certainly not Orthodox ? . I'm honest and correct , not deceiving people with false writings and web site .
88. Paqid , who was the "orthodox" rabbi who converted you
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.11.08)
Was it the same kind of Orthodox you claim to be ? And again , for TRUE jews , the Maschiach is still awaited . You are only a FAKE orthodox jew , but a true goy .
89. # 73 Which truth only revealed to Moses ?
90. Some on this site pretend to know
Abel Shoni ,   France   (01.11.08)
God's will. NO human being - not the chief Rabbi, not the Pope, not Paqid, not me of course - no one knows God's will. Those who pretend to know are downright liars. We know two things for sure : birth and death, the rest is personal conviction. Output of HUMAN brains cannot prove nor disprove God's existence. And so much better.
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